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  • June 26, 2008 at 10:57 AM #228969
    mixxalot
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    Cheap Labor and IT

    Agree- I too get tons of emails from Indian recruiters who are the worst to deal with and most jobs pay peanuts for senior level IT work. Best way is to become a niche expert in a specific high demand area that requires critical assistance and can bill high rates and do short contract work.

    Full time jobs are not stable or secure anymore with H-1B/L-1 and off shore cheap labor.

    Me- plan to go back from advanced degree in a field that cannot be off shored so easily or replaced by cheap labor. Maybe some type of finance or legal field that is not sent to India or China.

    I do not see C-level (CEO, CFO, SVP) executive level jobs being sent overseas anytime soon.

    June 26, 2008 at 3:51 PM #229031
    Anonymous
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    CEO, CFO and COO look out below:

    The IT guys should get together and come up with software to replace these greater fools. It is so easy to perfrom the measurements they use and actually do it much better and faster looking at much more data. Based on my MBA company evaluation class alone, I could whip pretty much any CEO with an excel spreadsheet, good floor managers and a Walmart styled distribution/logistics system. With the proper feedback from the market and internal sources, eliminating the CEO’s and improving stock price (which is the CEO target)would be pretty easy.

    Sincerely,
    Steveno

    June 26, 2008 at 3:51 PM #229150
    Anonymous
    Guest

    CEO, CFO and COO look out below:

    The IT guys should get together and come up with software to replace these greater fools. It is so easy to perfrom the measurements they use and actually do it much better and faster looking at much more data. Based on my MBA company evaluation class alone, I could whip pretty much any CEO with an excel spreadsheet, good floor managers and a Walmart styled distribution/logistics system. With the proper feedback from the market and internal sources, eliminating the CEO’s and improving stock price (which is the CEO target)would be pretty easy.

    Sincerely,
    Steveno

    June 26, 2008 at 3:51 PM #229157
    Anonymous
    Guest

    CEO, CFO and COO look out below:

    The IT guys should get together and come up with software to replace these greater fools. It is so easy to perfrom the measurements they use and actually do it much better and faster looking at much more data. Based on my MBA company evaluation class alone, I could whip pretty much any CEO with an excel spreadsheet, good floor managers and a Walmart styled distribution/logistics system. With the proper feedback from the market and internal sources, eliminating the CEO’s and improving stock price (which is the CEO target)would be pretty easy.

    Sincerely,
    Steveno

    June 26, 2008 at 3:51 PM #229192
    Anonymous
    Guest

    CEO, CFO and COO look out below:

    The IT guys should get together and come up with software to replace these greater fools. It is so easy to perfrom the measurements they use and actually do it much better and faster looking at much more data. Based on my MBA company evaluation class alone, I could whip pretty much any CEO with an excel spreadsheet, good floor managers and a Walmart styled distribution/logistics system. With the proper feedback from the market and internal sources, eliminating the CEO’s and improving stock price (which is the CEO target)would be pretty easy.

    Sincerely,
    Steveno

    June 26, 2008 at 3:51 PM #229208
    Anonymous
    Guest

    CEO, CFO and COO look out below:

    The IT guys should get together and come up with software to replace these greater fools. It is so easy to perfrom the measurements they use and actually do it much better and faster looking at much more data. Based on my MBA company evaluation class alone, I could whip pretty much any CEO with an excel spreadsheet, good floor managers and a Walmart styled distribution/logistics system. With the proper feedback from the market and internal sources, eliminating the CEO’s and improving stock price (which is the CEO target)would be pretty easy.

    Sincerely,
    Steveno

    June 26, 2008 at 5:26 PM #229061
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
    Participant

    Just had a Buddy get a Job at QCOM , he is leaving North L.A. Area and moving to S.D.,

    Anyway, just saw a thing on Yahoo news about Tech jobs being plentiful and ranking the top cities for Tech Job’s, S.D. came in 11th, L.A. was not even on the list
    Ventura did however come in 15th.

    Also O.C. was behind S.D. in both Job’s per Population and wages (S.D. was about 10K higher believe it or not).

    Oop’s this is the same article that started this thread,
    sorry for the redundant info …

    June 26, 2008 at 5:26 PM #229180
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
    Participant

    Just had a Buddy get a Job at QCOM , he is leaving North L.A. Area and moving to S.D.,

    Anyway, just saw a thing on Yahoo news about Tech jobs being plentiful and ranking the top cities for Tech Job’s, S.D. came in 11th, L.A. was not even on the list
    Ventura did however come in 15th.

    Also O.C. was behind S.D. in both Job’s per Population and wages (S.D. was about 10K higher believe it or not).

    Oop’s this is the same article that started this thread,
    sorry for the redundant info …

    June 26, 2008 at 5:26 PM #229187
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
    Participant

    Just had a Buddy get a Job at QCOM , he is leaving North L.A. Area and moving to S.D.,

    Anyway, just saw a thing on Yahoo news about Tech jobs being plentiful and ranking the top cities for Tech Job’s, S.D. came in 11th, L.A. was not even on the list
    Ventura did however come in 15th.

    Also O.C. was behind S.D. in both Job’s per Population and wages (S.D. was about 10K higher believe it or not).

    Oop’s this is the same article that started this thread,
    sorry for the redundant info …

    June 26, 2008 at 5:26 PM #229224
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
    Participant

    Just had a Buddy get a Job at QCOM , he is leaving North L.A. Area and moving to S.D.,

    Anyway, just saw a thing on Yahoo news about Tech jobs being plentiful and ranking the top cities for Tech Job’s, S.D. came in 11th, L.A. was not even on the list
    Ventura did however come in 15th.

    Also O.C. was behind S.D. in both Job’s per Population and wages (S.D. was about 10K higher believe it or not).

    Oop’s this is the same article that started this thread,
    sorry for the redundant info …

    June 26, 2008 at 5:26 PM #229237
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
    Participant

    Just had a Buddy get a Job at QCOM , he is leaving North L.A. Area and moving to S.D.,

    Anyway, just saw a thing on Yahoo news about Tech jobs being plentiful and ranking the top cities for Tech Job’s, S.D. came in 11th, L.A. was not even on the list
    Ventura did however come in 15th.

    Also O.C. was behind S.D. in both Job’s per Population and wages (S.D. was about 10K higher believe it or not).

    Oop’s this is the same article that started this thread,
    sorry for the redundant info …

    June 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM #229076
    fun4vnay2
    Participant

    I am an IT veteran and was on H1B working for a long time.

    Let me share my experience with H1B atleast w.r.t big companies like MSoft/CSCO/Intel as I worked for few of these big MNCs.

    Usually, I know companies do not like to hire H1Bs because of additonal baggage like H1B processing/GreenCard processing etc etc. So, whenever I get an offer from these companies, I am in a better position to negotiate as I know that they have come to offer me as last resort. So, I am always able to negotiate for more. Simple supply and demand right ?

    But, if you talk about people working for bodyshop companies like TCS/WIPRO/Indian-Consultancies they are definitely not paid that much. Saying it a modern day slavery would be a bit exaggeration though.
    Usually, big consultancy companies like TCS/WiPro they pay you less but small companies pay on hourly basis..
    Most of my friends are on H1B working for american companies ( not for bodyshoppers ) and their salaries are definitely a lot ($100Ks).
    But few of my companies doing independent projects through small bodyshopper companies are getting at an average of $60/hr. Not bad huh..

    I am not sure if the modern day slaves can earn this much!
    Mind it, these words are coming straight from the horse’s mouth.

    Honestly, for big american companies, hiring H1Bs is a very costly proposition but they have to do it. I am a living example as I have been hired few times at a premium or I just got lucky all the times??

    If you talk about L1 visa and offshoring, its a different story…..

    June 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM #229195
    fun4vnay2
    Participant

    I am an IT veteran and was on H1B working for a long time.

    Let me share my experience with H1B atleast w.r.t big companies like MSoft/CSCO/Intel as I worked for few of these big MNCs.

    Usually, I know companies do not like to hire H1Bs because of additonal baggage like H1B processing/GreenCard processing etc etc. So, whenever I get an offer from these companies, I am in a better position to negotiate as I know that they have come to offer me as last resort. So, I am always able to negotiate for more. Simple supply and demand right ?

    But, if you talk about people working for bodyshop companies like TCS/WIPRO/Indian-Consultancies they are definitely not paid that much. Saying it a modern day slavery would be a bit exaggeration though.
    Usually, big consultancy companies like TCS/WiPro they pay you less but small companies pay on hourly basis..
    Most of my friends are on H1B working for american companies ( not for bodyshoppers ) and their salaries are definitely a lot ($100Ks).
    But few of my companies doing independent projects through small bodyshopper companies are getting at an average of $60/hr. Not bad huh..

    I am not sure if the modern day slaves can earn this much!
    Mind it, these words are coming straight from the horse’s mouth.

    Honestly, for big american companies, hiring H1Bs is a very costly proposition but they have to do it. I am a living example as I have been hired few times at a premium or I just got lucky all the times??

    If you talk about L1 visa and offshoring, its a different story…..

    June 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM #229202
    fun4vnay2
    Participant

    I am an IT veteran and was on H1B working for a long time.

    Let me share my experience with H1B atleast w.r.t big companies like MSoft/CSCO/Intel as I worked for few of these big MNCs.

    Usually, I know companies do not like to hire H1Bs because of additonal baggage like H1B processing/GreenCard processing etc etc. So, whenever I get an offer from these companies, I am in a better position to negotiate as I know that they have come to offer me as last resort. So, I am always able to negotiate for more. Simple supply and demand right ?

    But, if you talk about people working for bodyshop companies like TCS/WIPRO/Indian-Consultancies they are definitely not paid that much. Saying it a modern day slavery would be a bit exaggeration though.
    Usually, big consultancy companies like TCS/WiPro they pay you less but small companies pay on hourly basis..
    Most of my friends are on H1B working for american companies ( not for bodyshoppers ) and their salaries are definitely a lot ($100Ks).
    But few of my companies doing independent projects through small bodyshopper companies are getting at an average of $60/hr. Not bad huh..

    I am not sure if the modern day slaves can earn this much!
    Mind it, these words are coming straight from the horse’s mouth.

    Honestly, for big american companies, hiring H1Bs is a very costly proposition but they have to do it. I am a living example as I have been hired few times at a premium or I just got lucky all the times??

    If you talk about L1 visa and offshoring, its a different story…..

    June 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM #229238
    fun4vnay2
    Participant

    I am an IT veteran and was on H1B working for a long time.

    Let me share my experience with H1B atleast w.r.t big companies like MSoft/CSCO/Intel as I worked for few of these big MNCs.

    Usually, I know companies do not like to hire H1Bs because of additonal baggage like H1B processing/GreenCard processing etc etc. So, whenever I get an offer from these companies, I am in a better position to negotiate as I know that they have come to offer me as last resort. So, I am always able to negotiate for more. Simple supply and demand right ?

    But, if you talk about people working for bodyshop companies like TCS/WIPRO/Indian-Consultancies they are definitely not paid that much. Saying it a modern day slavery would be a bit exaggeration though.
    Usually, big consultancy companies like TCS/WiPro they pay you less but small companies pay on hourly basis..
    Most of my friends are on H1B working for american companies ( not for bodyshoppers ) and their salaries are definitely a lot ($100Ks).
    But few of my companies doing independent projects through small bodyshopper companies are getting at an average of $60/hr. Not bad huh..

    I am not sure if the modern day slaves can earn this much!
    Mind it, these words are coming straight from the horse’s mouth.

    Honestly, for big american companies, hiring H1Bs is a very costly proposition but they have to do it. I am a living example as I have been hired few times at a premium or I just got lucky all the times??

    If you talk about L1 visa and offshoring, its a different story…..

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