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January 14, 2011 at 2:06 PM #654937January 14, 2011 at 2:08 PM #653825
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ParticipantBrian, When you go around carelessly using labels like “Redneck” and conflating whoever they supposedly are with evil, you are doing what Bush did…you are doing what every bigot from the beginning of time has done.
January 14, 2011 at 2:08 PM #653892ParticipantBrian, When you go around carelessly using labels like “Redneck” and conflating whoever they supposedly are with evil, you are doing what Bush did…you are doing what every bigot from the beginning of time has done.
January 14, 2011 at 2:08 PM #654478ParticipantBrian, When you go around carelessly using labels like “Redneck” and conflating whoever they supposedly are with evil, you are doing what Bush did…you are doing what every bigot from the beginning of time has done.
January 14, 2011 at 2:08 PM #654614ParticipantBrian, When you go around carelessly using labels like “Redneck” and conflating whoever they supposedly are with evil, you are doing what Bush did…you are doing what every bigot from the beginning of time has done.
January 14, 2011 at 2:08 PM #654942ParticipantBrian, When you go around carelessly using labels like “Redneck” and conflating whoever they supposedly are with evil, you are doing what Bush did…you are doing what every bigot from the beginning of time has done.
January 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM #653835Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]
Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.[/quote]Does that mean, as a white guy, that I have to stop bitching about “The Man” and how he’s keeping me down?[/quote]
lol… you have to admit how Ironic it is that the tea party has adopted that sort of speak. I went to the Glenn Beck rally and, in an Orwellian fashion, he conflated the civil rights movement with the plight of the middle class white people today under the oppressive Obama regime. Ironically, he picked MLK day to do it. I don’t think that was a mistake .[/quote]
Arraya: I’m absolutely sure it wasn’t a mistake. Context and subtext, juxtaposed against the backdrop of History (big “H”) is hugely important and even more so, if you can hijack your opponent’s icons, symbols and mythology. MLK’s words resonated, not just with blacks, but with people of all colors. Beck is no fool, nor are his producers. His choice of Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” was intentional, as is his constant references to “back then” (the proverbial “Good, Old Days”).
The Left does it as well. Hillary Clinton is fond of the 1968 Revolution rhetoric, bringing up the “barricades” and other totemic words. Obama remains one of the most skilled orators of our time, and the “Messiah” meme is not misplaced; not when you consider the language of deification and reification he and his followers use.
Like I said, Orwell would love this shit.
January 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM #653902Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]
Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.[/quote]Does that mean, as a white guy, that I have to stop bitching about “The Man” and how he’s keeping me down?[/quote]
lol… you have to admit how Ironic it is that the tea party has adopted that sort of speak. I went to the Glenn Beck rally and, in an Orwellian fashion, he conflated the civil rights movement with the plight of the middle class white people today under the oppressive Obama regime. Ironically, he picked MLK day to do it. I don’t think that was a mistake .[/quote]
Arraya: I’m absolutely sure it wasn’t a mistake. Context and subtext, juxtaposed against the backdrop of History (big “H”) is hugely important and even more so, if you can hijack your opponent’s icons, symbols and mythology. MLK’s words resonated, not just with blacks, but with people of all colors. Beck is no fool, nor are his producers. His choice of Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” was intentional, as is his constant references to “back then” (the proverbial “Good, Old Days”).
The Left does it as well. Hillary Clinton is fond of the 1968 Revolution rhetoric, bringing up the “barricades” and other totemic words. Obama remains one of the most skilled orators of our time, and the “Messiah” meme is not misplaced; not when you consider the language of deification and reification he and his followers use.
Like I said, Orwell would love this shit.
January 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM #654488Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]
Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.[/quote]Does that mean, as a white guy, that I have to stop bitching about “The Man” and how he’s keeping me down?[/quote]
lol… you have to admit how Ironic it is that the tea party has adopted that sort of speak. I went to the Glenn Beck rally and, in an Orwellian fashion, he conflated the civil rights movement with the plight of the middle class white people today under the oppressive Obama regime. Ironically, he picked MLK day to do it. I don’t think that was a mistake .[/quote]
Arraya: I’m absolutely sure it wasn’t a mistake. Context and subtext, juxtaposed against the backdrop of History (big “H”) is hugely important and even more so, if you can hijack your opponent’s icons, symbols and mythology. MLK’s words resonated, not just with blacks, but with people of all colors. Beck is no fool, nor are his producers. His choice of Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” was intentional, as is his constant references to “back then” (the proverbial “Good, Old Days”).
The Left does it as well. Hillary Clinton is fond of the 1968 Revolution rhetoric, bringing up the “barricades” and other totemic words. Obama remains one of the most skilled orators of our time, and the “Messiah” meme is not misplaced; not when you consider the language of deification and reification he and his followers use.
Like I said, Orwell would love this shit.
January 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM #654624Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]
Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.[/quote]Does that mean, as a white guy, that I have to stop bitching about “The Man” and how he’s keeping me down?[/quote]
lol… you have to admit how Ironic it is that the tea party has adopted that sort of speak. I went to the Glenn Beck rally and, in an Orwellian fashion, he conflated the civil rights movement with the plight of the middle class white people today under the oppressive Obama regime. Ironically, he picked MLK day to do it. I don’t think that was a mistake .[/quote]
Arraya: I’m absolutely sure it wasn’t a mistake. Context and subtext, juxtaposed against the backdrop of History (big “H”) is hugely important and even more so, if you can hijack your opponent’s icons, symbols and mythology. MLK’s words resonated, not just with blacks, but with people of all colors. Beck is no fool, nor are his producers. His choice of Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” was intentional, as is his constant references to “back then” (the proverbial “Good, Old Days”).
The Left does it as well. Hillary Clinton is fond of the 1968 Revolution rhetoric, bringing up the “barricades” and other totemic words. Obama remains one of the most skilled orators of our time, and the “Messiah” meme is not misplaced; not when you consider the language of deification and reification he and his followers use.
Like I said, Orwell would love this shit.
January 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM #654952Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]
Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.[/quote]Does that mean, as a white guy, that I have to stop bitching about “The Man” and how he’s keeping me down?[/quote]
lol… you have to admit how Ironic it is that the tea party has adopted that sort of speak. I went to the Glenn Beck rally and, in an Orwellian fashion, he conflated the civil rights movement with the plight of the middle class white people today under the oppressive Obama regime. Ironically, he picked MLK day to do it. I don’t think that was a mistake .[/quote]
Arraya: I’m absolutely sure it wasn’t a mistake. Context and subtext, juxtaposed against the backdrop of History (big “H”) is hugely important and even more so, if you can hijack your opponent’s icons, symbols and mythology. MLK’s words resonated, not just with blacks, but with people of all colors. Beck is no fool, nor are his producers. His choice of Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” was intentional, as is his constant references to “back then” (the proverbial “Good, Old Days”).
The Left does it as well. Hillary Clinton is fond of the 1968 Revolution rhetoric, bringing up the “barricades” and other totemic words. Obama remains one of the most skilled orators of our time, and the “Messiah” meme is not misplaced; not when you consider the language of deification and reification he and his followers use.
Like I said, Orwell would love this shit.
January 14, 2011 at 2:23 PM #653845briansd1
Guest[quote=Rustico]Brian, When you go around carelessly using labels like “Redneck” and conflating whoever they supposedly are with evil, you are doing what Bush did…you are doing what every bigot from the beginning of time has done.[/quote]
I don’t disagree.
I do it for effect rather than out of belief. You have to talk the language of Glen Beck and Limbaugh for their adherents to understand.
If someone calls you a dumbass, it’s serves no purpose to respond “that was not very polite”.
As Allan has said before, words have meanings and consequences. But will the Right tone down the vitriol first?
January 14, 2011 at 2:23 PM #653912Guest[quote=Rustico]Brian, When you go around carelessly using labels like “Redneck” and conflating whoever they supposedly are with evil, you are doing what Bush did…you are doing what every bigot from the beginning of time has done.[/quote]
I don’t disagree.
I do it for effect rather than out of belief. You have to talk the language of Glen Beck and Limbaugh for their adherents to understand.
If someone calls you a dumbass, it’s serves no purpose to respond “that was not very polite”.
As Allan has said before, words have meanings and consequences. But will the Right tone down the vitriol first?
January 14, 2011 at 2:23 PM #654497Guest[quote=Rustico]Brian, When you go around carelessly using labels like “Redneck” and conflating whoever they supposedly are with evil, you are doing what Bush did…you are doing what every bigot from the beginning of time has done.[/quote]
I don’t disagree.
I do it for effect rather than out of belief. You have to talk the language of Glen Beck and Limbaugh for their adherents to understand.
If someone calls you a dumbass, it’s serves no purpose to respond “that was not very polite”.
As Allan has said before, words have meanings and consequences. But will the Right tone down the vitriol first?
January 14, 2011 at 2:23 PM #654634Guest[quote=Rustico]Brian, When you go around carelessly using labels like “Redneck” and conflating whoever they supposedly are with evil, you are doing what Bush did…you are doing what every bigot from the beginning of time has done.[/quote]
I don’t disagree.
I do it for effect rather than out of belief. You have to talk the language of Glen Beck and Limbaugh for their adherents to understand.
If someone calls you a dumbass, it’s serves no purpose to respond “that was not very polite”.
As Allan has said before, words have meanings and consequences. But will the Right tone down the vitriol first?
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