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January 14, 2011 at 10:01 AM #654719January 14, 2011 at 10:09 AM #653609
jstoesz
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=jstoesz]
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
[/quote]Do you think that Muslim terrorists are not motivated by their imams?
Are the imams who preach jihad at fault at all?[/quote]
And Besides Brian, it is not even the imam’s fault. The Imams have all been raised by a overbearing and physically abusive fathers, and they never learned to read. As we all know, education is the religion of pious Pax.
January 14, 2011 at 10:09 AM #653675Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=jstoesz]
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
[/quote]Do you think that Muslim terrorists are not motivated by their imams?
Are the imams who preach jihad at fault at all?[/quote]
And Besides Brian, it is not even the imam’s fault. The Imams have all been raised by a overbearing and physically abusive fathers, and they never learned to read. As we all know, education is the religion of pious Pax.
January 14, 2011 at 10:09 AM #654263Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=jstoesz]
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
[/quote]Do you think that Muslim terrorists are not motivated by their imams?
Are the imams who preach jihad at fault at all?[/quote]
And Besides Brian, it is not even the imam’s fault. The Imams have all been raised by a overbearing and physically abusive fathers, and they never learned to read. As we all know, education is the religion of pious Pax.
January 14, 2011 at 10:09 AM #654397Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=jstoesz]
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
[/quote]Do you think that Muslim terrorists are not motivated by their imams?
Are the imams who preach jihad at fault at all?[/quote]
And Besides Brian, it is not even the imam’s fault. The Imams have all been raised by a overbearing and physically abusive fathers, and they never learned to read. As we all know, education is the religion of pious Pax.
January 14, 2011 at 10:09 AM #654724Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=jstoesz]
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
[/quote]Do you think that Muslim terrorists are not motivated by their imams?
Are the imams who preach jihad at fault at all?[/quote]
And Besides Brian, it is not even the imam’s fault. The Imams have all been raised by a overbearing and physically abusive fathers, and they never learned to read. As we all know, education is the religion of pious Pax.
January 14, 2011 at 10:14 AM #653619briansd1
Guest[quote=jstoesz]Let me get this straight…your are making a link between cult leaders (extremist imams) and conservative talk chuckle heads? Seriously?[/quote]
Different degree of nuttiness, but the same general principal applies.
People are motivated to do things by people around them, and by people they admire and listen to.
You can stop the craziness by stopping those who speak and motivate the crazies. Similarly, you can stop freedom by silencing those who advocate it.
Once someone commits a violent crazy act, to preempt future violence, we should ruthlessly sweep through and elimate all that motivated it or could have influenced. I believe that Bush would agree to that.
January 14, 2011 at 10:14 AM #653685Guest[quote=jstoesz]Let me get this straight…your are making a link between cult leaders (extremist imams) and conservative talk chuckle heads? Seriously?[/quote]
Different degree of nuttiness, but the same general principal applies.
People are motivated to do things by people around them, and by people they admire and listen to.
You can stop the craziness by stopping those who speak and motivate the crazies. Similarly, you can stop freedom by silencing those who advocate it.
Once someone commits a violent crazy act, to preempt future violence, we should ruthlessly sweep through and elimate all that motivated it or could have influenced. I believe that Bush would agree to that.
January 14, 2011 at 10:14 AM #654273Guest[quote=jstoesz]Let me get this straight…your are making a link between cult leaders (extremist imams) and conservative talk chuckle heads? Seriously?[/quote]
Different degree of nuttiness, but the same general principal applies.
People are motivated to do things by people around them, and by people they admire and listen to.
You can stop the craziness by stopping those who speak and motivate the crazies. Similarly, you can stop freedom by silencing those who advocate it.
Once someone commits a violent crazy act, to preempt future violence, we should ruthlessly sweep through and elimate all that motivated it or could have influenced. I believe that Bush would agree to that.
January 14, 2011 at 10:14 AM #654407Guest[quote=jstoesz]Let me get this straight…your are making a link between cult leaders (extremist imams) and conservative talk chuckle heads? Seriously?[/quote]
Different degree of nuttiness, but the same general principal applies.
People are motivated to do things by people around them, and by people they admire and listen to.
You can stop the craziness by stopping those who speak and motivate the crazies. Similarly, you can stop freedom by silencing those who advocate it.
Once someone commits a violent crazy act, to preempt future violence, we should ruthlessly sweep through and elimate all that motivated it or could have influenced. I believe that Bush would agree to that.
January 14, 2011 at 10:14 AM #654734Guest[quote=jstoesz]Let me get this straight…your are making a link between cult leaders (extremist imams) and conservative talk chuckle heads? Seriously?[/quote]
Different degree of nuttiness, but the same general principal applies.
People are motivated to do things by people around them, and by people they admire and listen to.
You can stop the craziness by stopping those who speak and motivate the crazies. Similarly, you can stop freedom by silencing those who advocate it.
Once someone commits a violent crazy act, to preempt future violence, we should ruthlessly sweep through and elimate all that motivated it or could have influenced. I believe that Bush would agree to that.
January 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM #653624Participant[quote=briansd1]
Once someone commits a violent crazy act, to preempt future violence, we should ruthlessly sweep through and elimate all that motivated it or could have influenced. I believe that Bush would agree to that.[/quote]
[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]But let’s say it does. Now what? Legislation to limit such speech?[/quote]
Allan,
NO ONE here is proposing any constraints on civil liberties (and I think you know that, so quit trying to steer the conversation toward Orwell.)
[/quote]I think we just found someone…or maybe two if you count bush.
January 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM #653690Participant[quote=briansd1]
Once someone commits a violent crazy act, to preempt future violence, we should ruthlessly sweep through and elimate all that motivated it or could have influenced. I believe that Bush would agree to that.[/quote]
[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]But let’s say it does. Now what? Legislation to limit such speech?[/quote]
Allan,
NO ONE here is proposing any constraints on civil liberties (and I think you know that, so quit trying to steer the conversation toward Orwell.)
[/quote]I think we just found someone…or maybe two if you count bush.
January 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM #654278Participant[quote=briansd1]
Once someone commits a violent crazy act, to preempt future violence, we should ruthlessly sweep through and elimate all that motivated it or could have influenced. I believe that Bush would agree to that.[/quote]
[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]But let’s say it does. Now what? Legislation to limit such speech?[/quote]
Allan,
NO ONE here is proposing any constraints on civil liberties (and I think you know that, so quit trying to steer the conversation toward Orwell.)
[/quote]I think we just found someone…or maybe two if you count bush.
January 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM #654412Participant[quote=briansd1]
Once someone commits a violent crazy act, to preempt future violence, we should ruthlessly sweep through and elimate all that motivated it or could have influenced. I believe that Bush would agree to that.[/quote]
[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]But let’s say it does. Now what? Legislation to limit such speech?[/quote]
Allan,
NO ONE here is proposing any constraints on civil liberties (and I think you know that, so quit trying to steer the conversation toward Orwell.)
[/quote]I think we just found someone…or maybe two if you count bush.
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