OT: Sad day for America

[Arraya]

I can’t really imagine white supremacists voting democrat

Oxford Dictionary of Politics:right(-wing)

. the right wing 1. the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system. Etymology: with reference to the National Assembly in France (1789-91), where the nobles sat to the president’s right and the commons to the left.

The opposite of left. As with the term left-wing, the label right-wing has many connotations which vary over time and are often only understood within the particular political context. In advanced liberal democracies, perhaps more than anything else the right has been defined in opposition to socialism or social democracy. As a result, the ideologies and philosophies of right-wing political parties have included elements of conservatism, Christian democracy, libertarianism, and nationalism; and for extreme-right parties racism and fascism.

Roget’s Thesaurus:
right-wing

Strongly favoring retention of the existing order: conservative, orthodox, right, rightist, Tory, traditionalist,

Use of the term “Right” became more prominent after the second restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 with the Ultra-royalists.[10] Historically it has been primarily used to refer to conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, aristocrats, and theocrats. Later on the term would be used to describe those who support free market capitalism,[11] and those who support some forms of nationalism, including fascism.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: Two problems here. First, I used the term “rising tide” deliberately. There is no such tide, and if you consult law enforcement resources like NCIC and VICAP, you’ll see that that’s case. You cite recent incidents, but I note you didn’t go back very far in your research. I’d be curious to see what happens when you stretch your timeline to the 1980s, for instance.

Second, how do these incidents you cite tie back into right-wing hate speech? In other words, were all of these incidents incited by right-wing hate speech? If the connection was there, I must have missed it.

Like DJ pointed out: Nuts is nuts. The Lefties are having the same problem tying Loughner back to Beck or Limbaugh, mainly because the connection doesn’t exist.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: Two problems here. First, I used the term “rising tide” deliberately. There is no such tide, and if you consult law enforcement resources like NCIC and VICAP, you’ll see that that’s case. You cite recent incidents, but I note you didn’t go back very far in your research. I’d be curious to see what happens when you stretch your timeline to the 1980s, for instance.

Second, how do these incidents you cite tie back into right-wing hate speech? In other words, were all of these incidents incited by right-wing hate speech? If the connection was there, I must have missed it.

Like DJ pointed out: Nuts is nuts. The Lefties are having the same problem tying Loughner back to Beck or Limbaugh, mainly because the connection doesn’t exist.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: Two problems here. First, I used the term “rising tide” deliberately. There is no such tide, and if you consult law enforcement resources like NCIC and VICAP, you’ll see that that’s case. You cite recent incidents, but I note you didn’t go back very far in your research. I’d be curious to see what happens when you stretch your timeline to the 1980s, for instance.

Second, how do these incidents you cite tie back into right-wing hate speech? In other words, were all of these incidents incited by right-wing hate speech? If the connection was there, I must have missed it.

Like DJ pointed out: Nuts is nuts. The Lefties are having the same problem tying Loughner back to Beck or Limbaugh, mainly because the connection doesn’t exist.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: Two problems here. First, I used the term “rising tide” deliberately. There is no such tide, and if you consult law enforcement resources like NCIC and VICAP, you’ll see that that’s case. You cite recent incidents, but I note you didn’t go back very far in your research. I’d be curious to see what happens when you stretch your timeline to the 1980s, for instance.

Second, how do these incidents you cite tie back into right-wing hate speech? In other words, were all of these incidents incited by right-wing hate speech? If the connection was there, I must have missed it.

Like DJ pointed out: Nuts is nuts. The Lefties are having the same problem tying Loughner back to Beck or Limbaugh, mainly because the connection doesn’t exist.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: Two problems here. First, I used the term “rising tide” deliberately. There is no such tide, and if you consult law enforcement resources like NCIC and VICAP, you’ll see that that’s case. You cite recent incidents, but I note you didn’t go back very far in your research. I’d be curious to see what happens when you stretch your timeline to the 1980s, for instance.

Second, how do these incidents you cite tie back into right-wing hate speech? In other words, were all of these incidents incited by right-wing hate speech? If the connection was there, I must have missed it.

Like DJ pointed out: Nuts is nuts. The Lefties are having the same problem tying Loughner back to Beck or Limbaugh, mainly because the connection doesn’t exist.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]I can’t really imagine white supremacists voting democrat

[/quote]

But you see them voting mainstream GOP? C’mon, Arraya. People of this stripe are pretty much flat out fascists, hence their fetishization of all things Nazi and their love of old Adolf.

Yes, they are Rightist, but not in the sense that “right-wing” is. If you want to make that connection, then you’ll have to go ALL the way out on the Loony Left and tie them back into the Democratic Party.

In terms of extremism, however, you do make the point that both parties have reactionary and extremist elements, and these elements are now exerting an ugly influence.

While we’re out on the fringes, it would be interesting to try and connect the Anarchism of Kropotkin, Berkman or “Red Emma” to the libertarianism of, say, Ron Paul.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]I can’t really imagine white supremacists voting democrat

[/quote]

But you see them voting mainstream GOP? C’mon, Arraya. People of this stripe are pretty much flat out fascists, hence their fetishization of all things Nazi and their love of old Adolf.

Yes, they are Rightist, but not in the sense that “right-wing” is. If you want to make that connection, then you’ll have to go ALL the way out on the Loony Left and tie them back into the Democratic Party.

In terms of extremism, however, you do make the point that both parties have reactionary and extremist elements, and these elements are now exerting an ugly influence.

While we’re out on the fringes, it would be interesting to try and connect the Anarchism of Kropotkin, Berkman or “Red Emma” to the libertarianism of, say, Ron Paul.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]I can’t really imagine white supremacists voting democrat

[/quote]

But you see them voting mainstream GOP? C’mon, Arraya. People of this stripe are pretty much flat out fascists, hence their fetishization of all things Nazi and their love of old Adolf.

Yes, they are Rightist, but not in the sense that “right-wing” is. If you want to make that connection, then you’ll have to go ALL the way out on the Loony Left and tie them back into the Democratic Party.

In terms of extremism, however, you do make the point that both parties have reactionary and extremist elements, and these elements are now exerting an ugly influence.

While we’re out on the fringes, it would be interesting to try and connect the Anarchism of Kropotkin, Berkman or “Red Emma” to the libertarianism of, say, Ron Paul.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]I can’t really imagine white supremacists voting democrat

[/quote]

But you see them voting mainstream GOP? C’mon, Arraya. People of this stripe are pretty much flat out fascists, hence their fetishization of all things Nazi and their love of old Adolf.

Yes, they are Rightist, but not in the sense that “right-wing” is. If you want to make that connection, then you’ll have to go ALL the way out on the Loony Left and tie them back into the Democratic Party.

In terms of extremism, however, you do make the point that both parties have reactionary and extremist elements, and these elements are now exerting an ugly influence.

While we’re out on the fringes, it would be interesting to try and connect the Anarchism of Kropotkin, Berkman or “Red Emma” to the libertarianism of, say, Ron Paul.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]I can’t really imagine white supremacists voting democrat

[/quote]

But you see them voting mainstream GOP? C’mon, Arraya. People of this stripe are pretty much flat out fascists, hence their fetishization of all things Nazi and their love of old Adolf.

Yes, they are Rightist, but not in the sense that “right-wing” is. If you want to make that connection, then you’ll have to go ALL the way out on the Loony Left and tie them back into the Democratic Party.

In terms of extremism, however, you do make the point that both parties have reactionary and extremist elements, and these elements are now exerting an ugly influence.

While we’re out on the fringes, it would be interesting to try and connect the Anarchism of Kropotkin, Berkman or “Red Emma” to the libertarianism of, say, Ron Paul.

[Arraya]

Most left wing violence and “radicalism” is in Europe. We don’t really have a radical left in the US. That is just kind of the way things turned out – the McCarthy era was effective in that respect, IMO. As much as the right tries to create one.

Still, the issue of race is usually associated, for historical reasons, with “right wing” and that is all I was pointing out. Fringe, yes, but right-wing nonetheless

[Arraya]

Most left wing violence and “radicalism” is in Europe. We don’t really have a radical left in the US. That is just kind of the way things turned out – the McCarthy era was effective in that respect, IMO. As much as the right tries to create one.

Still, the issue of race is usually associated, for historical reasons, with “right wing” and that is all I was pointing out. Fringe, yes, but right-wing nonetheless

[Arraya]

Most left wing violence and “radicalism” is in Europe. We don’t really have a radical left in the US. That is just kind of the way things turned out – the McCarthy era was effective in that respect, IMO. As much as the right tries to create one.

Still, the issue of race is usually associated, for historical reasons, with “right wing” and that is all I was pointing out. Fringe, yes, but right-wing nonetheless

[Arraya]

Most left wing violence and “radicalism” is in Europe. We don’t really have a radical left in the US. That is just kind of the way things turned out – the McCarthy era was effective in that respect, IMO. As much as the right tries to create one.

Still, the issue of race is usually associated, for historical reasons, with “right wing” and that is all I was pointing out. Fringe, yes, but right-wing nonetheless

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