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January 12, 2011 at 8:12 PM #653669January 12, 2011 at 8:27 PM #652563
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Participantthe gun law was kind of a let down in the loughner case. a gun guy was on the scene alomst immediately, almost shot the wrong guy (who had wrestled the shooters gun away) and the shooter was subdued with plain old muscle power. how cool would it have been for the pro gun people if he’d been subdued witha bullet in the brain just in the nick o time. instead, guns didn’t help almost hurt the rescue, and caused the injuries. bummer for the gun people. coulda been a heroic moment in american gun history. most mentalluy ill people arent violent, so i think prohibiting the mentally ill f rom owning guns is misguided. they shouldnt let weirdos own guns. i’m willing to be the judge.
January 12, 2011 at 8:27 PM #652629Participantthe gun law was kind of a let down in the loughner case. a gun guy was on the scene alomst immediately, almost shot the wrong guy (who had wrestled the shooters gun away) and the shooter was subdued with plain old muscle power. how cool would it have been for the pro gun people if he’d been subdued witha bullet in the brain just in the nick o time. instead, guns didn’t help almost hurt the rescue, and caused the injuries. bummer for the gun people. coulda been a heroic moment in american gun history. most mentalluy ill people arent violent, so i think prohibiting the mentally ill f rom owning guns is misguided. they shouldnt let weirdos own guns. i’m willing to be the judge.
January 12, 2011 at 8:27 PM #653218Participantthe gun law was kind of a let down in the loughner case. a gun guy was on the scene alomst immediately, almost shot the wrong guy (who had wrestled the shooters gun away) and the shooter was subdued with plain old muscle power. how cool would it have been for the pro gun people if he’d been subdued witha bullet in the brain just in the nick o time. instead, guns didn’t help almost hurt the rescue, and caused the injuries. bummer for the gun people. coulda been a heroic moment in american gun history. most mentalluy ill people arent violent, so i think prohibiting the mentally ill f rom owning guns is misguided. they shouldnt let weirdos own guns. i’m willing to be the judge.
January 12, 2011 at 8:27 PM #653356Participantthe gun law was kind of a let down in the loughner case. a gun guy was on the scene alomst immediately, almost shot the wrong guy (who had wrestled the shooters gun away) and the shooter was subdued with plain old muscle power. how cool would it have been for the pro gun people if he’d been subdued witha bullet in the brain just in the nick o time. instead, guns didn’t help almost hurt the rescue, and caused the injuries. bummer for the gun people. coulda been a heroic moment in american gun history. most mentalluy ill people arent violent, so i think prohibiting the mentally ill f rom owning guns is misguided. they shouldnt let weirdos own guns. i’m willing to be the judge.
January 12, 2011 at 8:27 PM #653679Participantthe gun law was kind of a let down in the loughner case. a gun guy was on the scene alomst immediately, almost shot the wrong guy (who had wrestled the shooters gun away) and the shooter was subdued with plain old muscle power. how cool would it have been for the pro gun people if he’d been subdued witha bullet in the brain just in the nick o time. instead, guns didn’t help almost hurt the rescue, and caused the injuries. bummer for the gun people. coulda been a heroic moment in american gun history. most mentalluy ill people arent violent, so i think prohibiting the mentally ill f rom owning guns is misguided. they shouldnt let weirdos own guns. i’m willing to be the judge.
January 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM #652588NotCranky
Participant[quote=briansd1]Sarah Palin speaks:
She said that acts like the shootings in Arizona “begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state.”
I wish Palin and other Americans would feel the same about terrorism and muslims.
Why do we invade whole countries because of the acts of few individuals?[/quote]
Since so many democrats are so staunchly against overthrowing governments I wish Obama would get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I wish democratic representatives would have tried harder to stop it.
January 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM #652653Participant[quote=briansd1]Sarah Palin speaks:
She said that acts like the shootings in Arizona “begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state.”
I wish Palin and other Americans would feel the same about terrorism and muslims.
Why do we invade whole countries because of the acts of few individuals?[/quote]
Since so many democrats are so staunchly against overthrowing governments I wish Obama would get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I wish democratic representatives would have tried harder to stop it.
January 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM #653243Participant[quote=briansd1]Sarah Palin speaks:
She said that acts like the shootings in Arizona “begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state.”
I wish Palin and other Americans would feel the same about terrorism and muslims.
Why do we invade whole countries because of the acts of few individuals?[/quote]
Since so many democrats are so staunchly against overthrowing governments I wish Obama would get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I wish democratic representatives would have tried harder to stop it.
January 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM #653380Participant[quote=briansd1]Sarah Palin speaks:
She said that acts like the shootings in Arizona “begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state.”
I wish Palin and other Americans would feel the same about terrorism and muslims.
Why do we invade whole countries because of the acts of few individuals?[/quote]
Since so many democrats are so staunchly against overthrowing governments I wish Obama would get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I wish democratic representatives would have tried harder to stop it.
January 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM #653704Participant[quote=briansd1]Sarah Palin speaks:
She said that acts like the shootings in Arizona “begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state.”
I wish Palin and other Americans would feel the same about terrorism and muslims.
Why do we invade whole countries because of the acts of few individuals?[/quote]
Since so many democrats are so staunchly against overthrowing governments I wish Obama would get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I wish democratic representatives would have tried harder to stop it.
January 13, 2011 at 8:11 AM #652649Anonymous
Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]You’re obviously referring to the rising tide of assassinations, murder attempts and violence against political figures, correct?[/quote]
Yes. I am.
— July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others. “Adkisson, […] says that he was motivated by hatred of Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. According to a sworn affidavit by one of the officers who interviewed Adkisson on July 27, 2008: In his manifesto, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate, and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.”
— October 2008: Two neo-Nazis (Daniael Cowart and Paul Schlesselman) are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.
— December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals — the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure” — threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.
— December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist (James G. Cummings) shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb. Cummings was “very upset” when Barack Obama was elected president.
— January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center. Luke wanted to “kill as many Jews, blacks, and Hispanics as humanly possible … before killing himself”.
— February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.
— April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
— April 2009: Joshua Cartwright, a Florida National Guardsman, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
— May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.
— June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.
— February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one “domestic terrorism” too.)
— March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.
— March, 2010 a propane line was cut at the home of the brother of Rep. Tom Perriello in an apparent attempt to cause a fire or explosion. The address of Perriello’s brother had mistakenly been identified as the address of Congressman Perriello by Tea Party activists who wished to inspire protests at the Representative’s home. “oh well, collateral damage…”
— March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.
— May 2010: A “sovereign citizen” from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.
— May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.
— May 2010: Two “sovereign citizens” named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.
— July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.
— September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year–old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the “Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.
Links to the sources are available on request.
January 13, 2011 at 8:11 AM #652714Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]You’re obviously referring to the rising tide of assassinations, murder attempts and violence against political figures, correct?[/quote]
Yes. I am.
— July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others. “Adkisson, […] says that he was motivated by hatred of Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. According to a sworn affidavit by one of the officers who interviewed Adkisson on July 27, 2008: In his manifesto, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate, and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.”
— October 2008: Two neo-Nazis (Daniael Cowart and Paul Schlesselman) are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.
— December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals — the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure” — threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.
— December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist (James G. Cummings) shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb. Cummings was “very upset” when Barack Obama was elected president.
— January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center. Luke wanted to “kill as many Jews, blacks, and Hispanics as humanly possible … before killing himself”.
— February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.
— April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
— April 2009: Joshua Cartwright, a Florida National Guardsman, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
— May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.
— June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.
— February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one “domestic terrorism” too.)
— March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.
— March, 2010 a propane line was cut at the home of the brother of Rep. Tom Perriello in an apparent attempt to cause a fire or explosion. The address of Perriello’s brother had mistakenly been identified as the address of Congressman Perriello by Tea Party activists who wished to inspire protests at the Representative’s home. “oh well, collateral damage…”
— March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.
— May 2010: A “sovereign citizen” from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.
— May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.
— May 2010: Two “sovereign citizens” named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.
— July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.
— September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year–old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the “Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.
Links to the sources are available on request.
January 13, 2011 at 8:11 AM #653302Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]You’re obviously referring to the rising tide of assassinations, murder attempts and violence against political figures, correct?[/quote]
Yes. I am.
— July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others. “Adkisson, […] says that he was motivated by hatred of Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. According to a sworn affidavit by one of the officers who interviewed Adkisson on July 27, 2008: In his manifesto, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate, and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.”
— October 2008: Two neo-Nazis (Daniael Cowart and Paul Schlesselman) are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.
— December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals — the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure” — threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.
— December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist (James G. Cummings) shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb. Cummings was “very upset” when Barack Obama was elected president.
— January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center. Luke wanted to “kill as many Jews, blacks, and Hispanics as humanly possible … before killing himself”.
— February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.
— April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
— April 2009: Joshua Cartwright, a Florida National Guardsman, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
— May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.
— June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.
— February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one “domestic terrorism” too.)
— March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.
— March, 2010 a propane line was cut at the home of the brother of Rep. Tom Perriello in an apparent attempt to cause a fire or explosion. The address of Perriello’s brother had mistakenly been identified as the address of Congressman Perriello by Tea Party activists who wished to inspire protests at the Representative’s home. “oh well, collateral damage…”
— March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.
— May 2010: A “sovereign citizen” from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.
— May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.
— May 2010: Two “sovereign citizens” named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.
— July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.
— September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year–old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the “Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.
Links to the sources are available on request.
January 13, 2011 at 8:11 AM #653440Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]You’re obviously referring to the rising tide of assassinations, murder attempts and violence against political figures, correct?[/quote]
Yes. I am.
— July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others. “Adkisson, […] says that he was motivated by hatred of Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. According to a sworn affidavit by one of the officers who interviewed Adkisson on July 27, 2008: In his manifesto, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate, and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.”
— October 2008: Two neo-Nazis (Daniael Cowart and Paul Schlesselman) are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.
— December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals — the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure” — threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.
— December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist (James G. Cummings) shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb. Cummings was “very upset” when Barack Obama was elected president.
— January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center. Luke wanted to “kill as many Jews, blacks, and Hispanics as humanly possible … before killing himself”.
— February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.
— April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
— April 2009: Joshua Cartwright, a Florida National Guardsman, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
— May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.
— June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.
— February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one “domestic terrorism” too.)
— March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.
— March, 2010 a propane line was cut at the home of the brother of Rep. Tom Perriello in an apparent attempt to cause a fire or explosion. The address of Perriello’s brother had mistakenly been identified as the address of Congressman Perriello by Tea Party activists who wished to inspire protests at the Representative’s home. “oh well, collateral damage…”
— March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.
— May 2010: A “sovereign citizen” from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.
— May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.
— May 2010: Two “sovereign citizens” named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.
— July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.
— September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year–old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the “Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.
Links to the sources are available on request.
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