OT: Sad day for America

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[quote=briansd1]A wimpy liberal professor bringing a gun is for self-defense.

Tough guys carry knives and guns around for offense.

Obama’s statements are nothing when compared to the raucousness of violence and vitriol emanating daily from right-wing talk radio.[/quote]

Examples or shut up. Most of your post are based on pure emotion, which is fitting for your affiliation. Allan mentions it comes from both extremes and you then defend your affiliated extreme. NEVER willing to ever admit fault on your side. When people reference an argument is pointless because it is like talking to a tree, you are the prime example. Why the hell I don’t block your user name is beyond me. I must be a glutton for punishment.

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[quote=afx114]What is being lost in this discussion is not who is saying the the violent rhetoric, but who is listening to it.

Polls schmolls, but this CBS poll is interesting:

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?

Republican 28% yes, 64% no
Democrat 11% yes, 81% no
Indepdent 11% yes, 81% no

I know, I know, Dan Rather probably cooked up those numbers. But would anyone really disagree with them? Everyone knows which is the party of the 2nd Amendment and its “remedies.” They’ve been proud of that fact for decades. So much so that they’ve fought common-sense legislation meant to keep mentally unstable Army rejects from getting firearms without a license. This is the false equivalency to which I referred up-thread. Post as many inflammatory quotes from Democrats as you want, it doesn’t change the fact that the right is the side with all the guns.[/quote]

You act like owning a gun is a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that most oppressive governments ban gun ownership as their first oppressive action. Prevent the uprising. This country would not be independent if it wasn’t for guns.

I own a few guns. I’m not a gun nut nor do I promote revolution, like you insinuate above. I have them for self defense. If anyone breaks in my house I want to be able to defend my family. What if a natural disasters take place and food supplies are cut off? People will do whatever it takes to get supplies and I want to be able to defend myself. They are also fun to shoot as a pass-time. I’m a financial analyst that sits in a cube, not some redneck the left love to portray as the only gun owners.

Your example above is invalid as guns don’t get up on their own and shoot people. People shoot people. Show me stats that more people on the right commit violence and I will listen. Jay Leno owns more cars than you but does that mean he drives more than you?

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[quote=afx114]What is being lost in this discussion is not who is saying the the violent rhetoric, but who is listening to it.

Polls schmolls, but this CBS poll is interesting:

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?

Republican 28% yes, 64% no
Democrat 11% yes, 81% no
Indepdent 11% yes, 81% no

I know, I know, Dan Rather probably cooked up those numbers. But would anyone really disagree with them? Everyone knows which is the party of the 2nd Amendment and its “remedies.” They’ve been proud of that fact for decades. So much so that they’ve fought common-sense legislation meant to keep mentally unstable Army rejects from getting firearms without a license. This is the false equivalency to which I referred up-thread. Post as many inflammatory quotes from Democrats as you want, it doesn’t change the fact that the right is the side with all the guns.[/quote]

You act like owning a gun is a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that most oppressive governments ban gun ownership as their first oppressive action. Prevent the uprising. This country would not be independent if it wasn’t for guns.

I own a few guns. I’m not a gun nut nor do I promote revolution, like you insinuate above. I have them for self defense. If anyone breaks in my house I want to be able to defend my family. What if a natural disasters take place and food supplies are cut off? People will do whatever it takes to get supplies and I want to be able to defend myself. They are also fun to shoot as a pass-time. I’m a financial analyst that sits in a cube, not some redneck the left love to portray as the only gun owners.

Your example above is invalid as guns don’t get up on their own and shoot people. People shoot people. Show me stats that more people on the right commit violence and I will listen. Jay Leno owns more cars than you but does that mean he drives more than you?

[Djshakes]

[quote=afx114]What is being lost in this discussion is not who is saying the the violent rhetoric, but who is listening to it.

Polls schmolls, but this CBS poll is interesting:

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?

Republican 28% yes, 64% no
Democrat 11% yes, 81% no
Indepdent 11% yes, 81% no

I know, I know, Dan Rather probably cooked up those numbers. But would anyone really disagree with them? Everyone knows which is the party of the 2nd Amendment and its “remedies.” They’ve been proud of that fact for decades. So much so that they’ve fought common-sense legislation meant to keep mentally unstable Army rejects from getting firearms without a license. This is the false equivalency to which I referred up-thread. Post as many inflammatory quotes from Democrats as you want, it doesn’t change the fact that the right is the side with all the guns.[/quote]

You act like owning a gun is a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that most oppressive governments ban gun ownership as their first oppressive action. Prevent the uprising. This country would not be independent if it wasn’t for guns.

I own a few guns. I’m not a gun nut nor do I promote revolution, like you insinuate above. I have them for self defense. If anyone breaks in my house I want to be able to defend my family. What if a natural disasters take place and food supplies are cut off? People will do whatever it takes to get supplies and I want to be able to defend myself. They are also fun to shoot as a pass-time. I’m a financial analyst that sits in a cube, not some redneck the left love to portray as the only gun owners.

Your example above is invalid as guns don’t get up on their own and shoot people. People shoot people. Show me stats that more people on the right commit violence and I will listen. Jay Leno owns more cars than you but does that mean he drives more than you?

[Djshakes]

[quote=afx114]What is being lost in this discussion is not who is saying the the violent rhetoric, but who is listening to it.

Polls schmolls, but this CBS poll is interesting:

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?

Republican 28% yes, 64% no
Democrat 11% yes, 81% no
Indepdent 11% yes, 81% no

I know, I know, Dan Rather probably cooked up those numbers. But would anyone really disagree with them? Everyone knows which is the party of the 2nd Amendment and its “remedies.” They’ve been proud of that fact for decades. So much so that they’ve fought common-sense legislation meant to keep mentally unstable Army rejects from getting firearms without a license. This is the false equivalency to which I referred up-thread. Post as many inflammatory quotes from Democrats as you want, it doesn’t change the fact that the right is the side with all the guns.[/quote]

You act like owning a gun is a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that most oppressive governments ban gun ownership as their first oppressive action. Prevent the uprising. This country would not be independent if it wasn’t for guns.

I own a few guns. I’m not a gun nut nor do I promote revolution, like you insinuate above. I have them for self defense. If anyone breaks in my house I want to be able to defend my family. What if a natural disasters take place and food supplies are cut off? People will do whatever it takes to get supplies and I want to be able to defend myself. They are also fun to shoot as a pass-time. I’m a financial analyst that sits in a cube, not some redneck the left love to portray as the only gun owners.

Your example above is invalid as guns don’t get up on their own and shoot people. People shoot people. Show me stats that more people on the right commit violence and I will listen. Jay Leno owns more cars than you but does that mean he drives more than you?

[Djshakes]

[quote=afx114]What is being lost in this discussion is not who is saying the the violent rhetoric, but who is listening to it.

Polls schmolls, but this CBS poll is interesting:

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?

Republican 28% yes, 64% no
Democrat 11% yes, 81% no
Indepdent 11% yes, 81% no

I know, I know, Dan Rather probably cooked up those numbers. But would anyone really disagree with them? Everyone knows which is the party of the 2nd Amendment and its “remedies.” They’ve been proud of that fact for decades. So much so that they’ve fought common-sense legislation meant to keep mentally unstable Army rejects from getting firearms without a license. This is the false equivalency to which I referred up-thread. Post as many inflammatory quotes from Democrats as you want, it doesn’t change the fact that the right is the side with all the guns.[/quote]

You act like owning a gun is a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that most oppressive governments ban gun ownership as their first oppressive action. Prevent the uprising. This country would not be independent if it wasn’t for guns.

I own a few guns. I’m not a gun nut nor do I promote revolution, like you insinuate above. I have them for self defense. If anyone breaks in my house I want to be able to defend my family. What if a natural disasters take place and food supplies are cut off? People will do whatever it takes to get supplies and I want to be able to defend myself. They are also fun to shoot as a pass-time. I’m a financial analyst that sits in a cube, not some redneck the left love to portray as the only gun owners.

Your example above is invalid as guns don’t get up on their own and shoot people. People shoot people. Show me stats that more people on the right commit violence and I will listen. Jay Leno owns more cars than you but does that mean he drives more than you?

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Where did I say owning a gun is a bad thing? I said that mentally disturbed people with a history of erratic behavior owning a gun is a bad thing. Big difference. Are you taking the position that it is a good thing that Jared Lee Loughner was able to purchase a firearm with no questions asked?

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Where did I say owning a gun is a bad thing? I said that mentally disturbed people with a history of erratic behavior owning a gun is a bad thing. Big difference. Are you taking the position that it is a good thing that Jared Lee Loughner was able to purchase a firearm with no questions asked?

[afx114]

Where did I say owning a gun is a bad thing? I said that mentally disturbed people with a history of erratic behavior owning a gun is a bad thing. Big difference. Are you taking the position that it is a good thing that Jared Lee Loughner was able to purchase a firearm with no questions asked?

[afx114]

Where did I say owning a gun is a bad thing? I said that mentally disturbed people with a history of erratic behavior owning a gun is a bad thing. Big difference. Are you taking the position that it is a good thing that Jared Lee Loughner was able to purchase a firearm with no questions asked?

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Where did I say owning a gun is a bad thing? I said that mentally disturbed people with a history of erratic behavior owning a gun is a bad thing. Big difference. Are you taking the position that it is a good thing that Jared Lee Loughner was able to purchase a firearm with no questions asked?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114]Where did I say owning a gun is a bad thing? I said that mentally disturbed people with a history of erratic behavior owning a gun is a bad thing. Big difference. Are you taking the position that it is a good thing that Jared Lee Loughner was able to purchase a firearm with no questions asked?[/quote]

Afx: I’m not up on Arizona laws regarding firearm purchasing and ownership, but I’m pretty sure that they have to comply with federal regulations, specifically BATF Form 4473, which does have a section on mental health. Yeah, I do understand that simply answering “No” when “Yes” is the correct answer won’t stop the Loughners of the world, but “no questions asked” isn’t correct, either.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114]Where did I say owning a gun is a bad thing? I said that mentally disturbed people with a history of erratic behavior owning a gun is a bad thing. Big difference. Are you taking the position that it is a good thing that Jared Lee Loughner was able to purchase a firearm with no questions asked?[/quote]

Afx: I’m not up on Arizona laws regarding firearm purchasing and ownership, but I’m pretty sure that they have to comply with federal regulations, specifically BATF Form 4473, which does have a section on mental health. Yeah, I do understand that simply answering “No” when “Yes” is the correct answer won’t stop the Loughners of the world, but “no questions asked” isn’t correct, either.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114]Where did I say owning a gun is a bad thing? I said that mentally disturbed people with a history of erratic behavior owning a gun is a bad thing. Big difference. Are you taking the position that it is a good thing that Jared Lee Loughner was able to purchase a firearm with no questions asked?[/quote]

Afx: I’m not up on Arizona laws regarding firearm purchasing and ownership, but I’m pretty sure that they have to comply with federal regulations, specifically BATF Form 4473, which does have a section on mental health. Yeah, I do understand that simply answering “No” when “Yes” is the correct answer won’t stop the Loughners of the world, but “no questions asked” isn’t correct, either.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114]Where did I say owning a gun is a bad thing? I said that mentally disturbed people with a history of erratic behavior owning a gun is a bad thing. Big difference. Are you taking the position that it is a good thing that Jared Lee Loughner was able to purchase a firearm with no questions asked?[/quote]

Afx: I’m not up on Arizona laws regarding firearm purchasing and ownership, but I’m pretty sure that they have to comply with federal regulations, specifically BATF Form 4473, which does have a section on mental health. Yeah, I do understand that simply answering “No” when “Yes” is the correct answer won’t stop the Loughners of the world, but “no questions asked” isn’t correct, either.

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