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January 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM #651691January 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM #650588
Djshakes
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Do you have hard evidence of Beck or Limbaugh inciting violence? I have never heard any, in fact, Beck’s talk show today was the exact opposite. I would ask the same thing of the people on the left you mention but I don’t listen to them (I don’t listen to Limbaugh either).
Seems he is quite anti-violence.
I guess here is the answer to the people on the left. It is motivational parody poster but still an authentic quote.
January 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM #650656Participant[quote=Djshakes]
Do you have hard evidence of Beck or Limbaugh inciting violence? I have never heard any, in fact, Beck’s talk show today was the exact opposite. I would ask the same thing of the people on the left you mention but I don’t listen to them (I don’t listen to Limbaugh either).
Seems he is quite anti-violence.
I guess here is the answer to the people on the left. It is motivational parody poster but still an authentic quote.
January 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM #651239Participant[quote=Djshakes]
Do you have hard evidence of Beck or Limbaugh inciting violence? I have never heard any, in fact, Beck’s talk show today was the exact opposite. I would ask the same thing of the people on the left you mention but I don’t listen to them (I don’t listen to Limbaugh either).
Seems he is quite anti-violence.
I guess here is the answer to the people on the left. It is motivational parody poster but still an authentic quote.
January 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM #651373Participant[quote=Djshakes]
Do you have hard evidence of Beck or Limbaugh inciting violence? I have never heard any, in fact, Beck’s talk show today was the exact opposite. I would ask the same thing of the people on the left you mention but I don’t listen to them (I don’t listen to Limbaugh either).
Seems he is quite anti-violence.
I guess here is the answer to the people on the left. It is motivational parody poster but still an authentic quote.
January 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM #651696Participant[quote=Djshakes]
Do you have hard evidence of Beck or Limbaugh inciting violence? I have never heard any, in fact, Beck’s talk show today was the exact opposite. I would ask the same thing of the people on the left you mention but I don’t listen to them (I don’t listen to Limbaugh either).
Seems he is quite anti-violence.
I guess here is the answer to the people on the left. It is motivational parody poster but still an authentic quote.
January 10, 2011 at 2:03 PM #650689ucodegen
Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
January 10, 2011 at 2:03 PM #650757Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
January 10, 2011 at 2:03 PM #651341Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
January 10, 2011 at 2:03 PM #651476Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
January 10, 2011 at 2:03 PM #651800Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
January 10, 2011 at 2:18 PM #650699Arraya
Participant[quote=jstoesz][quote=Arraya]Don’t get me wrong there are millions of mentally ill people that no harm to society and a toxic environment can trigger such things. Actually, the more it is looked at – a toxic environment can actually trigger the chemical imbalances.
I said back in the Joe Stack thread last year that I expect more incidents like this. It’s just the increasing toxicity of our culture driven by an untrustworthy power structure and systemic economic decay and complete desentization of violence.
The truth is that we live in a society which sanctions semi-electrocution of its own children on the grounds that it is not fatal, and therefore not true electrocution. It springs from the same streak of cultural cruelty that deems semi-drowning by water boarding not to be torture because it is seldom fatal.
In other news a predator drone killed 12 at a wedding party[/quote]
Arraya, you speak with impressive ignorance and simplicity. Maybe we should hang up the predator and go back to carpet bombing…the humane way to conduct war. Man if only we could go back to the days of General Curtis LeMay. Move over Albert Schweitzer, hello Lemay the finest humanitarian of the 20th century!
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
Actually I was talking about tasering
Tasers & Police in Schools
http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/tasers.htmlJanuary 10, 2011 at 2:18 PM #650767Participant[quote=jstoesz][quote=Arraya]Don’t get me wrong there are millions of mentally ill people that no harm to society and a toxic environment can trigger such things. Actually, the more it is looked at – a toxic environment can actually trigger the chemical imbalances.
I said back in the Joe Stack thread last year that I expect more incidents like this. It’s just the increasing toxicity of our culture driven by an untrustworthy power structure and systemic economic decay and complete desentization of violence.
The truth is that we live in a society which sanctions semi-electrocution of its own children on the grounds that it is not fatal, and therefore not true electrocution. It springs from the same streak of cultural cruelty that deems semi-drowning by water boarding not to be torture because it is seldom fatal.
In other news a predator drone killed 12 at a wedding party[/quote]
Arraya, you speak with impressive ignorance and simplicity. Maybe we should hang up the predator and go back to carpet bombing…the humane way to conduct war. Man if only we could go back to the days of General Curtis LeMay. Move over Albert Schweitzer, hello Lemay the finest humanitarian of the 20th century!
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
Actually I was talking about tasering
Tasers & Police in Schools
http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/tasers.htmlJanuary 10, 2011 at 2:18 PM #651351Participant[quote=jstoesz][quote=Arraya]Don’t get me wrong there are millions of mentally ill people that no harm to society and a toxic environment can trigger such things. Actually, the more it is looked at – a toxic environment can actually trigger the chemical imbalances.
I said back in the Joe Stack thread last year that I expect more incidents like this. It’s just the increasing toxicity of our culture driven by an untrustworthy power structure and systemic economic decay and complete desentization of violence.
The truth is that we live in a society which sanctions semi-electrocution of its own children on the grounds that it is not fatal, and therefore not true electrocution. It springs from the same streak of cultural cruelty that deems semi-drowning by water boarding not to be torture because it is seldom fatal.
In other news a predator drone killed 12 at a wedding party[/quote]
Arraya, you speak with impressive ignorance and simplicity. Maybe we should hang up the predator and go back to carpet bombing…the humane way to conduct war. Man if only we could go back to the days of General Curtis LeMay. Move over Albert Schweitzer, hello Lemay the finest humanitarian of the 20th century!
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
Actually I was talking about tasering
Tasers & Police in Schools
http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/tasers.htmlJanuary 10, 2011 at 2:18 PM #651486Participant[quote=jstoesz][quote=Arraya]Don’t get me wrong there are millions of mentally ill people that no harm to society and a toxic environment can trigger such things. Actually, the more it is looked at – a toxic environment can actually trigger the chemical imbalances.
I said back in the Joe Stack thread last year that I expect more incidents like this. It’s just the increasing toxicity of our culture driven by an untrustworthy power structure and systemic economic decay and complete desentization of violence.
The truth is that we live in a society which sanctions semi-electrocution of its own children on the grounds that it is not fatal, and therefore not true electrocution. It springs from the same streak of cultural cruelty that deems semi-drowning by water boarding not to be torture because it is seldom fatal.
In other news a predator drone killed 12 at a wedding party[/quote]
Arraya, you speak with impressive ignorance and simplicity. Maybe we should hang up the predator and go back to carpet bombing…the humane way to conduct war. Man if only we could go back to the days of General Curtis LeMay. Move over Albert Schweitzer, hello Lemay the finest humanitarian of the 20th century!
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
Actually I was talking about tasering
Tasers & Police in Schools
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