OT: Release of the DOJ torture transcripts.

[sd_matt]

Has it actually occurred? I don’t know. Funny thing is how much time is spent on debate as compared to fact finding.

[Arraya]

It’s not so much of the techniques used. Though, some are quite sickening and butal, It’s more the holding without trial for years at a time. Especially, since the multitude of Bush-ear creepy terrorist laws can be used against American citizens.

Also, you would think the constant harrassment and beatings could only yield so much information after, say, a few months. But after 5+ years it gets a little sadistic.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Full_testimony_of_Guantanamo_Bay_prisoner_0110.html

I was threatened with rape, attacks on my family in Saudi Arabia, my daughter being kidnapped, and my murder – assassination – by their spies in the Middle East if I went back to Saudi Arabia

They went to a detainee and started beating his head against the toilet rim until he lost consciousness and he could not see for more than 10 hours. He suffered facial spasms as a result. They went to a detainee when he was praying the maghrib (sunset) prayer and beat him severely. That was in isolation block I India. On that same day, they came and beat me.

There were many, many attempts to gouge the eyes of the detainees and to hit them in their private parts. They would beat them when they were ill and would hit them on their injuries.

These soldiers went and beat him very badly in the hospital in front of the doctors and nurses. His injuries were excessive and caused his spine to break. He is now hemiplegic. They are now trying to operate on him but he is refusing out of fear that they will play with his back and make it worse rather than make it better as their operations often do. These kinds of incidents happen often. They would make sending them to the detainees an excuse for incidents in which we would suffer extensive injuries, severe disfiguration and fractures as there was no one monitoring or following up their actions. Rather, their officers and officials gave them the orders. They tortured the detainees in the name of the law. There are too many incidents to mention or even count. Perhaps those I have mentioned are enough because many of these incidents have been mentioned in the media.

She took off her underpants, she was wearing a sanitary towel, and drops of her menstrual blood fell on me and then she assaulted me. I tried to fight her off but the soldiers held me down with the chains forcefully and ruthlessly so that they almost cut my hands. I spat at her on her face; she put her hand on her dirty menstrual blood that had fallen on my body and wiped it on my chest.

Our foreign policy is a morally bankrupt as our financial sector.

But some cynics darkly suspect that scenarios something like the one sketched out above have already been enacted; for instance, in the “new Pearl Harbor” that struck America on September 11, 2001 – one year after a group channeling the views of future Bush Administration bigwigs (including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Scooter Libby and many others) had openly pined for a “new Pear Harbor” to “catalyze” the American people into supporting their militarist agenda, which included an invasion of Iraq – whether Saddam Hussein was in power or not.

But leaving aside for now the ever-thorny matter of divining the varying proportion of connivance, acquiescence, foreknowledge, exploitation, incompetence and fate involved in 9/11, we can say this as an established fact: It is the policy of the United States government to provoke violent extremist groups into action. Once they are in play, their responses can then be used in whatever way the government that provoked them sees fit. And we also know that these provocations are being used, as a matter of deliberate policy, to rouse violent groups on the “Af-Pak” front to launch terrorist attacks.

[Arraya]

It’s not so much of the techniques used. Though, some are quite sickening and butal, It’s more the holding without trial for years at a time. Especially, since the multitude of Bush-ear creepy terrorist laws can be used against American citizens.

Also, you would think the constant harrassment and beatings could only yield so much information after, say, a few months. But after 5+ years it gets a little sadistic.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Full_testimony_of_Guantanamo_Bay_prisoner_0110.html

I was threatened with rape, attacks on my family in Saudi Arabia, my daughter being kidnapped, and my murder – assassination – by their spies in the Middle East if I went back to Saudi Arabia

They went to a detainee and started beating his head against the toilet rim until he lost consciousness and he could not see for more than 10 hours. He suffered facial spasms as a result. They went to a detainee when he was praying the maghrib (sunset) prayer and beat him severely. That was in isolation block I India. On that same day, they came and beat me.

There were many, many attempts to gouge the eyes of the detainees and to hit them in their private parts. They would beat them when they were ill and would hit them on their injuries.

These soldiers went and beat him very badly in the hospital in front of the doctors and nurses. His injuries were excessive and caused his spine to break. He is now hemiplegic. They are now trying to operate on him but he is refusing out of fear that they will play with his back and make it worse rather than make it better as their operations often do. These kinds of incidents happen often. They would make sending them to the detainees an excuse for incidents in which we would suffer extensive injuries, severe disfiguration and fractures as there was no one monitoring or following up their actions. Rather, their officers and officials gave them the orders. They tortured the detainees in the name of the law. There are too many incidents to mention or even count. Perhaps those I have mentioned are enough because many of these incidents have been mentioned in the media.

She took off her underpants, she was wearing a sanitary towel, and drops of her menstrual blood fell on me and then she assaulted me. I tried to fight her off but the soldiers held me down with the chains forcefully and ruthlessly so that they almost cut my hands. I spat at her on her face; she put her hand on her dirty menstrual blood that had fallen on my body and wiped it on my chest.

Our foreign policy is a morally bankrupt as our financial sector.

But some cynics darkly suspect that scenarios something like the one sketched out above have already been enacted; for instance, in the “new Pearl Harbor” that struck America on September 11, 2001 – one year after a group channeling the views of future Bush Administration bigwigs (including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Scooter Libby and many others) had openly pined for a “new Pear Harbor” to “catalyze” the American people into supporting their militarist agenda, which included an invasion of Iraq – whether Saddam Hussein was in power or not.

But leaving aside for now the ever-thorny matter of divining the varying proportion of connivance, acquiescence, foreknowledge, exploitation, incompetence and fate involved in 9/11, we can say this as an established fact: It is the policy of the United States government to provoke violent extremist groups into action. Once they are in play, their responses can then be used in whatever way the government that provoked them sees fit. And we also know that these provocations are being used, as a matter of deliberate policy, to rouse violent groups on the “Af-Pak” front to launch terrorist attacks.

[Arraya]

It’s not so much of the techniques used. Though, some are quite sickening and butal, It’s more the holding without trial for years at a time. Especially, since the multitude of Bush-ear creepy terrorist laws can be used against American citizens.

Also, you would think the constant harrassment and beatings could only yield so much information after, say, a few months. But after 5+ years it gets a little sadistic.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Full_testimony_of_Guantanamo_Bay_prisoner_0110.html

I was threatened with rape, attacks on my family in Saudi Arabia, my daughter being kidnapped, and my murder – assassination – by their spies in the Middle East if I went back to Saudi Arabia

They went to a detainee and started beating his head against the toilet rim until he lost consciousness and he could not see for more than 10 hours. He suffered facial spasms as a result. They went to a detainee when he was praying the maghrib (sunset) prayer and beat him severely. That was in isolation block I India. On that same day, they came and beat me.

There were many, many attempts to gouge the eyes of the detainees and to hit them in their private parts. They would beat them when they were ill and would hit them on their injuries.

These soldiers went and beat him very badly in the hospital in front of the doctors and nurses. His injuries were excessive and caused his spine to break. He is now hemiplegic. They are now trying to operate on him but he is refusing out of fear that they will play with his back and make it worse rather than make it better as their operations often do. These kinds of incidents happen often. They would make sending them to the detainees an excuse for incidents in which we would suffer extensive injuries, severe disfiguration and fractures as there was no one monitoring or following up their actions. Rather, their officers and officials gave them the orders. They tortured the detainees in the name of the law. There are too many incidents to mention or even count. Perhaps those I have mentioned are enough because many of these incidents have been mentioned in the media.

She took off her underpants, she was wearing a sanitary towel, and drops of her menstrual blood fell on me and then she assaulted me. I tried to fight her off but the soldiers held me down with the chains forcefully and ruthlessly so that they almost cut my hands. I spat at her on her face; she put her hand on her dirty menstrual blood that had fallen on my body and wiped it on my chest.

Our foreign policy is a morally bankrupt as our financial sector.

But some cynics darkly suspect that scenarios something like the one sketched out above have already been enacted; for instance, in the “new Pearl Harbor” that struck America on September 11, 2001 – one year after a group channeling the views of future Bush Administration bigwigs (including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Scooter Libby and many others) had openly pined for a “new Pear Harbor” to “catalyze” the American people into supporting their militarist agenda, which included an invasion of Iraq – whether Saddam Hussein was in power or not.

But leaving aside for now the ever-thorny matter of divining the varying proportion of connivance, acquiescence, foreknowledge, exploitation, incompetence and fate involved in 9/11, we can say this as an established fact: It is the policy of the United States government to provoke violent extremist groups into action. Once they are in play, their responses can then be used in whatever way the government that provoked them sees fit. And we also know that these provocations are being used, as a matter of deliberate policy, to rouse violent groups on the “Af-Pak” front to launch terrorist attacks.

[Arraya]

It’s not so much of the techniques used. Though, some are quite sickening and butal, It’s more the holding without trial for years at a time. Especially, since the multitude of Bush-ear creepy terrorist laws can be used against American citizens.

Also, you would think the constant harrassment and beatings could only yield so much information after, say, a few months. But after 5+ years it gets a little sadistic.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Full_testimony_of_Guantanamo_Bay_prisoner_0110.html

I was threatened with rape, attacks on my family in Saudi Arabia, my daughter being kidnapped, and my murder – assassination – by their spies in the Middle East if I went back to Saudi Arabia

They went to a detainee and started beating his head against the toilet rim until he lost consciousness and he could not see for more than 10 hours. He suffered facial spasms as a result. They went to a detainee when he was praying the maghrib (sunset) prayer and beat him severely. That was in isolation block I India. On that same day, they came and beat me.

There were many, many attempts to gouge the eyes of the detainees and to hit them in their private parts. They would beat them when they were ill and would hit them on their injuries.

These soldiers went and beat him very badly in the hospital in front of the doctors and nurses. His injuries were excessive and caused his spine to break. He is now hemiplegic. They are now trying to operate on him but he is refusing out of fear that they will play with his back and make it worse rather than make it better as their operations often do. These kinds of incidents happen often. They would make sending them to the detainees an excuse for incidents in which we would suffer extensive injuries, severe disfiguration and fractures as there was no one monitoring or following up their actions. Rather, their officers and officials gave them the orders. They tortured the detainees in the name of the law. There are too many incidents to mention or even count. Perhaps those I have mentioned are enough because many of these incidents have been mentioned in the media.

She took off her underpants, she was wearing a sanitary towel, and drops of her menstrual blood fell on me and then she assaulted me. I tried to fight her off but the soldiers held me down with the chains forcefully and ruthlessly so that they almost cut my hands. I spat at her on her face; she put her hand on her dirty menstrual blood that had fallen on my body and wiped it on my chest.

Our foreign policy is a morally bankrupt as our financial sector.

But some cynics darkly suspect that scenarios something like the one sketched out above have already been enacted; for instance, in the “new Pearl Harbor” that struck America on September 11, 2001 – one year after a group channeling the views of future Bush Administration bigwigs (including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Scooter Libby and many others) had openly pined for a “new Pear Harbor” to “catalyze” the American people into supporting their militarist agenda, which included an invasion of Iraq – whether Saddam Hussein was in power or not.

But leaving aside for now the ever-thorny matter of divining the varying proportion of connivance, acquiescence, foreknowledge, exploitation, incompetence and fate involved in 9/11, we can say this as an established fact: It is the policy of the United States government to provoke violent extremist groups into action. Once they are in play, their responses can then be used in whatever way the government that provoked them sees fit. And we also know that these provocations are being used, as a matter of deliberate policy, to rouse violent groups on the “Af-Pak” front to launch terrorist attacks.

[Arraya]

It’s not so much of the techniques used. Though, some are quite sickening and butal, It’s more the holding without trial for years at a time. Especially, since the multitude of Bush-ear creepy terrorist laws can be used against American citizens.

Also, you would think the constant harrassment and beatings could only yield so much information after, say, a few months. But after 5+ years it gets a little sadistic.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Full_testimony_of_Guantanamo_Bay_prisoner_0110.html

I was threatened with rape, attacks on my family in Saudi Arabia, my daughter being kidnapped, and my murder – assassination – by their spies in the Middle East if I went back to Saudi Arabia

They went to a detainee and started beating his head against the toilet rim until he lost consciousness and he could not see for more than 10 hours. He suffered facial spasms as a result. They went to a detainee when he was praying the maghrib (sunset) prayer and beat him severely. That was in isolation block I India. On that same day, they came and beat me.

There were many, many attempts to gouge the eyes of the detainees and to hit them in their private parts. They would beat them when they were ill and would hit them on their injuries.

These soldiers went and beat him very badly in the hospital in front of the doctors and nurses. His injuries were excessive and caused his spine to break. He is now hemiplegic. They are now trying to operate on him but he is refusing out of fear that they will play with his back and make it worse rather than make it better as their operations often do. These kinds of incidents happen often. They would make sending them to the detainees an excuse for incidents in which we would suffer extensive injuries, severe disfiguration and fractures as there was no one monitoring or following up their actions. Rather, their officers and officials gave them the orders. They tortured the detainees in the name of the law. There are too many incidents to mention or even count. Perhaps those I have mentioned are enough because many of these incidents have been mentioned in the media.

She took off her underpants, she was wearing a sanitary towel, and drops of her menstrual blood fell on me and then she assaulted me. I tried to fight her off but the soldiers held me down with the chains forcefully and ruthlessly so that they almost cut my hands. I spat at her on her face; she put her hand on her dirty menstrual blood that had fallen on my body and wiped it on my chest.

Our foreign policy is a morally bankrupt as our financial sector.

But some cynics darkly suspect that scenarios something like the one sketched out above have already been enacted; for instance, in the “new Pearl Harbor” that struck America on September 11, 2001 – one year after a group channeling the views of future Bush Administration bigwigs (including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Scooter Libby and many others) had openly pined for a “new Pear Harbor” to “catalyze” the American people into supporting their militarist agenda, which included an invasion of Iraq – whether Saddam Hussein was in power or not.

But leaving aside for now the ever-thorny matter of divining the varying proportion of connivance, acquiescence, foreknowledge, exploitation, incompetence and fate involved in 9/11, we can say this as an established fact: It is the policy of the United States government to provoke violent extremist groups into action. Once they are in play, their responses can then be used in whatever way the government that provoked them sees fit. And we also know that these provocations are being used, as a matter of deliberate policy, to rouse violent groups on the “Af-Pak” front to launch terrorist attacks.

[svelte]

Man, I think it is pretty warped to compare torture to sex. Sex is between two consenting persons…torture, I’m pretty sure, isn’t.

And last I knew, our government wasn’t creating porn, but it was torturing.

I really don’t want my government creating porn or torture, personally.

Though non-govt-sponsored porn is A-OK by me. Not so with torture.

[svelte]

Man, I think it is pretty warped to compare torture to sex. Sex is between two consenting persons…torture, I’m pretty sure, isn’t.

And last I knew, our government wasn’t creating porn, but it was torturing.

I really don’t want my government creating porn or torture, personally.

Though non-govt-sponsored porn is A-OK by me. Not so with torture.

[svelte]

Man, I think it is pretty warped to compare torture to sex. Sex is between two consenting persons…torture, I’m pretty sure, isn’t.

And last I knew, our government wasn’t creating porn, but it was torturing.

I really don’t want my government creating porn or torture, personally.

Though non-govt-sponsored porn is A-OK by me. Not so with torture.

[svelte]

Man, I think it is pretty warped to compare torture to sex. Sex is between two consenting persons…torture, I’m pretty sure, isn’t.

And last I knew, our government wasn’t creating porn, but it was torturing.

I really don’t want my government creating porn or torture, personally.

Though non-govt-sponsored porn is A-OK by me. Not so with torture.

[svelte]

Man, I think it is pretty warped to compare torture to sex. Sex is between two consenting persons…torture, I’m pretty sure, isn’t.

And last I knew, our government wasn’t creating porn, but it was torturing.

I really don’t want my government creating porn or torture, personally.

Though non-govt-sponsored porn is A-OK by me. Not so with torture.

[temeculaguy]

svelte, it was an analogy, not a comparison. I am warped, but that is not relevent for purposes of this discussion, using an unrelated topic to illustrate how something can be offensive to some and not to others, or offensive but neccesary, made it the perfect choice. There are only a handful of subjects that I use for analogies (wine, women, cigars, porn, sports), and of those five essential keys to happiness, it seemed the most aplicable at the time.

[temeculaguy]

svelte, it was an analogy, not a comparison. I am warped, but that is not relevent for purposes of this discussion, using an unrelated topic to illustrate how something can be offensive to some and not to others, or offensive but neccesary, made it the perfect choice. There are only a handful of subjects that I use for analogies (wine, women, cigars, porn, sports), and of those five essential keys to happiness, it seemed the most aplicable at the time.

[temeculaguy]

svelte, it was an analogy, not a comparison. I am warped, but that is not relevent for purposes of this discussion, using an unrelated topic to illustrate how something can be offensive to some and not to others, or offensive but neccesary, made it the perfect choice. There are only a handful of subjects that I use for analogies (wine, women, cigars, porn, sports), and of those five essential keys to happiness, it seemed the most aplicable at the time.

[temeculaguy]

svelte, it was an analogy, not a comparison. I am warped, but that is not relevent for purposes of this discussion, using an unrelated topic to illustrate how something can be offensive to some and not to others, or offensive but neccesary, made it the perfect choice. There are only a handful of subjects that I use for analogies (wine, women, cigars, porn, sports), and of those five essential keys to happiness, it seemed the most aplicable at the time.

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