OT: Release of the DOJ torture transcripts.

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Just today it has been reported that Dick Cheney asked that the Obama administration release the complete info on the interrogation activities. His reason was to demonstrate the valuable intelligence was gathered and what this information helped prevent.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for this info to be released. The Obama administration isn’t about to produce any info that contradicts one of their main arguments, that “torture” doesn’t work or result in reliable info.

Next, the techniques used to gain this information did not fit the strict definition of torture. Torture, strictly defined is required to cause either permanent physical or psychological damage to the subject. The techniques we have and still use do not cause either.

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I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.

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I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.

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I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.

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I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.

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I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.

[felix]

[quote=afx114]I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.[/quote]

We’re still waiting for the transparency Obama promised.

As a Chicago native I’m keenly interested in transparency. I’m still waiting for whatever was said between our former Governor Blago and Obama or his surrogates like, Emmanuel, and our new Senator Burris, but no one’s talking.

I’m still waiting for Obama to produce his birth records or for Obama to let us know whatever he did traveling the world and how he managed to pay for such.

I would welcome transparency for things and many other things that don’t compromise security.

Otoh I’m not too keen on letting our enemies know what we do or don’t do to get info. Letting them know what we do only lets them prepare for such and it lets them know what we won’t do, which only takes away the psychological advantage from our interrogators.

Why you find it ironic that anyone would not want things that compromise our intelligence gathering and/or security to come out but welcomes info demonstrating how effective our info gathering is is really puzzling.

There is no irony involved at all.

[felix]

[quote=afx114]I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.[/quote]

We’re still waiting for the transparency Obama promised.

As a Chicago native I’m keenly interested in transparency. I’m still waiting for whatever was said between our former Governor Blago and Obama or his surrogates like, Emmanuel, and our new Senator Burris, but no one’s talking.

I’m still waiting for Obama to produce his birth records or for Obama to let us know whatever he did traveling the world and how he managed to pay for such.

I would welcome transparency for things and many other things that don’t compromise security.

Otoh I’m not too keen on letting our enemies know what we do or don’t do to get info. Letting them know what we do only lets them prepare for such and it lets them know what we won’t do, which only takes away the psychological advantage from our interrogators.

Why you find it ironic that anyone would not want things that compromise our intelligence gathering and/or security to come out but welcomes info demonstrating how effective our info gathering is is really puzzling.

There is no irony involved at all.

[felix]

[quote=afx114]I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.[/quote]

We’re still waiting for the transparency Obama promised.

As a Chicago native I’m keenly interested in transparency. I’m still waiting for whatever was said between our former Governor Blago and Obama or his surrogates like, Emmanuel, and our new Senator Burris, but no one’s talking.

I’m still waiting for Obama to produce his birth records or for Obama to let us know whatever he did traveling the world and how he managed to pay for such.

I would welcome transparency for things and many other things that don’t compromise security.

Otoh I’m not too keen on letting our enemies know what we do or don’t do to get info. Letting them know what we do only lets them prepare for such and it lets them know what we won’t do, which only takes away the psychological advantage from our interrogators.

Why you find it ironic that anyone would not want things that compromise our intelligence gathering and/or security to come out but welcomes info demonstrating how effective our info gathering is is really puzzling.

There is no irony involved at all.

[felix]

[quote=afx114]I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.[/quote]

We’re still waiting for the transparency Obama promised.

As a Chicago native I’m keenly interested in transparency. I’m still waiting for whatever was said between our former Governor Blago and Obama or his surrogates like, Emmanuel, and our new Senator Burris, but no one’s talking.

I’m still waiting for Obama to produce his birth records or for Obama to let us know whatever he did traveling the world and how he managed to pay for such.

I would welcome transparency for things and many other things that don’t compromise security.

Otoh I’m not too keen on letting our enemies know what we do or don’t do to get info. Letting them know what we do only lets them prepare for such and it lets them know what we won’t do, which only takes away the psychological advantage from our interrogators.

Why you find it ironic that anyone would not want things that compromise our intelligence gathering and/or security to come out but welcomes info demonstrating how effective our info gathering is is really puzzling.

There is no irony involved at all.

[felix]

[quote=afx114]I hope that Obama does release the complete info. Transparency is a good thing. Lets find out exactly what went on and whether or not it was effective. How else are we supposed to make education decisions on things if we don’t have all of the info? I do, however, find it ironic that the same crowd who claimed that releasing any information would put America at risk are now asking for more to be released. Welcome to the world of politics, I guess.[/quote]

We’re still waiting for the transparency Obama promised.

As a Chicago native I’m keenly interested in transparency. I’m still waiting for whatever was said between our former Governor Blago and Obama or his surrogates like, Emmanuel, and our new Senator Burris, but no one’s talking.

I’m still waiting for Obama to produce his birth records or for Obama to let us know whatever he did traveling the world and how he managed to pay for such.

I would welcome transparency for things and many other things that don’t compromise security.

Otoh I’m not too keen on letting our enemies know what we do or don’t do to get info. Letting them know what we do only lets them prepare for such and it lets them know what we won’t do, which only takes away the psychological advantage from our interrogators.

Why you find it ironic that anyone would not want things that compromise our intelligence gathering and/or security to come out but welcomes info demonstrating how effective our info gathering is is really puzzling.

There is no irony involved at all.

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It says something about our society that we enjoy discussing torture techniques so much. What is torture, what isn’t torture, when you should torture, why you should torture, what sort of techniques are most effective, etc… It’s all over the TV, on talk radio, and even on a freaking housing bubble blog. There are unbelievably popular movies like the Saw and Hostel series that are nothing but a bunch of torture scenes stitched together. The French make movies about people cheating on their wives and we make movies about pulling each other’s eyes out. Let’s just come right out and say it:

We’re Americans and we love torture. We love thinking about it, we love talking about it, and we even occasionally enjoy doing it (but only when it’s really necessary. It isn’t a black&white world, you know!)

[blahblahblah]

It says something about our society that we enjoy discussing torture techniques so much. What is torture, what isn’t torture, when you should torture, why you should torture, what sort of techniques are most effective, etc… It’s all over the TV, on talk radio, and even on a freaking housing bubble blog. There are unbelievably popular movies like the Saw and Hostel series that are nothing but a bunch of torture scenes stitched together. The French make movies about people cheating on their wives and we make movies about pulling each other’s eyes out. Let’s just come right out and say it:

We’re Americans and we love torture. We love thinking about it, we love talking about it, and we even occasionally enjoy doing it (but only when it’s really necessary. It isn’t a black&white world, you know!)

[blahblahblah]

It says something about our society that we enjoy discussing torture techniques so much. What is torture, what isn’t torture, when you should torture, why you should torture, what sort of techniques are most effective, etc… It’s all over the TV, on talk radio, and even on a freaking housing bubble blog. There are unbelievably popular movies like the Saw and Hostel series that are nothing but a bunch of torture scenes stitched together. The French make movies about people cheating on their wives and we make movies about pulling each other’s eyes out. Let’s just come right out and say it:

We’re Americans and we love torture. We love thinking about it, we love talking about it, and we even occasionally enjoy doing it (but only when it’s really necessary. It isn’t a black&white world, you know!)

[blahblahblah]

It says something about our society that we enjoy discussing torture techniques so much. What is torture, what isn’t torture, when you should torture, why you should torture, what sort of techniques are most effective, etc… It’s all over the TV, on talk radio, and even on a freaking housing bubble blog. There are unbelievably popular movies like the Saw and Hostel series that are nothing but a bunch of torture scenes stitched together. The French make movies about people cheating on their wives and we make movies about pulling each other’s eyes out. Let’s just come right out and say it:

We’re Americans and we love torture. We love thinking about it, we love talking about it, and we even occasionally enjoy doing it (but only when it’s really necessary. It isn’t a black&white world, you know!)

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