OT: Public pay & benefits

[teaboy]

[quote=jpinpb]
I have not applied for the job. I have done several ride-alongs and decided whatever those guys get paid, it’s not enough and they can keep that job. It is hard work, long hours, stressful, not to mention risky. I wouldn’t do it and there’s not enough money they can pay me to do it. Clearly, they’re not paying enough to entice you to do it either, so I appreciate your honesty there, and I would venture others here wouldn’t do it.

I have even less interest in becoming a fireman/paramedic. However many hours they are not fighting a fire pales in comparison to when they are actually doing it. I wouldn’t want to fight a fire even for 10 minutes.

I have often thought of teaching, but I don’t know if I have the patience to do it. There also, I don’t know how a teacher could afford a house in a decent part of San Diego on their salary.[/quote]

I cannot believe this argument comes from an educated mind.
I have seen what sewer plumbers have to deal with, but I neither want to be one, nor pay them 6 figures with fully funded pension and lifetime healthcare. Is this a paradox? no.

tb

[jpinpb]

CAR – Thanks for reminding me. I want to address that myth also. MANY people in SDPD were leaving to go to other departments that were paying more: Chula Vista, Sheriff’s, etc. It was hard to keep them working w/SDPD. Many cities were offering bonuses if they left and came to work for them.

I do blame the city in this regard b/c the city was stupid to not have new recruits sign contracts. In L.A. you have to sign a 5 year contract and agree to not leave. If you don’t like the job and want to quit or leave for whatever reason, you have to pay them back for all the training. Not sure what it amounts to. They also will not release your post certificate.

Edit: Just checked and it’s 60k for the training if they leave early.

[jpinpb]

CAR – Thanks for reminding me. I want to address that myth also. MANY people in SDPD were leaving to go to other departments that were paying more: Chula Vista, Sheriff’s, etc. It was hard to keep them working w/SDPD. Many cities were offering bonuses if they left and came to work for them.

I do blame the city in this regard b/c the city was stupid to not have new recruits sign contracts. In L.A. you have to sign a 5 year contract and agree to not leave. If you don’t like the job and want to quit or leave for whatever reason, you have to pay them back for all the training. Not sure what it amounts to. They also will not release your post certificate.

Edit: Just checked and it’s 60k for the training if they leave early.

[jpinpb]

CAR – Thanks for reminding me. I want to address that myth also. MANY people in SDPD were leaving to go to other departments that were paying more: Chula Vista, Sheriff’s, etc. It was hard to keep them working w/SDPD. Many cities were offering bonuses if they left and came to work for them.

I do blame the city in this regard b/c the city was stupid to not have new recruits sign contracts. In L.A. you have to sign a 5 year contract and agree to not leave. If you don’t like the job and want to quit or leave for whatever reason, you have to pay them back for all the training. Not sure what it amounts to. They also will not release your post certificate.

Edit: Just checked and it’s 60k for the training if they leave early.

[jpinpb]

CAR – Thanks for reminding me. I want to address that myth also. MANY people in SDPD were leaving to go to other departments that were paying more: Chula Vista, Sheriff’s, etc. It was hard to keep them working w/SDPD. Many cities were offering bonuses if they left and came to work for them.

I do blame the city in this regard b/c the city was stupid to not have new recruits sign contracts. In L.A. you have to sign a 5 year contract and agree to not leave. If you don’t like the job and want to quit or leave for whatever reason, you have to pay them back for all the training. Not sure what it amounts to. They also will not release your post certificate.

Edit: Just checked and it’s 60k for the training if they leave early.

[jpinpb]

CAR – Thanks for reminding me. I want to address that myth also. MANY people in SDPD were leaving to go to other departments that were paying more: Chula Vista, Sheriff’s, etc. It was hard to keep them working w/SDPD. Many cities were offering bonuses if they left and came to work for them.

I do blame the city in this regard b/c the city was stupid to not have new recruits sign contracts. In L.A. you have to sign a 5 year contract and agree to not leave. If you don’t like the job and want to quit or leave for whatever reason, you have to pay them back for all the training. Not sure what it amounts to. They also will not release your post certificate.

Edit: Just checked and it’s 60k for the training if they leave early.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.[/quote]

Again, no one’s saying the jobs are “easy.” But “overcompensated” is a different subject, entirely. Overcompensated is a supply and demand issue. “Easy” is personal and subjective. If there are lots of people qualified and capable of doing a job for less money than the stated compensation, then that compensation just might be too high.

I’m 100% certain that the folks I do work for would hire someone else to do the work for less money if they could get the same quality. Why that shouldn’t apply to public sector jobs, I don’t know.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.[/quote]

Again, no one’s saying the jobs are “easy.” But “overcompensated” is a different subject, entirely. Overcompensated is a supply and demand issue. “Easy” is personal and subjective. If there are lots of people qualified and capable of doing a job for less money than the stated compensation, then that compensation just might be too high.

I’m 100% certain that the folks I do work for would hire someone else to do the work for less money if they could get the same quality. Why that shouldn’t apply to public sector jobs, I don’t know.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.[/quote]

Again, no one’s saying the jobs are “easy.” But “overcompensated” is a different subject, entirely. Overcompensated is a supply and demand issue. “Easy” is personal and subjective. If there are lots of people qualified and capable of doing a job for less money than the stated compensation, then that compensation just might be too high.

I’m 100% certain that the folks I do work for would hire someone else to do the work for less money if they could get the same quality. Why that shouldn’t apply to public sector jobs, I don’t know.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.[/quote]

Again, no one’s saying the jobs are “easy.” But “overcompensated” is a different subject, entirely. Overcompensated is a supply and demand issue. “Easy” is personal and subjective. If there are lots of people qualified and capable of doing a job for less money than the stated compensation, then that compensation just might be too high.

I’m 100% certain that the folks I do work for would hire someone else to do the work for less money if they could get the same quality. Why that shouldn’t apply to public sector jobs, I don’t know.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]

The only people who think these are easy jobs are the ones who have never done them. Sorry, but the whining needs to stop. If anyone thinks it’s so easy, give up the realtor/flipper jobs during the bubbles and apply. Let’s hear you talk about how easy and overcompensated it is after you’ve actually had some experience with it.[/quote]

Again, no one’s saying the jobs are “easy.” But “overcompensated” is a different subject, entirely. Overcompensated is a supply and demand issue. “Easy” is personal and subjective. If there are lots of people qualified and capable of doing a job for less money than the stated compensation, then that compensation just might be too high.

I’m 100% certain that the folks I do work for would hire someone else to do the work for less money if they could get the same quality. Why that shouldn’t apply to public sector jobs, I don’t know.

[Anonymous]

Ah, but it does. Read CAR’s point. In good times it is hard to draw and retain people because they will make MORE money in the public sector. When middle class jobs dissappear everybody wants the public job. How do Cities/States draw “Good” talent pool? with benefits. Now you want to question those contracts when times are bad. Well they will diminsh (benefits) and for now that will work. But in the next upswing (up for debate when that will be) there will be a shortage. Teachers, firefighters, police, etc… then what? Continue to offer crap wages and HOPE somoeone will take it OR lower your requirements for talent. Well i would rather have a guy saving my life who knows what to do. YOU?

[Anonymous]

Ah, but it does. Read CAR’s point. In good times it is hard to draw and retain people because they will make MORE money in the public sector. When middle class jobs dissappear everybody wants the public job. How do Cities/States draw “Good” talent pool? with benefits. Now you want to question those contracts when times are bad. Well they will diminsh (benefits) and for now that will work. But in the next upswing (up for debate when that will be) there will be a shortage. Teachers, firefighters, police, etc… then what? Continue to offer crap wages and HOPE somoeone will take it OR lower your requirements for talent. Well i would rather have a guy saving my life who knows what to do. YOU?

[Anonymous]

Ah, but it does. Read CAR’s point. In good times it is hard to draw and retain people because they will make MORE money in the public sector. When middle class jobs dissappear everybody wants the public job. How do Cities/States draw “Good” talent pool? with benefits. Now you want to question those contracts when times are bad. Well they will diminsh (benefits) and for now that will work. But in the next upswing (up for debate when that will be) there will be a shortage. Teachers, firefighters, police, etc… then what? Continue to offer crap wages and HOPE somoeone will take it OR lower your requirements for talent. Well i would rather have a guy saving my life who knows what to do. YOU?

[Anonymous]

Ah, but it does. Read CAR’s point. In good times it is hard to draw and retain people because they will make MORE money in the public sector. When middle class jobs dissappear everybody wants the public job. How do Cities/States draw “Good” talent pool? with benefits. Now you want to question those contracts when times are bad. Well they will diminsh (benefits) and for now that will work. But in the next upswing (up for debate when that will be) there will be a shortage. Teachers, firefighters, police, etc… then what? Continue to offer crap wages and HOPE somoeone will take it OR lower your requirements for talent. Well i would rather have a guy saving my life who knows what to do. YOU?

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