OT: plastic bag ban rejected

[UCGal]

I used to use the cotton bags – but they flop too much. Costco has returned the best reusable bags for sale… they’re blue nylon with red handles – they have a flat bottom when they’re open. They have slots for 4 wine bottles on the side. They are INCREDIBLY strong and can be packed full. Because of the flat bottom and the stiffness of the nylon – they can be put in the back of a car and not flop over, rolling all the contents around the back.

These are NOT to be confused with the awful green costco branded reusable bags… those are too big/unwieldy and have the same floppiness of the cotton bags.

These blue ones are inexpensive. I think it’s 5 bags for $6 or something. I bought 10 of them when they first had them 4 years ago… then they switched out to these oversized green ones that were useless… I recently purchased more blue ones when I saw they had them in stock again.

We use them for groceries, for hauling sporting gear, etc…

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Oh – and they can be wiped down easily if you’re worried about salmonella… I spray with diluted vinegar and wipe them down.

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[quote=flu]
CA is one bureaucratic state. There’s a bunch of self interest groups that will prevent most things from passing…And something does pass…It doesn’t matter anyway, because there’s always an opposition group that will just file a bunch of lawsuits to have it overturned by a judge anyway.
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Ok, thanks for clarifying, I understand what you mean now.

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[quote=flu]
CA is one bureaucratic state. There’s a bunch of self interest groups that will prevent most things from passing…And something does pass…It doesn’t matter anyway, because there’s always an opposition group that will just file a bunch of lawsuits to have it overturned by a judge anyway.
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Ok, thanks for clarifying, I understand what you mean now.

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[quote=flu]
CA is one bureaucratic state. There’s a bunch of self interest groups that will prevent most things from passing…And something does pass…It doesn’t matter anyway, because there’s always an opposition group that will just file a bunch of lawsuits to have it overturned by a judge anyway.
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Ok, thanks for clarifying, I understand what you mean now.

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[quote=flu]
CA is one bureaucratic state. There’s a bunch of self interest groups that will prevent most things from passing…And something does pass…It doesn’t matter anyway, because there’s always an opposition group that will just file a bunch of lawsuits to have it overturned by a judge anyway.
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Ok, thanks for clarifying, I understand what you mean now.

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[quote=flu]
CA is one bureaucratic state. There’s a bunch of self interest groups that will prevent most things from passing…And something does pass…It doesn’t matter anyway, because there’s always an opposition group that will just file a bunch of lawsuits to have it overturned by a judge anyway.
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Ok, thanks for clarifying, I understand what you mean now.

[meadandale]

Seems to me that buying reusable PLASTIC bags is kind of defeating the purpose of being green. Plastic -> petroleum. Cotton/Hemp -> renewable agricultural product.

And, as flu said, the only time I wash my bags is if something spills. You can get a small cooler tote for bringing home meat and other things that tend to leak and use the cotton produce bags and grocery bags for dry goods and produce.

And, I don’t consider washing a cotton bag occasionally anywhere near as energy wasteful as single use plastic bags. I have a friend with kids that does at least a dozen loads of wash a week. Throwing a couple of extra bags in with his wash occasionally isn’t going to throw the earth of it’s axis.

[meadandale]

Seems to me that buying reusable PLASTIC bags is kind of defeating the purpose of being green. Plastic -> petroleum. Cotton/Hemp -> renewable agricultural product.

And, as flu said, the only time I wash my bags is if something spills. You can get a small cooler tote for bringing home meat and other things that tend to leak and use the cotton produce bags and grocery bags for dry goods and produce.

And, I don’t consider washing a cotton bag occasionally anywhere near as energy wasteful as single use plastic bags. I have a friend with kids that does at least a dozen loads of wash a week. Throwing a couple of extra bags in with his wash occasionally isn’t going to throw the earth of it’s axis.

[meadandale]

Seems to me that buying reusable PLASTIC bags is kind of defeating the purpose of being green. Plastic -> petroleum. Cotton/Hemp -> renewable agricultural product.

And, as flu said, the only time I wash my bags is if something spills. You can get a small cooler tote for bringing home meat and other things that tend to leak and use the cotton produce bags and grocery bags for dry goods and produce.

And, I don’t consider washing a cotton bag occasionally anywhere near as energy wasteful as single use plastic bags. I have a friend with kids that does at least a dozen loads of wash a week. Throwing a couple of extra bags in with his wash occasionally isn’t going to throw the earth of it’s axis.

[meadandale]

Seems to me that buying reusable PLASTIC bags is kind of defeating the purpose of being green. Plastic -> petroleum. Cotton/Hemp -> renewable agricultural product.

And, as flu said, the only time I wash my bags is if something spills. You can get a small cooler tote for bringing home meat and other things that tend to leak and use the cotton produce bags and grocery bags for dry goods and produce.

And, I don’t consider washing a cotton bag occasionally anywhere near as energy wasteful as single use plastic bags. I have a friend with kids that does at least a dozen loads of wash a week. Throwing a couple of extra bags in with his wash occasionally isn’t going to throw the earth of it’s axis.

[meadandale]

Seems to me that buying reusable PLASTIC bags is kind of defeating the purpose of being green. Plastic -> petroleum. Cotton/Hemp -> renewable agricultural product.

And, as flu said, the only time I wash my bags is if something spills. You can get a small cooler tote for bringing home meat and other things that tend to leak and use the cotton produce bags and grocery bags for dry goods and produce.

And, I don’t consider washing a cotton bag occasionally anywhere near as energy wasteful as single use plastic bags. I have a friend with kids that does at least a dozen loads of wash a week. Throwing a couple of extra bags in with his wash occasionally isn’t going to throw the earth of it’s axis.

[UCGal]

[quote=meadandale]Seems to me that buying reusable PLASTIC bags is kind of defeating the purpose of being green. Plastic -> petroleum. Cotton/Hemp -> renewable agricultural product.[/quote]

There are two thoughts on this. If you are reusing (and reusing and reusing…) then you are not depleting resources outside of the initial purchase. Plastic can be incredibly durable – so it can stand up to reuse if manufactured properly. It can also be made from recycled content.

The mantra reduce/reuse/recycle is valid – anything you’re reusing, vs throwing away is limiting the need for future production of that thing.

I have my share of the cotton bags – but don’t tend to use them for shopping because of the flop-over factor. Using coated nylon bags works for me. I’m using bags I purchased years ago. Yes, nylon is made from petroleum, but it is also highly durable and I’m not filling the landfill with the flimsy bags they distribute in grocery stores.

[UCGal]

[quote=meadandale]Seems to me that buying reusable PLASTIC bags is kind of defeating the purpose of being green. Plastic -> petroleum. Cotton/Hemp -> renewable agricultural product.[/quote]

There are two thoughts on this. If you are reusing (and reusing and reusing…) then you are not depleting resources outside of the initial purchase. Plastic can be incredibly durable – so it can stand up to reuse if manufactured properly. It can also be made from recycled content.

The mantra reduce/reuse/recycle is valid – anything you’re reusing, vs throwing away is limiting the need for future production of that thing.

I have my share of the cotton bags – but don’t tend to use them for shopping because of the flop-over factor. Using coated nylon bags works for me. I’m using bags I purchased years ago. Yes, nylon is made from petroleum, but it is also highly durable and I’m not filling the landfill with the flimsy bags they distribute in grocery stores.

[UCGal]

[quote=meadandale]Seems to me that buying reusable PLASTIC bags is kind of defeating the purpose of being green. Plastic -> petroleum. Cotton/Hemp -> renewable agricultural product.[/quote]

There are two thoughts on this. If you are reusing (and reusing and reusing…) then you are not depleting resources outside of the initial purchase. Plastic can be incredibly durable – so it can stand up to reuse if manufactured properly. It can also be made from recycled content.

The mantra reduce/reuse/recycle is valid – anything you’re reusing, vs throwing away is limiting the need for future production of that thing.

I have my share of the cotton bags – but don’t tend to use them for shopping because of the flop-over factor. Using coated nylon bags works for me. I’m using bags I purchased years ago. Yes, nylon is made from petroleum, but it is also highly durable and I’m not filling the landfill with the flimsy bags they distribute in grocery stores.

[UCGal]

[quote=meadandale]Seems to me that buying reusable PLASTIC bags is kind of defeating the purpose of being green. Plastic -> petroleum. Cotton/Hemp -> renewable agricultural product.[/quote]

There are two thoughts on this. If you are reusing (and reusing and reusing…) then you are not depleting resources outside of the initial purchase. Plastic can be incredibly durable – so it can stand up to reuse if manufactured properly. It can also be made from recycled content.

The mantra reduce/reuse/recycle is valid – anything you’re reusing, vs throwing away is limiting the need for future production of that thing.

I have my share of the cotton bags – but don’t tend to use them for shopping because of the flop-over factor. Using coated nylon bags works for me. I’m using bags I purchased years ago. Yes, nylon is made from petroleum, but it is also highly durable and I’m not filling the landfill with the flimsy bags they distribute in grocery stores.

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