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August 10, 2008 at 2:43 PM #255636August 10, 2008 at 2:43 PM #255685
jficquette
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The only way to know for sure if Obama is eligable to be president would be for him to produce a real birth certificate but he refuses to do so.If someone refuses to provide proof of birth then what choices are one left with as to what to believe? Very few. One has to consider that maybe he is not eligible or else why not provide the BC??
Here is another article on his BC. http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
John
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I read the article you cited, John, and you’re only bolstering my point that you and so many others will believe what they read on the internet regardless of its easy disprovability.
I was watching a documentary on the hippie movement the other day, and towards the end Steve Jobs was talking (in the ’70s) about how personal computers will take so much power out of the hands of “the man” and give it to the people. And that did, in some ways, come to pass. But along with it came a whole new era of ignorance and hysteria.
I think most of the (very large) segment of the population that eschews skepticism would, prior to their internet access, simply not get involved too much in politics. They were busy getting their palms read or looking at their horoscopes or attending seances. But political operatives have learned that they can spoon feed easy-to-access, easy-to-read, bite-sized chunks of bull slop to these people and get them to vote for (or against) the candidates they like (or don’t like).
John, I think you should stand up to these people who are pulling the wool over your eyes. Don’t let them make a fool of you. [/quote]
Who is pulling wool over whose eyes?? A guy who has painstakenly researched a matter or a guy who refuses to furnish conclusive evidence putting the matter to rest.
Obama is treating the entire matter like it doesn’t exist. He has no choice because he can’t address it without the documentation.
John
August 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM #255406zk
ParticipantJohn,
What makes you believe that Obama hasn’t furnished his Hawaii birth certificate? And what makes you believe that the guy on that website you cite has painstakingly researched the matter (and is telling you the truth)? It seems to me that the only way you could believe either of those things is if you take what is being said at face value without doing any research of your own. That’s pretty much the definition of unskeptical.
And that all-too-common lack of skepticism is what I mean to illustrate. So many Americans (so many humans, really) lack the skepticism necessary to deal with the flood of “information” that the internet brings.
Every time I say that you believe everything you read on the internet, you counter with something untrue (and easily disprovable) that you read on the internet. So this discussion is really bearing no further fruit. You’ve pretty much admitted that you’re unskeptical, but you don’t see it as a problem. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.
August 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM #255579ParticipantJohn,
What makes you believe that Obama hasn’t furnished his Hawaii birth certificate? And what makes you believe that the guy on that website you cite has painstakingly researched the matter (and is telling you the truth)? It seems to me that the only way you could believe either of those things is if you take what is being said at face value without doing any research of your own. That’s pretty much the definition of unskeptical.
And that all-too-common lack of skepticism is what I mean to illustrate. So many Americans (so many humans, really) lack the skepticism necessary to deal with the flood of “information” that the internet brings.
Every time I say that you believe everything you read on the internet, you counter with something untrue (and easily disprovable) that you read on the internet. So this discussion is really bearing no further fruit. You’ve pretty much admitted that you’re unskeptical, but you don’t see it as a problem. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.
August 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM #255582ParticipantJohn,
What makes you believe that Obama hasn’t furnished his Hawaii birth certificate? And what makes you believe that the guy on that website you cite has painstakingly researched the matter (and is telling you the truth)? It seems to me that the only way you could believe either of those things is if you take what is being said at face value without doing any research of your own. That’s pretty much the definition of unskeptical.
And that all-too-common lack of skepticism is what I mean to illustrate. So many Americans (so many humans, really) lack the skepticism necessary to deal with the flood of “information” that the internet brings.
Every time I say that you believe everything you read on the internet, you counter with something untrue (and easily disprovable) that you read on the internet. So this discussion is really bearing no further fruit. You’ve pretty much admitted that you’re unskeptical, but you don’t see it as a problem. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.
August 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM #255641ParticipantJohn,
What makes you believe that Obama hasn’t furnished his Hawaii birth certificate? And what makes you believe that the guy on that website you cite has painstakingly researched the matter (and is telling you the truth)? It seems to me that the only way you could believe either of those things is if you take what is being said at face value without doing any research of your own. That’s pretty much the definition of unskeptical.
And that all-too-common lack of skepticism is what I mean to illustrate. So many Americans (so many humans, really) lack the skepticism necessary to deal with the flood of “information” that the internet brings.
Every time I say that you believe everything you read on the internet, you counter with something untrue (and easily disprovable) that you read on the internet. So this discussion is really bearing no further fruit. You’ve pretty much admitted that you’re unskeptical, but you don’t see it as a problem. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.
August 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM #255690ParticipantJohn,
What makes you believe that Obama hasn’t furnished his Hawaii birth certificate? And what makes you believe that the guy on that website you cite has painstakingly researched the matter (and is telling you the truth)? It seems to me that the only way you could believe either of those things is if you take what is being said at face value without doing any research of your own. That’s pretty much the definition of unskeptical.
And that all-too-common lack of skepticism is what I mean to illustrate. So many Americans (so many humans, really) lack the skepticism necessary to deal with the flood of “information” that the internet brings.
Every time I say that you believe everything you read on the internet, you counter with something untrue (and easily disprovable) that you read on the internet. So this discussion is really bearing no further fruit. You’ve pretty much admitted that you’re unskeptical, but you don’t see it as a problem. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.
August 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM #255411gandalf
Participantzk: I could not agree more. The lying is pervasive. Lots of self-deception, especially in political matters, partisan fanatics. Either way, it’s bullshit.
AFF, man — I had to sell my bike… Yeah, kind of a bummer. Same deal, two kids, just too much going on these days. Bad risk for me to be riding right now, seems like I’m always tired these days.
Some boomer guy came by last month, gave me a couple grand and rode off on it. Broke my heart. Almost crashed into a parked car on the way out of my driveway… <cringe>
Pretty funny sight. Kawasaki KLR650, so it rides high. I’m 6’5″ so no trouble for me, but boomer guy was about 5’9″, and had to lean the bike to get his foot flat on the ground. It just wasn’t right.
The guy was alright. Expect he’ll be fine. Mostly, I just want my bike back. Wish I hadn’t sold it. Sour grapes. So it goes.
August 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM #255584Participantzk: I could not agree more. The lying is pervasive. Lots of self-deception, especially in political matters, partisan fanatics. Either way, it’s bullshit.
AFF, man — I had to sell my bike… Yeah, kind of a bummer. Same deal, two kids, just too much going on these days. Bad risk for me to be riding right now, seems like I’m always tired these days.
Some boomer guy came by last month, gave me a couple grand and rode off on it. Broke my heart. Almost crashed into a parked car on the way out of my driveway… <cringe>
Pretty funny sight. Kawasaki KLR650, so it rides high. I’m 6’5″ so no trouble for me, but boomer guy was about 5’9″, and had to lean the bike to get his foot flat on the ground. It just wasn’t right.
The guy was alright. Expect he’ll be fine. Mostly, I just want my bike back. Wish I hadn’t sold it. Sour grapes. So it goes.
August 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM #255588Participantzk: I could not agree more. The lying is pervasive. Lots of self-deception, especially in political matters, partisan fanatics. Either way, it’s bullshit.
AFF, man — I had to sell my bike… Yeah, kind of a bummer. Same deal, two kids, just too much going on these days. Bad risk for me to be riding right now, seems like I’m always tired these days.
Some boomer guy came by last month, gave me a couple grand and rode off on it. Broke my heart. Almost crashed into a parked car on the way out of my driveway… <cringe>
Pretty funny sight. Kawasaki KLR650, so it rides high. I’m 6’5″ so no trouble for me, but boomer guy was about 5’9″, and had to lean the bike to get his foot flat on the ground. It just wasn’t right.
The guy was alright. Expect he’ll be fine. Mostly, I just want my bike back. Wish I hadn’t sold it. Sour grapes. So it goes.
August 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM #255646Participantzk: I could not agree more. The lying is pervasive. Lots of self-deception, especially in political matters, partisan fanatics. Either way, it’s bullshit.
AFF, man — I had to sell my bike… Yeah, kind of a bummer. Same deal, two kids, just too much going on these days. Bad risk for me to be riding right now, seems like I’m always tired these days.
Some boomer guy came by last month, gave me a couple grand and rode off on it. Broke my heart. Almost crashed into a parked car on the way out of my driveway… <cringe>
Pretty funny sight. Kawasaki KLR650, so it rides high. I’m 6’5″ so no trouble for me, but boomer guy was about 5’9″, and had to lean the bike to get his foot flat on the ground. It just wasn’t right.
The guy was alright. Expect he’ll be fine. Mostly, I just want my bike back. Wish I hadn’t sold it. Sour grapes. So it goes.
August 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM #255695Participantzk: I could not agree more. The lying is pervasive. Lots of self-deception, especially in political matters, partisan fanatics. Either way, it’s bullshit.
AFF, man — I had to sell my bike… Yeah, kind of a bummer. Same deal, two kids, just too much going on these days. Bad risk for me to be riding right now, seems like I’m always tired these days.
Some boomer guy came by last month, gave me a couple grand and rode off on it. Broke my heart. Almost crashed into a parked car on the way out of my driveway… <cringe>
Pretty funny sight. Kawasaki KLR650, so it rides high. I’m 6’5″ so no trouble for me, but boomer guy was about 5’9″, and had to lean the bike to get his foot flat on the ground. It just wasn’t right.
The guy was alright. Expect he’ll be fine. Mostly, I just want my bike back. Wish I hadn’t sold it. Sour grapes. So it goes.
August 10, 2008 at 5:27 PM #255420Participant[quote=zk]John,
What makes you believe that Obama hasn’t furnished his Hawaii birth certificate? And what makes you believe that the guy on that website you cite has painstakingly researched the matter (and is telling you the truth)? It seems to me that the only way you could believe either of those things is if you take what is being said at face value without doing any research of your own. That’s pretty much the definition of unskeptical.
And that all-too-common lack of skepticism is what I mean to illustrate. So many Americans (so many humans, really) lack the skepticism necessary to deal with the flood of “information” that the internet brings.
Every time I say that you believe everything you read on the internet, you counter with something untrue (and easily disprovable) that you read on the internet. So this discussion is really bearing no further fruit. You’ve pretty much admitted that you’re unskeptical, but you don’t see it as a problem. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that. [/quote]
He has not furnished an original birth certificate. The one he posted on his web site was proven to be a forgey.
That is what my point has been all along. If you want to believe that he has provided an original or certified original birth certificate then we can’t agree on the facts of the matter so we will never agree in conversation.
John
August 10, 2008 at 5:27 PM #255594Participant[quote=zk]John,
What makes you believe that Obama hasn’t furnished his Hawaii birth certificate? And what makes you believe that the guy on that website you cite has painstakingly researched the matter (and is telling you the truth)? It seems to me that the only way you could believe either of those things is if you take what is being said at face value without doing any research of your own. That’s pretty much the definition of unskeptical.
And that all-too-common lack of skepticism is what I mean to illustrate. So many Americans (so many humans, really) lack the skepticism necessary to deal with the flood of “information” that the internet brings.
Every time I say that you believe everything you read on the internet, you counter with something untrue (and easily disprovable) that you read on the internet. So this discussion is really bearing no further fruit. You’ve pretty much admitted that you’re unskeptical, but you don’t see it as a problem. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that. [/quote]
He has not furnished an original birth certificate. The one he posted on his web site was proven to be a forgey.
That is what my point has been all along. If you want to believe that he has provided an original or certified original birth certificate then we can’t agree on the facts of the matter so we will never agree in conversation.
John
August 10, 2008 at 5:27 PM #255598Participant[quote=zk]John,
What makes you believe that Obama hasn’t furnished his Hawaii birth certificate? And what makes you believe that the guy on that website you cite has painstakingly researched the matter (and is telling you the truth)? It seems to me that the only way you could believe either of those things is if you take what is being said at face value without doing any research of your own. That’s pretty much the definition of unskeptical.
And that all-too-common lack of skepticism is what I mean to illustrate. So many Americans (so many humans, really) lack the skepticism necessary to deal with the flood of “information” that the internet brings.
Every time I say that you believe everything you read on the internet, you counter with something untrue (and easily disprovable) that you read on the internet. So this discussion is really bearing no further fruit. You’ve pretty much admitted that you’re unskeptical, but you don’t see it as a problem. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that. [/quote]
He has not furnished an original birth certificate. The one he posted on his web site was proven to be a forgey.
That is what my point has been all along. If you want to believe that he has provided an original or certified original birth certificate then we can’t agree on the facts of the matter so we will never agree in conversation.
John
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