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August 9, 2008 at 11:46 PM #255521August 9, 2008 at 11:46 PM #255570
Allan from Fallbrook
Participantzk: I agree. Dude was a stud, and probably my favorite President. He definitely had faults, but was certainly a man of action.
I coach youth football, and make a point every season of handing out Teddy’s “Man in the Arena” speech to my players.
Another excellent bio on Teddy is “T.R.: The Last Romantic” by H.W. Brands. Very balanced, with a strong emphasis on the man himself. If you liked “Theodore Rex”, you’ll enjoy “T.R.”.
August 10, 2008 at 9:33 AM #255326jficquette
Participant[quote=zk][quote=jficquette]
Some believe/ignore things based on personal feelings. Some take a fact based approach as to what they believe but in the end we all believe what we want to believe.John[/quote]
Well, that’s arguable. But, generally, believing what you want to believe doesn’t really apply to easily provable (or disprovable) things. It’s quite easy to find out whether Obama is really eligible to be president. Whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.Yet you appear to choose not to find out. Why is that?
If you are going to get all the information you can in order to make larger decisions, then the least you could do (if you care whether or not you’re going to make good decisions) is to get the easy stuff right. How do you expect to make good decisions on larger issues (like who to vote for) if you don’t bother to take a few seconds to find out what’s true and what’s not?[/quote]
The only way to know for sure if Obama is eligable to be president would be for him to produce a real birth certificate but he refuses to do so.
If someone refuses to provide proof of birth then what choices are one left with as to what to believe? Very few. One has to consider that maybe he is not eligible or else why not provide the BC??
Here is another article on his BC. http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
John
August 10, 2008 at 9:33 AM #255497Participant[quote=zk][quote=jficquette]
Some believe/ignore things based on personal feelings. Some take a fact based approach as to what they believe but in the end we all believe what we want to believe.John[/quote]
Well, that’s arguable. But, generally, believing what you want to believe doesn’t really apply to easily provable (or disprovable) things. It’s quite easy to find out whether Obama is really eligible to be president. Whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.Yet you appear to choose not to find out. Why is that?
If you are going to get all the information you can in order to make larger decisions, then the least you could do (if you care whether or not you’re going to make good decisions) is to get the easy stuff right. How do you expect to make good decisions on larger issues (like who to vote for) if you don’t bother to take a few seconds to find out what’s true and what’s not?[/quote]
The only way to know for sure if Obama is eligable to be president would be for him to produce a real birth certificate but he refuses to do so.
If someone refuses to provide proof of birth then what choices are one left with as to what to believe? Very few. One has to consider that maybe he is not eligible or else why not provide the BC??
Here is another article on his BC. http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
John
August 10, 2008 at 9:33 AM #255503Participant[quote=zk][quote=jficquette]
Some believe/ignore things based on personal feelings. Some take a fact based approach as to what they believe but in the end we all believe what we want to believe.John[/quote]
Well, that’s arguable. But, generally, believing what you want to believe doesn’t really apply to easily provable (or disprovable) things. It’s quite easy to find out whether Obama is really eligible to be president. Whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.Yet you appear to choose not to find out. Why is that?
If you are going to get all the information you can in order to make larger decisions, then the least you could do (if you care whether or not you’re going to make good decisions) is to get the easy stuff right. How do you expect to make good decisions on larger issues (like who to vote for) if you don’t bother to take a few seconds to find out what’s true and what’s not?[/quote]
The only way to know for sure if Obama is eligable to be president would be for him to produce a real birth certificate but he refuses to do so.
If someone refuses to provide proof of birth then what choices are one left with as to what to believe? Very few. One has to consider that maybe he is not eligible or else why not provide the BC??
Here is another article on his BC. http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
John
August 10, 2008 at 9:33 AM #255560Participant[quote=zk][quote=jficquette]
Some believe/ignore things based on personal feelings. Some take a fact based approach as to what they believe but in the end we all believe what we want to believe.John[/quote]
Well, that’s arguable. But, generally, believing what you want to believe doesn’t really apply to easily provable (or disprovable) things. It’s quite easy to find out whether Obama is really eligible to be president. Whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.Yet you appear to choose not to find out. Why is that?
If you are going to get all the information you can in order to make larger decisions, then the least you could do (if you care whether or not you’re going to make good decisions) is to get the easy stuff right. How do you expect to make good decisions on larger issues (like who to vote for) if you don’t bother to take a few seconds to find out what’s true and what’s not?[/quote]
The only way to know for sure if Obama is eligable to be president would be for him to produce a real birth certificate but he refuses to do so.
If someone refuses to provide proof of birth then what choices are one left with as to what to believe? Very few. One has to consider that maybe he is not eligible or else why not provide the BC??
Here is another article on his BC. http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
John
August 10, 2008 at 9:33 AM #255610Participant[quote=zk][quote=jficquette]
Some believe/ignore things based on personal feelings. Some take a fact based approach as to what they believe but in the end we all believe what we want to believe.John[/quote]
Well, that’s arguable. But, generally, believing what you want to believe doesn’t really apply to easily provable (or disprovable) things. It’s quite easy to find out whether Obama is really eligible to be president. Whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.Yet you appear to choose not to find out. Why is that?
If you are going to get all the information you can in order to make larger decisions, then the least you could do (if you care whether or not you’re going to make good decisions) is to get the easy stuff right. How do you expect to make good decisions on larger issues (like who to vote for) if you don’t bother to take a few seconds to find out what’s true and what’s not?[/quote]
The only way to know for sure if Obama is eligable to be president would be for him to produce a real birth certificate but he refuses to do so.
If someone refuses to provide proof of birth then what choices are one left with as to what to believe? Very few. One has to consider that maybe he is not eligible or else why not provide the BC??
Here is another article on his BC. http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
John
August 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM #255336Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]John: I agree with Aecetia. Putin is former KGB, and is dedicated to returning Russia to it’s former glory. Russia’s intimidation has now moved beyond saber rattling into direct intervention.
The Europeans are entirely too dependent on Russian fuel and afraid of a resurgent “bear” in their backyard to do much of anything.
God love McCain, but I don’t think he has much of solution beyond sending the USAF in to try and interdict the Russians as they move their big iron into Georgia.
And, make no mistake, Putin has the stones to play a high-speed game of chicken with us and NATO. This the potential to get real ugly and spread into a wider war.[/quote]
What do you think we should do about Georgia?? As far as I am concerned, Russia can have at it. I am not interested in risking war over former Soviet Territory.
John
August 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM #255508Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]John: I agree with Aecetia. Putin is former KGB, and is dedicated to returning Russia to it’s former glory. Russia’s intimidation has now moved beyond saber rattling into direct intervention.
The Europeans are entirely too dependent on Russian fuel and afraid of a resurgent “bear” in their backyard to do much of anything.
God love McCain, but I don’t think he has much of solution beyond sending the USAF in to try and interdict the Russians as they move their big iron into Georgia.
And, make no mistake, Putin has the stones to play a high-speed game of chicken with us and NATO. This the potential to get real ugly and spread into a wider war.[/quote]
What do you think we should do about Georgia?? As far as I am concerned, Russia can have at it. I am not interested in risking war over former Soviet Territory.
John
August 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM #255515Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]John: I agree with Aecetia. Putin is former KGB, and is dedicated to returning Russia to it’s former glory. Russia’s intimidation has now moved beyond saber rattling into direct intervention.
The Europeans are entirely too dependent on Russian fuel and afraid of a resurgent “bear” in their backyard to do much of anything.
God love McCain, but I don’t think he has much of solution beyond sending the USAF in to try and interdict the Russians as they move their big iron into Georgia.
And, make no mistake, Putin has the stones to play a high-speed game of chicken with us and NATO. This the potential to get real ugly and spread into a wider war.[/quote]
What do you think we should do about Georgia?? As far as I am concerned, Russia can have at it. I am not interested in risking war over former Soviet Territory.
John
August 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM #255571Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]John: I agree with Aecetia. Putin is former KGB, and is dedicated to returning Russia to it’s former glory. Russia’s intimidation has now moved beyond saber rattling into direct intervention.
The Europeans are entirely too dependent on Russian fuel and afraid of a resurgent “bear” in their backyard to do much of anything.
God love McCain, but I don’t think he has much of solution beyond sending the USAF in to try and interdict the Russians as they move their big iron into Georgia.
And, make no mistake, Putin has the stones to play a high-speed game of chicken with us and NATO. This the potential to get real ugly and spread into a wider war.[/quote]
What do you think we should do about Georgia?? As far as I am concerned, Russia can have at it. I am not interested in risking war over former Soviet Territory.
John
August 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM #255620Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]John: I agree with Aecetia. Putin is former KGB, and is dedicated to returning Russia to it’s former glory. Russia’s intimidation has now moved beyond saber rattling into direct intervention.
The Europeans are entirely too dependent on Russian fuel and afraid of a resurgent “bear” in their backyard to do much of anything.
God love McCain, but I don’t think he has much of solution beyond sending the USAF in to try and interdict the Russians as they move their big iron into Georgia.
And, make no mistake, Putin has the stones to play a high-speed game of chicken with us and NATO. This the potential to get real ugly and spread into a wider war.[/quote]
What do you think we should do about Georgia?? As far as I am concerned, Russia can have at it. I am not interested in risking war over former Soviet Territory.
John
August 10, 2008 at 11:01 AM #255366ParticipantJohn: This is regional brinksmanship on the part of the Russians. Georgia is a US ally, and Putin can accomplish two things here: 1) Humble the US (through our inaction) in the region, and 2) Show the other countries, including new NATO members like Poland, who is holding the whip hand.
Western Europe has grown increasingly dependent on Russian controlled fuel sources. As of late, the largest security concerns that NATO has handled have been in Afghanistan, and, if that is any example of their fighting spirit, they have a serious problem.
I don’t think beyond jawing about a cease fire and trying to calm the situation, the US (or NATO) is going to do much of anything. Largely because we can’t. I think Putin has us (and Europe) by the short and curlies, and he knows it.
August 10, 2008 at 11:01 AM #255539ParticipantJohn: This is regional brinksmanship on the part of the Russians. Georgia is a US ally, and Putin can accomplish two things here: 1) Humble the US (through our inaction) in the region, and 2) Show the other countries, including new NATO members like Poland, who is holding the whip hand.
Western Europe has grown increasingly dependent on Russian controlled fuel sources. As of late, the largest security concerns that NATO has handled have been in Afghanistan, and, if that is any example of their fighting spirit, they have a serious problem.
I don’t think beyond jawing about a cease fire and trying to calm the situation, the US (or NATO) is going to do much of anything. Largely because we can’t. I think Putin has us (and Europe) by the short and curlies, and he knows it.
August 10, 2008 at 11:01 AM #255543ParticipantJohn: This is regional brinksmanship on the part of the Russians. Georgia is a US ally, and Putin can accomplish two things here: 1) Humble the US (through our inaction) in the region, and 2) Show the other countries, including new NATO members like Poland, who is holding the whip hand.
Western Europe has grown increasingly dependent on Russian controlled fuel sources. As of late, the largest security concerns that NATO has handled have been in Afghanistan, and, if that is any example of their fighting spirit, they have a serious problem.
I don’t think beyond jawing about a cease fire and trying to calm the situation, the US (or NATO) is going to do much of anything. Largely because we can’t. I think Putin has us (and Europe) by the short and curlies, and he knows it.
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