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July 31, 2008 at 9:53 AM #249978July 31, 2008 at 10:05 AM #249771Allan from FallbrookParticipant
gandalf: I think the next four years is pretty much a suicide mission for either McCain or Obama. The hole is so deep at this point (similar to when Carter came to power) that I don’t see either of them being able (at least in a four year term) to make significant headway. You need at least two terms to make a difference and, given the way things are, neither would be afforded the opportunity.
The country (and the opposition party) would hold them up as a scapegoat and they’d be done after the first term.
I think we should hire Vladimir Putin to run things for a while. That mofo looks like he gets s**t done. Of course, we’d all wind up wearing little fur hats with red stars on them, but it’s a small price to pay.
July 31, 2008 at 10:05 AM #249925Allan from FallbrookParticipantgandalf: I think the next four years is pretty much a suicide mission for either McCain or Obama. The hole is so deep at this point (similar to when Carter came to power) that I don’t see either of them being able (at least in a four year term) to make significant headway. You need at least two terms to make a difference and, given the way things are, neither would be afforded the opportunity.
The country (and the opposition party) would hold them up as a scapegoat and they’d be done after the first term.
I think we should hire Vladimir Putin to run things for a while. That mofo looks like he gets s**t done. Of course, we’d all wind up wearing little fur hats with red stars on them, but it’s a small price to pay.
July 31, 2008 at 10:05 AM #249933Allan from FallbrookParticipantgandalf: I think the next four years is pretty much a suicide mission for either McCain or Obama. The hole is so deep at this point (similar to when Carter came to power) that I don’t see either of them being able (at least in a four year term) to make significant headway. You need at least two terms to make a difference and, given the way things are, neither would be afforded the opportunity.
The country (and the opposition party) would hold them up as a scapegoat and they’d be done after the first term.
I think we should hire Vladimir Putin to run things for a while. That mofo looks like he gets s**t done. Of course, we’d all wind up wearing little fur hats with red stars on them, but it’s a small price to pay.
July 31, 2008 at 10:05 AM #249992Allan from FallbrookParticipantgandalf: I think the next four years is pretty much a suicide mission for either McCain or Obama. The hole is so deep at this point (similar to when Carter came to power) that I don’t see either of them being able (at least in a four year term) to make significant headway. You need at least two terms to make a difference and, given the way things are, neither would be afforded the opportunity.
The country (and the opposition party) would hold them up as a scapegoat and they’d be done after the first term.
I think we should hire Vladimir Putin to run things for a while. That mofo looks like he gets s**t done. Of course, we’d all wind up wearing little fur hats with red stars on them, but it’s a small price to pay.
July 31, 2008 at 10:05 AM #249998Allan from FallbrookParticipantgandalf: I think the next four years is pretty much a suicide mission for either McCain or Obama. The hole is so deep at this point (similar to when Carter came to power) that I don’t see either of them being able (at least in a four year term) to make significant headway. You need at least two terms to make a difference and, given the way things are, neither would be afforded the opportunity.
The country (and the opposition party) would hold them up as a scapegoat and they’d be done after the first term.
I think we should hire Vladimir Putin to run things for a while. That mofo looks like he gets s**t done. Of course, we’d all wind up wearing little fur hats with red stars on them, but it’s a small price to pay.
July 31, 2008 at 10:06 AM #249775gandalfParticipantNot so much luchabee.
There’s a larger issue here, which is that we need to get back to a point where there’s cooperation between parties and a civil tone. Opposing political parties were never the enemies of America, and vice versa. Ever since the awful Clintons (“The Liars”), amplified by the “Crazy Base” Bush fruits/freaks, the partisan fringe has pretty much taken over debate, divide and conquer for political gain.
These partisan bums who post here? They’re a case in point. Very little substantive criticism or discussion. Mostly dishonest lies, exaggerations, rumors, slander, innuendo, statements taken out of context, attacks by association, subtle racism in the case of Obama.
This isn’t by accident, it’s by design. It starts with focus-group-tested talking points that get propogated out with machine-like efficiency through ‘opinion leaders’, ‘message-men’ and media whores, picked up and passed on by partisans across the country in conversations, emails, blogs and airport bathroooms. It’s no coincidence we hear the same bullshit over and over again. It’s propoganda and it’s insidious.
Make a decision to get out of the gutter, to raise the bar. We have deadly serious business before our country, wars in the Middle East, a faltering economy, corruption and profiteering, a number of grave issues. Moving forward is going to require a better country than the past 20 years of Clinton-Bush boomer-generation erectile dysfunction.
July 31, 2008 at 10:06 AM #249930gandalfParticipantNot so much luchabee.
There’s a larger issue here, which is that we need to get back to a point where there’s cooperation between parties and a civil tone. Opposing political parties were never the enemies of America, and vice versa. Ever since the awful Clintons (“The Liars”), amplified by the “Crazy Base” Bush fruits/freaks, the partisan fringe has pretty much taken over debate, divide and conquer for political gain.
These partisan bums who post here? They’re a case in point. Very little substantive criticism or discussion. Mostly dishonest lies, exaggerations, rumors, slander, innuendo, statements taken out of context, attacks by association, subtle racism in the case of Obama.
This isn’t by accident, it’s by design. It starts with focus-group-tested talking points that get propogated out with machine-like efficiency through ‘opinion leaders’, ‘message-men’ and media whores, picked up and passed on by partisans across the country in conversations, emails, blogs and airport bathroooms. It’s no coincidence we hear the same bullshit over and over again. It’s propoganda and it’s insidious.
Make a decision to get out of the gutter, to raise the bar. We have deadly serious business before our country, wars in the Middle East, a faltering economy, corruption and profiteering, a number of grave issues. Moving forward is going to require a better country than the past 20 years of Clinton-Bush boomer-generation erectile dysfunction.
July 31, 2008 at 10:06 AM #249938gandalfParticipantNot so much luchabee.
There’s a larger issue here, which is that we need to get back to a point where there’s cooperation between parties and a civil tone. Opposing political parties were never the enemies of America, and vice versa. Ever since the awful Clintons (“The Liars”), amplified by the “Crazy Base” Bush fruits/freaks, the partisan fringe has pretty much taken over debate, divide and conquer for political gain.
These partisan bums who post here? They’re a case in point. Very little substantive criticism or discussion. Mostly dishonest lies, exaggerations, rumors, slander, innuendo, statements taken out of context, attacks by association, subtle racism in the case of Obama.
This isn’t by accident, it’s by design. It starts with focus-group-tested talking points that get propogated out with machine-like efficiency through ‘opinion leaders’, ‘message-men’ and media whores, picked up and passed on by partisans across the country in conversations, emails, blogs and airport bathroooms. It’s no coincidence we hear the same bullshit over and over again. It’s propoganda and it’s insidious.
Make a decision to get out of the gutter, to raise the bar. We have deadly serious business before our country, wars in the Middle East, a faltering economy, corruption and profiteering, a number of grave issues. Moving forward is going to require a better country than the past 20 years of Clinton-Bush boomer-generation erectile dysfunction.
July 31, 2008 at 10:06 AM #249997gandalfParticipantNot so much luchabee.
There’s a larger issue here, which is that we need to get back to a point where there’s cooperation between parties and a civil tone. Opposing political parties were never the enemies of America, and vice versa. Ever since the awful Clintons (“The Liars”), amplified by the “Crazy Base” Bush fruits/freaks, the partisan fringe has pretty much taken over debate, divide and conquer for political gain.
These partisan bums who post here? They’re a case in point. Very little substantive criticism or discussion. Mostly dishonest lies, exaggerations, rumors, slander, innuendo, statements taken out of context, attacks by association, subtle racism in the case of Obama.
This isn’t by accident, it’s by design. It starts with focus-group-tested talking points that get propogated out with machine-like efficiency through ‘opinion leaders’, ‘message-men’ and media whores, picked up and passed on by partisans across the country in conversations, emails, blogs and airport bathroooms. It’s no coincidence we hear the same bullshit over and over again. It’s propoganda and it’s insidious.
Make a decision to get out of the gutter, to raise the bar. We have deadly serious business before our country, wars in the Middle East, a faltering economy, corruption and profiteering, a number of grave issues. Moving forward is going to require a better country than the past 20 years of Clinton-Bush boomer-generation erectile dysfunction.
July 31, 2008 at 10:06 AM #250003gandalfParticipantNot so much luchabee.
There’s a larger issue here, which is that we need to get back to a point where there’s cooperation between parties and a civil tone. Opposing political parties were never the enemies of America, and vice versa. Ever since the awful Clintons (“The Liars”), amplified by the “Crazy Base” Bush fruits/freaks, the partisan fringe has pretty much taken over debate, divide and conquer for political gain.
These partisan bums who post here? They’re a case in point. Very little substantive criticism or discussion. Mostly dishonest lies, exaggerations, rumors, slander, innuendo, statements taken out of context, attacks by association, subtle racism in the case of Obama.
This isn’t by accident, it’s by design. It starts with focus-group-tested talking points that get propogated out with machine-like efficiency through ‘opinion leaders’, ‘message-men’ and media whores, picked up and passed on by partisans across the country in conversations, emails, blogs and airport bathroooms. It’s no coincidence we hear the same bullshit over and over again. It’s propoganda and it’s insidious.
Make a decision to get out of the gutter, to raise the bar. We have deadly serious business before our country, wars in the Middle East, a faltering economy, corruption and profiteering, a number of grave issues. Moving forward is going to require a better country than the past 20 years of Clinton-Bush boomer-generation erectile dysfunction.
July 31, 2008 at 10:13 AM #249785CascaParticipant[quote=gandalf]casca: To what do you attribute this statement?
“There are breathtaking gaps in the education of the man who has never had a job…”
What facts? Backup your statement. There is no basis.
In the same post, you rail about registering ‘negros’ to vote, as if there’s something wrong with that. BTW, I haven’t heard anybody use the term ‘negro’ in ages.
You can call it character and patriotism, whatever helps you rationalize it. I call it partisan and racist.
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Yes, you are Marion reborn. I will not parlay with you. You resort to the rhetorical device of lying, and it is impossible to reason with those willing to lie. I do understand though, since it is part of the ethos of your party.
I suggest that anyone who spends as much time and effort here thumping the tub for your side as you do, would be more productively engaged looking for a job.
July 31, 2008 at 10:13 AM #249940CascaParticipant[quote=gandalf]casca: To what do you attribute this statement?
“There are breathtaking gaps in the education of the man who has never had a job…”
What facts? Backup your statement. There is no basis.
In the same post, you rail about registering ‘negros’ to vote, as if there’s something wrong with that. BTW, I haven’t heard anybody use the term ‘negro’ in ages.
You can call it character and patriotism, whatever helps you rationalize it. I call it partisan and racist.
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Yes, you are Marion reborn. I will not parlay with you. You resort to the rhetorical device of lying, and it is impossible to reason with those willing to lie. I do understand though, since it is part of the ethos of your party.
I suggest that anyone who spends as much time and effort here thumping the tub for your side as you do, would be more productively engaged looking for a job.
July 31, 2008 at 10:13 AM #249948CascaParticipant[quote=gandalf]casca: To what do you attribute this statement?
“There are breathtaking gaps in the education of the man who has never had a job…”
What facts? Backup your statement. There is no basis.
In the same post, you rail about registering ‘negros’ to vote, as if there’s something wrong with that. BTW, I haven’t heard anybody use the term ‘negro’ in ages.
You can call it character and patriotism, whatever helps you rationalize it. I call it partisan and racist.
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Yes, you are Marion reborn. I will not parlay with you. You resort to the rhetorical device of lying, and it is impossible to reason with those willing to lie. I do understand though, since it is part of the ethos of your party.
I suggest that anyone who spends as much time and effort here thumping the tub for your side as you do, would be more productively engaged looking for a job.
July 31, 2008 at 10:13 AM #250007CascaParticipant[quote=gandalf]casca: To what do you attribute this statement?
“There are breathtaking gaps in the education of the man who has never had a job…”
What facts? Backup your statement. There is no basis.
In the same post, you rail about registering ‘negros’ to vote, as if there’s something wrong with that. BTW, I haven’t heard anybody use the term ‘negro’ in ages.
You can call it character and patriotism, whatever helps you rationalize it. I call it partisan and racist.
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Yes, you are Marion reborn. I will not parlay with you. You resort to the rhetorical device of lying, and it is impossible to reason with those willing to lie. I do understand though, since it is part of the ethos of your party.
I suggest that anyone who spends as much time and effort here thumping the tub for your side as you do, would be more productively engaged looking for a job.
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