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August 5, 2008 at 6:45 PM #253213August 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM #252983CascaParticipant
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On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.[/quote]AFF, I was with you until the last paragraph. Run out to Walmart and get a Brita pitcher. There’s something in the water in Fallbrook. Too much fluoride?
August 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM #253147CascaParticipant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.[/quote]AFF, I was with you until the last paragraph. Run out to Walmart and get a Brita pitcher. There’s something in the water in Fallbrook. Too much fluoride?
August 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM #253156CascaParticipant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.[/quote]AFF, I was with you until the last paragraph. Run out to Walmart and get a Brita pitcher. There’s something in the water in Fallbrook. Too much fluoride?
August 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM #253215CascaParticipant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.[/quote]AFF, I was with you until the last paragraph. Run out to Walmart and get a Brita pitcher. There’s something in the water in Fallbrook. Too much fluoride?
August 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM #253218CascaParticipant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.[/quote]AFF, I was with you until the last paragraph. Run out to Walmart and get a Brita pitcher. There’s something in the water in Fallbrook. Too much fluoride?
August 5, 2008 at 8:36 PM #253004Allan from FallbrookParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
August 5, 2008 at 8:36 PM #253167Allan from FallbrookParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
August 5, 2008 at 8:36 PM #253176Allan from FallbrookParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
August 5, 2008 at 8:36 PM #253235Allan from FallbrookParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
August 5, 2008 at 8:36 PM #253238Allan from FallbrookParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
August 5, 2008 at 8:37 PM #252993NotCrankyParticipantWow Allan, Look who wants to be your friend! It ain’t Barry Goldwater. Now if you could just publicly condone casual torture and casual extraordinary rendition you get a free subscription to “Commentary” and “The Weekly Standard”.
Well, I guess suggesting name calling was a bad idea? In any case, although we disagree on some things, I still think you could be well meaning? Pollyanna is the most cliche insult of militaristic types against those who question attitudes and philosophies connected to habitual demonstrations of power and the hypocrisy that is necessary part of “selling it” or “buying into it” for extended periods of time. It doesn’t fit me.
August 5, 2008 at 8:37 PM #253157NotCrankyParticipantWow Allan, Look who wants to be your friend! It ain’t Barry Goldwater. Now if you could just publicly condone casual torture and casual extraordinary rendition you get a free subscription to “Commentary” and “The Weekly Standard”.
Well, I guess suggesting name calling was a bad idea? In any case, although we disagree on some things, I still think you could be well meaning? Pollyanna is the most cliche insult of militaristic types against those who question attitudes and philosophies connected to habitual demonstrations of power and the hypocrisy that is necessary part of “selling it” or “buying into it” for extended periods of time. It doesn’t fit me.
August 5, 2008 at 8:37 PM #253166NotCrankyParticipantWow Allan, Look who wants to be your friend! It ain’t Barry Goldwater. Now if you could just publicly condone casual torture and casual extraordinary rendition you get a free subscription to “Commentary” and “The Weekly Standard”.
Well, I guess suggesting name calling was a bad idea? In any case, although we disagree on some things, I still think you could be well meaning? Pollyanna is the most cliche insult of militaristic types against those who question attitudes and philosophies connected to habitual demonstrations of power and the hypocrisy that is necessary part of “selling it” or “buying into it” for extended periods of time. It doesn’t fit me.
August 5, 2008 at 8:37 PM #253225NotCrankyParticipantWow Allan, Look who wants to be your friend! It ain’t Barry Goldwater. Now if you could just publicly condone casual torture and casual extraordinary rendition you get a free subscription to “Commentary” and “The Weekly Standard”.
Well, I guess suggesting name calling was a bad idea? In any case, although we disagree on some things, I still think you could be well meaning? Pollyanna is the most cliche insult of militaristic types against those who question attitudes and philosophies connected to habitual demonstrations of power and the hypocrisy that is necessary part of “selling it” or “buying into it” for extended periods of time. It doesn’t fit me.
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