OT: Obama is dumber than a box of rocks

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca]Ah, now you show your colors.[/quote]

There you go again with the “colors” bit. Playing the devisive (racist) card again–black/white, red/blue, who cares? All I want is to see this country come back to a place I can be proud of, that isn’t hemorrhaging debt on wars, bailouts and corporate welfare. Where people have integrity and get ahead through innovation and hard work, not insider privileges, lying, cheating and stealing. And where we, as a country, are not slaves to the oil sheiks who are pumping oil for the bloated US consumption market (gotta have that 3 mpg Hummer!) with one hand while holding a knife in the other, waiting to slip it in our backs? Does that have enough “color” for you?

Damn, I promised myself I wouldn’t be baited again, but someone’s got to call you out for being the ‘tard you are.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Casca]
I’ve never had ass cancer you idiot. You were born of hemorrhoid cells.
[/quote]
Does that mean I can call you Daddy?

[quote=Casca]
“Do you really think that any manipulation of the market is synonymous with a command economy?”

When the government does it, yes.

“Does that include when private parties manipulate it or just when government does?”

Your attempt to put me in a reductio ad absurdum box is childish.
[/quote]
I was not trying to do anything. I sought to draw out your direction, and I think it is a fair question. Let me give 2 examples: the fear of manipulation in the Sirius XM merger and nature of telecommunications during the era of Ma Bell. Again, I pose the question: does this fall under your rubric of market manipulation and/or command economy?
[quote=Casca]
Of course there is a part for government in creating structure, but not in determining who should get subsidies for not planting what, or how many lesbian dwarfs you must have on your payroll. Government’s role is too great, and has been for decades. Those who can’t see this are part of the problem.
[/quote]
So where do you see the appropriate limit of government control? Where does the “creation of structure” end?
[quote=Casca]

“Do you really think that public schools do not teach the history or traditions of the US? My wife who teaches US history to (predominantly immigrant) students would perhaps disagree. Again, its a question.”

Does she have a history degree, or an education degree?
[/quote]
Both actually. Also, a master’s degree in political theory.
[quote=Casca]
Considering the vast sums expended, our public schools are a disgrace. We pay for filet mignon, and get hot dogs.
[/quote]
Bearing in mind that I am a foodie that prefers hot dogs to tenderloin, I have some questions about that. What alternative models (anywhere) would you point to? What would you see as a way to improve the schools?
[quote=Casca]

“Is it your contention that his mother’s perceived lack of patriotism should disqualify him from running? Is it your contention that his foreign schooling should disqualify him from running?”

People vote for those with whom they believe they share values, thus the 92% black vote he’ll reap. Although to the dismay of MLK, most we’ll be voting based on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character. A lot more Americans will look at his foreign childhood in the Indonesian Madrassas, and conclude that he isn’t PLU. [/quote]
While I find it humorous that you would use the Southeast Asian slang acronym for gay (People Like Us), I don’t know that most spectators will see the problems with him that you see. His birth and citizenship are public record (in the US). The type of secular school he attended is common throughout southeast Asia. My brother in law (a surly New York Italian) teaches at one in Singapore. They have occasional religious classes but they are not madrasas (like in Waziristan) unless you mean in the strictest sense (madrasa just means school). Is it your assertion that his record of birth was faked? do you assert that the school (or all secular schools in southeast Asia) is/are faking there secular credentials?

[quote=Casca]
I have nothing in common with the man, except that I too have spent years in the political gutter that is Chicago, and know what one finds there… raw opportunism, but that has been his trajectory since his arrival in Hawaii as a teenager, and entry into the halls of privilege.[/quote]
Do you feel that Chicago unto itself is a place that make people corrupt?
Do you feel that this has had an effect upon you? Do you feel that Chicago has made you more corrupt or do you think you have avoided this?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Casca]
I’ve never had ass cancer you idiot. You were born of hemorrhoid cells.
[/quote]
Does that mean I can call you Daddy?

[quote=Casca]
“Do you really think that any manipulation of the market is synonymous with a command economy?”

When the government does it, yes.

“Does that include when private parties manipulate it or just when government does?”

Your attempt to put me in a reductio ad absurdum box is childish.
[/quote]
I was not trying to do anything. I sought to draw out your direction, and I think it is a fair question. Let me give 2 examples: the fear of manipulation in the Sirius XM merger and nature of telecommunications during the era of Ma Bell. Again, I pose the question: does this fall under your rubric of market manipulation and/or command economy?
[quote=Casca]
Of course there is a part for government in creating structure, but not in determining who should get subsidies for not planting what, or how many lesbian dwarfs you must have on your payroll. Government’s role is too great, and has been for decades. Those who can’t see this are part of the problem.
[/quote]
So where do you see the appropriate limit of government control? Where does the “creation of structure” end?
[quote=Casca]

“Do you really think that public schools do not teach the history or traditions of the US? My wife who teaches US history to (predominantly immigrant) students would perhaps disagree. Again, its a question.”

Does she have a history degree, or an education degree?
[/quote]
Both actually. Also, a master’s degree in political theory.
[quote=Casca]
Considering the vast sums expended, our public schools are a disgrace. We pay for filet mignon, and get hot dogs.
[/quote]
Bearing in mind that I am a foodie that prefers hot dogs to tenderloin, I have some questions about that. What alternative models (anywhere) would you point to? What would you see as a way to improve the schools?
[quote=Casca]

“Is it your contention that his mother’s perceived lack of patriotism should disqualify him from running? Is it your contention that his foreign schooling should disqualify him from running?”

People vote for those with whom they believe they share values, thus the 92% black vote he’ll reap. Although to the dismay of MLK, most we’ll be voting based on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character. A lot more Americans will look at his foreign childhood in the Indonesian Madrassas, and conclude that he isn’t PLU. [/quote]
While I find it humorous that you would use the Southeast Asian slang acronym for gay (People Like Us), I don’t know that most spectators will see the problems with him that you see. His birth and citizenship are public record (in the US). The type of secular school he attended is common throughout southeast Asia. My brother in law (a surly New York Italian) teaches at one in Singapore. They have occasional religious classes but they are not madrasas (like in Waziristan) unless you mean in the strictest sense (madrasa just means school). Is it your assertion that his record of birth was faked? do you assert that the school (or all secular schools in southeast Asia) is/are faking there secular credentials?

[quote=Casca]
I have nothing in common with the man, except that I too have spent years in the political gutter that is Chicago, and know what one finds there… raw opportunism, but that has been his trajectory since his arrival in Hawaii as a teenager, and entry into the halls of privilege.[/quote]
Do you feel that Chicago unto itself is a place that make people corrupt?
Do you feel that this has had an effect upon you? Do you feel that Chicago has made you more corrupt or do you think you have avoided this?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Casca]
I’ve never had ass cancer you idiot. You were born of hemorrhoid cells.
[/quote]
Does that mean I can call you Daddy?

[quote=Casca]
“Do you really think that any manipulation of the market is synonymous with a command economy?”

When the government does it, yes.

“Does that include when private parties manipulate it or just when government does?”

Your attempt to put me in a reductio ad absurdum box is childish.
[/quote]
I was not trying to do anything. I sought to draw out your direction, and I think it is a fair question. Let me give 2 examples: the fear of manipulation in the Sirius XM merger and nature of telecommunications during the era of Ma Bell. Again, I pose the question: does this fall under your rubric of market manipulation and/or command economy?
[quote=Casca]
Of course there is a part for government in creating structure, but not in determining who should get subsidies for not planting what, or how many lesbian dwarfs you must have on your payroll. Government’s role is too great, and has been for decades. Those who can’t see this are part of the problem.
[/quote]
So where do you see the appropriate limit of government control? Where does the “creation of structure” end?
[quote=Casca]

“Do you really think that public schools do not teach the history or traditions of the US? My wife who teaches US history to (predominantly immigrant) students would perhaps disagree. Again, its a question.”

Does she have a history degree, or an education degree?
[/quote]
Both actually. Also, a master’s degree in political theory.
[quote=Casca]
Considering the vast sums expended, our public schools are a disgrace. We pay for filet mignon, and get hot dogs.
[/quote]
Bearing in mind that I am a foodie that prefers hot dogs to tenderloin, I have some questions about that. What alternative models (anywhere) would you point to? What would you see as a way to improve the schools?
[quote=Casca]

“Is it your contention that his mother’s perceived lack of patriotism should disqualify him from running? Is it your contention that his foreign schooling should disqualify him from running?”

People vote for those with whom they believe they share values, thus the 92% black vote he’ll reap. Although to the dismay of MLK, most we’ll be voting based on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character. A lot more Americans will look at his foreign childhood in the Indonesian Madrassas, and conclude that he isn’t PLU. [/quote]
While I find it humorous that you would use the Southeast Asian slang acronym for gay (People Like Us), I don’t know that most spectators will see the problems with him that you see. His birth and citizenship are public record (in the US). The type of secular school he attended is common throughout southeast Asia. My brother in law (a surly New York Italian) teaches at one in Singapore. They have occasional religious classes but they are not madrasas (like in Waziristan) unless you mean in the strictest sense (madrasa just means school). Is it your assertion that his record of birth was faked? do you assert that the school (or all secular schools in southeast Asia) is/are faking there secular credentials?

[quote=Casca]
I have nothing in common with the man, except that I too have spent years in the political gutter that is Chicago, and know what one finds there… raw opportunism, but that has been his trajectory since his arrival in Hawaii as a teenager, and entry into the halls of privilege.[/quote]
Do you feel that Chicago unto itself is a place that make people corrupt?
Do you feel that this has had an effect upon you? Do you feel that Chicago has made you more corrupt or do you think you have avoided this?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Casca]
I’ve never had ass cancer you idiot. You were born of hemorrhoid cells.
[/quote]
Does that mean I can call you Daddy?

[quote=Casca]
“Do you really think that any manipulation of the market is synonymous with a command economy?”

When the government does it, yes.

“Does that include when private parties manipulate it or just when government does?”

Your attempt to put me in a reductio ad absurdum box is childish.
[/quote]
I was not trying to do anything. I sought to draw out your direction, and I think it is a fair question. Let me give 2 examples: the fear of manipulation in the Sirius XM merger and nature of telecommunications during the era of Ma Bell. Again, I pose the question: does this fall under your rubric of market manipulation and/or command economy?
[quote=Casca]
Of course there is a part for government in creating structure, but not in determining who should get subsidies for not planting what, or how many lesbian dwarfs you must have on your payroll. Government’s role is too great, and has been for decades. Those who can’t see this are part of the problem.
[/quote]
So where do you see the appropriate limit of government control? Where does the “creation of structure” end?
[quote=Casca]

“Do you really think that public schools do not teach the history or traditions of the US? My wife who teaches US history to (predominantly immigrant) students would perhaps disagree. Again, its a question.”

Does she have a history degree, or an education degree?
[/quote]
Both actually. Also, a master’s degree in political theory.
[quote=Casca]
Considering the vast sums expended, our public schools are a disgrace. We pay for filet mignon, and get hot dogs.
[/quote]
Bearing in mind that I am a foodie that prefers hot dogs to tenderloin, I have some questions about that. What alternative models (anywhere) would you point to? What would you see as a way to improve the schools?
[quote=Casca]

“Is it your contention that his mother’s perceived lack of patriotism should disqualify him from running? Is it your contention that his foreign schooling should disqualify him from running?”

People vote for those with whom they believe they share values, thus the 92% black vote he’ll reap. Although to the dismay of MLK, most we’ll be voting based on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character. A lot more Americans will look at his foreign childhood in the Indonesian Madrassas, and conclude that he isn’t PLU. [/quote]
While I find it humorous that you would use the Southeast Asian slang acronym for gay (People Like Us), I don’t know that most spectators will see the problems with him that you see. His birth and citizenship are public record (in the US). The type of secular school he attended is common throughout southeast Asia. My brother in law (a surly New York Italian) teaches at one in Singapore. They have occasional religious classes but they are not madrasas (like in Waziristan) unless you mean in the strictest sense (madrasa just means school). Is it your assertion that his record of birth was faked? do you assert that the school (or all secular schools in southeast Asia) is/are faking there secular credentials?

[quote=Casca]
I have nothing in common with the man, except that I too have spent years in the political gutter that is Chicago, and know what one finds there… raw opportunism, but that has been his trajectory since his arrival in Hawaii as a teenager, and entry into the halls of privilege.[/quote]
Do you feel that Chicago unto itself is a place that make people corrupt?
Do you feel that this has had an effect upon you? Do you feel that Chicago has made you more corrupt or do you think you have avoided this?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Casca]
I’ve never had ass cancer you idiot. You were born of hemorrhoid cells.
[/quote]
Does that mean I can call you Daddy?

[quote=Casca]
“Do you really think that any manipulation of the market is synonymous with a command economy?”

When the government does it, yes.

“Does that include when private parties manipulate it or just when government does?”

Your attempt to put me in a reductio ad absurdum box is childish.
[/quote]
I was not trying to do anything. I sought to draw out your direction, and I think it is a fair question. Let me give 2 examples: the fear of manipulation in the Sirius XM merger and nature of telecommunications during the era of Ma Bell. Again, I pose the question: does this fall under your rubric of market manipulation and/or command economy?
[quote=Casca]
Of course there is a part for government in creating structure, but not in determining who should get subsidies for not planting what, or how many lesbian dwarfs you must have on your payroll. Government’s role is too great, and has been for decades. Those who can’t see this are part of the problem.
[/quote]
So where do you see the appropriate limit of government control? Where does the “creation of structure” end?
[quote=Casca]

“Do you really think that public schools do not teach the history or traditions of the US? My wife who teaches US history to (predominantly immigrant) students would perhaps disagree. Again, its a question.”

Does she have a history degree, or an education degree?
[/quote]
Both actually. Also, a master’s degree in political theory.
[quote=Casca]
Considering the vast sums expended, our public schools are a disgrace. We pay for filet mignon, and get hot dogs.
[/quote]
Bearing in mind that I am a foodie that prefers hot dogs to tenderloin, I have some questions about that. What alternative models (anywhere) would you point to? What would you see as a way to improve the schools?
[quote=Casca]

“Is it your contention that his mother’s perceived lack of patriotism should disqualify him from running? Is it your contention that his foreign schooling should disqualify him from running?”

People vote for those with whom they believe they share values, thus the 92% black vote he’ll reap. Although to the dismay of MLK, most we’ll be voting based on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character. A lot more Americans will look at his foreign childhood in the Indonesian Madrassas, and conclude that he isn’t PLU. [/quote]
While I find it humorous that you would use the Southeast Asian slang acronym for gay (People Like Us), I don’t know that most spectators will see the problems with him that you see. His birth and citizenship are public record (in the US). The type of secular school he attended is common throughout southeast Asia. My brother in law (a surly New York Italian) teaches at one in Singapore. They have occasional religious classes but they are not madrasas (like in Waziristan) unless you mean in the strictest sense (madrasa just means school). Is it your assertion that his record of birth was faked? do you assert that the school (or all secular schools in southeast Asia) is/are faking there secular credentials?

[quote=Casca]
I have nothing in common with the man, except that I too have spent years in the political gutter that is Chicago, and know what one finds there… raw opportunism, but that has been his trajectory since his arrival in Hawaii as a teenager, and entry into the halls of privilege.[/quote]
Do you feel that Chicago unto itself is a place that make people corrupt?
Do you feel that this has had an effect upon you? Do you feel that Chicago has made you more corrupt or do you think you have avoided this?

[gandalf]

$10 bucks says ass-cancer rants about liberals next…

Free beer for dan if he adresses the arguments.

(He has to use a fact though. Something you could look up on Wikipedia.)

[gandalf]

$10 bucks says ass-cancer rants about liberals next…

Free beer for dan if he adresses the arguments.

(He has to use a fact though. Something you could look up on Wikipedia.)

[gandalf]

$10 bucks says ass-cancer rants about liberals next…

Free beer for dan if he adresses the arguments.

(He has to use a fact though. Something you could look up on Wikipedia.)

[gandalf]

$10 bucks says ass-cancer rants about liberals next…

Free beer for dan if he adresses the arguments.

(He has to use a fact though. Something you could look up on Wikipedia.)

[gandalf]

$10 bucks says ass-cancer rants about liberals next…

Free beer for dan if he adresses the arguments.

(He has to use a fact though. Something you could look up on Wikipedia.)

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] I have nothing in common with the man, except that I too have spent years in the political gutter that is Chicago, and know what one finds there… raw opportunism, but that has been his trajectory since his arrival in Hawaii as a teenager, and entry into the halls of privilege.[/quote]

A sweeping generalization about a stranger, who has the courage to open up his entire life to the public eye. Who has devoted much time and effort to public service. How can you be so arrogant as to think you know what someone’s “trajectory” since being a teenager could possibly be? You are accusing him of guilt by association–for the same crime you confess to have committed–being involved in politics in Chicago. Unless you spent time getting to know any person, you cannot possibly have any insight into what their motivations are. It is equally possible that he got involved in Chicago politics as a youthful, idealistic black man to “make a difference” in one of the most poverty-striken, racially divided areas of the country?

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] I have nothing in common with the man, except that I too have spent years in the political gutter that is Chicago, and know what one finds there… raw opportunism, but that has been his trajectory since his arrival in Hawaii as a teenager, and entry into the halls of privilege.[/quote]

A sweeping generalization about a stranger, who has the courage to open up his entire life to the public eye. Who has devoted much time and effort to public service. How can you be so arrogant as to think you know what someone’s “trajectory” since being a teenager could possibly be? You are accusing him of guilt by association–for the same crime you confess to have committed–being involved in politics in Chicago. Unless you spent time getting to know any person, you cannot possibly have any insight into what their motivations are. It is equally possible that he got involved in Chicago politics as a youthful, idealistic black man to “make a difference” in one of the most poverty-striken, racially divided areas of the country?

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] I have nothing in common with the man, except that I too have spent years in the political gutter that is Chicago, and know what one finds there… raw opportunism, but that has been his trajectory since his arrival in Hawaii as a teenager, and entry into the halls of privilege.[/quote]

A sweeping generalization about a stranger, who has the courage to open up his entire life to the public eye. Who has devoted much time and effort to public service. How can you be so arrogant as to think you know what someone’s “trajectory” since being a teenager could possibly be? You are accusing him of guilt by association–for the same crime you confess to have committed–being involved in politics in Chicago. Unless you spent time getting to know any person, you cannot possibly have any insight into what their motivations are. It is equally possible that he got involved in Chicago politics as a youthful, idealistic black man to “make a difference” in one of the most poverty-striken, racially divided areas of the country?

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] I have nothing in common with the man, except that I too have spent years in the political gutter that is Chicago, and know what one finds there… raw opportunism, but that has been his trajectory since his arrival in Hawaii as a teenager, and entry into the halls of privilege.[/quote]

A sweeping generalization about a stranger, who has the courage to open up his entire life to the public eye. Who has devoted much time and effort to public service. How can you be so arrogant as to think you know what someone’s “trajectory” since being a teenager could possibly be? You are accusing him of guilt by association–for the same crime you confess to have committed–being involved in politics in Chicago. Unless you spent time getting to know any person, you cannot possibly have any insight into what their motivations are. It is equally possible that he got involved in Chicago politics as a youthful, idealistic black man to “make a difference” in one of the most poverty-striken, racially divided areas of the country?

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