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August 4, 2008 at 12:24 PM #252197August 4, 2008 at 12:36 PM #251975NotCrankyParticipant
AFF/Rus: What is the implied discussion in Marquez et al.
It think the implied discussion is Fascism/Revolution with patriotism and whether Obama is a suitable American in the mix somehwere.. It has a heavy drift factor though, my fault.
August 4, 2008 at 12:36 PM #252137NotCrankyParticipantAFF/Rus: What is the implied discussion in Marquez et al.
It think the implied discussion is Fascism/Revolution with patriotism and whether Obama is a suitable American in the mix somehwere.. It has a heavy drift factor though, my fault.
August 4, 2008 at 12:36 PM #252148NotCrankyParticipantAFF/Rus: What is the implied discussion in Marquez et al.
It think the implied discussion is Fascism/Revolution with patriotism and whether Obama is a suitable American in the mix somehwere.. It has a heavy drift factor though, my fault.
August 4, 2008 at 12:36 PM #252205NotCrankyParticipantAFF/Rus: What is the implied discussion in Marquez et al.
It think the implied discussion is Fascism/Revolution with patriotism and whether Obama is a suitable American in the mix somehwere.. It has a heavy drift factor though, my fault.
August 4, 2008 at 12:36 PM #252212NotCrankyParticipantAFF/Rus: What is the implied discussion in Marquez et al.
It think the implied discussion is Fascism/Revolution with patriotism and whether Obama is a suitable American in the mix somehwere.. It has a heavy drift factor though, my fault.
August 4, 2008 at 12:40 PM #251990ShadowfaxParticipant[quote=Casca]
Stanley Kurtz has reconstructed Bobama’s lost statehouse years from his local media archives. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp
Surprise, surprise, surprise, guess what he’s found.[/quote]Of course that’s what a “Neo-Conservative” paper would look for in examining Obama’s background. Here’s the Standard’s own assessment of its “objectiveness” in news reporting (from Wikipedia):
In an interview with senior Standard writer Matt Labash published by JournalismJobs.com in May 2003, Labash was asked why conservative media outlets had enjoyed recent popularity. Labash responded, somewhat jocularly:[1]
“ Because they feed the rage. We bring the pain to the liberal media. I say that mockingly, but it’s true somewhat. We come with a strong point of view and people like point of view journalism. While all these hand-wringing Freedom Forum types talk about objectivity, the conservative media likes to rap the liberal media on the knuckles for not being objective. We’ve created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It’s a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It’s a great little racket. I’m glad we found it actually.”
Not much credibility there…
August 4, 2008 at 12:40 PM #252154ShadowfaxParticipant[quote=Casca]
Stanley Kurtz has reconstructed Bobama’s lost statehouse years from his local media archives. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp
Surprise, surprise, surprise, guess what he’s found.[/quote]Of course that’s what a “Neo-Conservative” paper would look for in examining Obama’s background. Here’s the Standard’s own assessment of its “objectiveness” in news reporting (from Wikipedia):
In an interview with senior Standard writer Matt Labash published by JournalismJobs.com in May 2003, Labash was asked why conservative media outlets had enjoyed recent popularity. Labash responded, somewhat jocularly:[1]
“ Because they feed the rage. We bring the pain to the liberal media. I say that mockingly, but it’s true somewhat. We come with a strong point of view and people like point of view journalism. While all these hand-wringing Freedom Forum types talk about objectivity, the conservative media likes to rap the liberal media on the knuckles for not being objective. We’ve created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It’s a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It’s a great little racket. I’m glad we found it actually.”
Not much credibility there…
August 4, 2008 at 12:40 PM #252163ShadowfaxParticipant[quote=Casca]
Stanley Kurtz has reconstructed Bobama’s lost statehouse years from his local media archives. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp
Surprise, surprise, surprise, guess what he’s found.[/quote]Of course that’s what a “Neo-Conservative” paper would look for in examining Obama’s background. Here’s the Standard’s own assessment of its “objectiveness” in news reporting (from Wikipedia):
In an interview with senior Standard writer Matt Labash published by JournalismJobs.com in May 2003, Labash was asked why conservative media outlets had enjoyed recent popularity. Labash responded, somewhat jocularly:[1]
“ Because they feed the rage. We bring the pain to the liberal media. I say that mockingly, but it’s true somewhat. We come with a strong point of view and people like point of view journalism. While all these hand-wringing Freedom Forum types talk about objectivity, the conservative media likes to rap the liberal media on the knuckles for not being objective. We’ve created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It’s a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It’s a great little racket. I’m glad we found it actually.”
Not much credibility there…
August 4, 2008 at 12:40 PM #252220ShadowfaxParticipant[quote=Casca]
Stanley Kurtz has reconstructed Bobama’s lost statehouse years from his local media archives. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp
Surprise, surprise, surprise, guess what he’s found.[/quote]Of course that’s what a “Neo-Conservative” paper would look for in examining Obama’s background. Here’s the Standard’s own assessment of its “objectiveness” in news reporting (from Wikipedia):
In an interview with senior Standard writer Matt Labash published by JournalismJobs.com in May 2003, Labash was asked why conservative media outlets had enjoyed recent popularity. Labash responded, somewhat jocularly:[1]
“ Because they feed the rage. We bring the pain to the liberal media. I say that mockingly, but it’s true somewhat. We come with a strong point of view and people like point of view journalism. While all these hand-wringing Freedom Forum types talk about objectivity, the conservative media likes to rap the liberal media on the knuckles for not being objective. We’ve created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It’s a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It’s a great little racket. I’m glad we found it actually.”
Not much credibility there…
August 4, 2008 at 12:40 PM #252227ShadowfaxParticipant[quote=Casca]
Stanley Kurtz has reconstructed Bobama’s lost statehouse years from his local media archives. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp
Surprise, surprise, surprise, guess what he’s found.[/quote]Of course that’s what a “Neo-Conservative” paper would look for in examining Obama’s background. Here’s the Standard’s own assessment of its “objectiveness” in news reporting (from Wikipedia):
In an interview with senior Standard writer Matt Labash published by JournalismJobs.com in May 2003, Labash was asked why conservative media outlets had enjoyed recent popularity. Labash responded, somewhat jocularly:[1]
“ Because they feed the rage. We bring the pain to the liberal media. I say that mockingly, but it’s true somewhat. We come with a strong point of view and people like point of view journalism. While all these hand-wringing Freedom Forum types talk about objectivity, the conservative media likes to rap the liberal media on the knuckles for not being objective. We’ve created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It’s a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It’s a great little racket. I’m glad we found it actually.”
Not much credibility there…
August 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM #252166Allan from FallbrookParticipantShadowfax: “Spasibo”? Uh-oh, now we’ve got the Russians involved?
I brought up Marquez and Vargas Llosa largely because I thought their respective writings had some bearing on the topic at hand. Marquez is something of a disappointment to me, in that he is an apologist for Castro (something that Vargas Llosa has taken him to task for in the past).
I also brought it up in the context of fascism, communism and republicanism. Rus linked a piece from Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”, which I personally think is some of his best writing. The Spanish Civil War also provides an excellent backdrop to the thread given the history of that conflict and the involvement of the Germans, Italians and Soviets.
We get could really discursive and go off on a fresh tangent regarding “wars of liberation” that pitted various ideologies against each other and how those wars still resonate to this day. And how they manifest themselves in the dialogue we are having now (between liberals and conservatives).
August 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM #252333Allan from FallbrookParticipantShadowfax: “Spasibo”? Uh-oh, now we’ve got the Russians involved?
I brought up Marquez and Vargas Llosa largely because I thought their respective writings had some bearing on the topic at hand. Marquez is something of a disappointment to me, in that he is an apologist for Castro (something that Vargas Llosa has taken him to task for in the past).
I also brought it up in the context of fascism, communism and republicanism. Rus linked a piece from Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”, which I personally think is some of his best writing. The Spanish Civil War also provides an excellent backdrop to the thread given the history of that conflict and the involvement of the Germans, Italians and Soviets.
We get could really discursive and go off on a fresh tangent regarding “wars of liberation” that pitted various ideologies against each other and how those wars still resonate to this day. And how they manifest themselves in the dialogue we are having now (between liberals and conservatives).
August 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM #252342Allan from FallbrookParticipantShadowfax: “Spasibo”? Uh-oh, now we’ve got the Russians involved?
I brought up Marquez and Vargas Llosa largely because I thought their respective writings had some bearing on the topic at hand. Marquez is something of a disappointment to me, in that he is an apologist for Castro (something that Vargas Llosa has taken him to task for in the past).
I also brought it up in the context of fascism, communism and republicanism. Rus linked a piece from Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”, which I personally think is some of his best writing. The Spanish Civil War also provides an excellent backdrop to the thread given the history of that conflict and the involvement of the Germans, Italians and Soviets.
We get could really discursive and go off on a fresh tangent regarding “wars of liberation” that pitted various ideologies against each other and how those wars still resonate to this day. And how they manifest themselves in the dialogue we are having now (between liberals and conservatives).
August 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM #252404Allan from FallbrookParticipantShadowfax: “Spasibo”? Uh-oh, now we’ve got the Russians involved?
I brought up Marquez and Vargas Llosa largely because I thought their respective writings had some bearing on the topic at hand. Marquez is something of a disappointment to me, in that he is an apologist for Castro (something that Vargas Llosa has taken him to task for in the past).
I also brought it up in the context of fascism, communism and republicanism. Rus linked a piece from Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”, which I personally think is some of his best writing. The Spanish Civil War also provides an excellent backdrop to the thread given the history of that conflict and the involvement of the Germans, Italians and Soviets.
We get could really discursive and go off on a fresh tangent regarding “wars of liberation” that pitted various ideologies against each other and how those wars still resonate to this day. And how they manifest themselves in the dialogue we are having now (between liberals and conservatives).
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