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April 5, 2008 at 8:13 PM #181642April 5, 2008 at 8:41 PM #181675barnaby33Participant
Personally I don’t think most Americans would know the difference. If they can’t find Florida on a map, would they really miss the southwest?
To my new overlords, yo hablo el Espanol.
Josh
April 5, 2008 at 8:41 PM #181662barnaby33ParticipantPersonally I don’t think most Americans would know the difference. If they can’t find Florida on a map, would they really miss the southwest?
To my new overlords, yo hablo el Espanol.
Josh
April 5, 2008 at 8:41 PM #181703barnaby33ParticipantPersonally I don’t think most Americans would know the difference. If they can’t find Florida on a map, would they really miss the southwest?
To my new overlords, yo hablo el Espanol.
Josh
April 5, 2008 at 8:41 PM #181708barnaby33ParticipantPersonally I don’t think most Americans would know the difference. If they can’t find Florida on a map, would they really miss the southwest?
To my new overlords, yo hablo el Espanol.
Josh
April 5, 2008 at 8:41 PM #181715barnaby33ParticipantPersonally I don’t think most Americans would know the difference. If they can’t find Florida on a map, would they really miss the southwest?
To my new overlords, yo hablo el Espanol.
Josh
April 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM #18179734f3f3fParticipantJoking aside, can anyone set the historical record straight here. Wasn’t Mexico’s claim on the South West when it was part of Spain. And after Mexico’s independence from Spain, these areas were only held for about forty years, before becoming a part of the US. I also seem to remember that the Emperor of Mexico was a Hapsburg, which makes Arnie’s claim stronger than Felipe’s. So that’s how he became governor. Putting aside all indigenous arguments, for Mexico to claim that California is their land, is a bit like saying the East Coast is rightfully still British. Seems a little cock-eyed to me.
April 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM #18185134f3f3fParticipantJoking aside, can anyone set the historical record straight here. Wasn’t Mexico’s claim on the South West when it was part of Spain. And after Mexico’s independence from Spain, these areas were only held for about forty years, before becoming a part of the US. I also seem to remember that the Emperor of Mexico was a Hapsburg, which makes Arnie’s claim stronger than Felipe’s. So that’s how he became governor. Putting aside all indigenous arguments, for Mexico to claim that California is their land, is a bit like saying the East Coast is rightfully still British. Seems a little cock-eyed to me.
April 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM #18184534f3f3fParticipantJoking aside, can anyone set the historical record straight here. Wasn’t Mexico’s claim on the South West when it was part of Spain. And after Mexico’s independence from Spain, these areas were only held for about forty years, before becoming a part of the US. I also seem to remember that the Emperor of Mexico was a Hapsburg, which makes Arnie’s claim stronger than Felipe’s. So that’s how he became governor. Putting aside all indigenous arguments, for Mexico to claim that California is their land, is a bit like saying the East Coast is rightfully still British. Seems a little cock-eyed to me.
April 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM #18183934f3f3fParticipantJoking aside, can anyone set the historical record straight here. Wasn’t Mexico’s claim on the South West when it was part of Spain. And after Mexico’s independence from Spain, these areas were only held for about forty years, before becoming a part of the US. I also seem to remember that the Emperor of Mexico was a Hapsburg, which makes Arnie’s claim stronger than Felipe’s. So that’s how he became governor. Putting aside all indigenous arguments, for Mexico to claim that California is their land, is a bit like saying the East Coast is rightfully still British. Seems a little cock-eyed to me.
April 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM #18180834f3f3fParticipantJoking aside, can anyone set the historical record straight here. Wasn’t Mexico’s claim on the South West when it was part of Spain. And after Mexico’s independence from Spain, these areas were only held for about forty years, before becoming a part of the US. I also seem to remember that the Emperor of Mexico was a Hapsburg, which makes Arnie’s claim stronger than Felipe’s. So that’s how he became governor. Putting aside all indigenous arguments, for Mexico to claim that California is their land, is a bit like saying the East Coast is rightfully still British. Seems a little cock-eyed to me.
April 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM #181837eyePodParticipantThe Habsburg was the head of state of an occupying army (French) so hardly a legitimate claim, especially since he was executed by the Mexicans. And no, it’s not like saying the East Coast is still British, it’s like saying that parts of Arizona still belong to the Navajo (since Mexicans are largely indigenous North Americans). Alta California was part of Mexico for about 300 years (longer than it’s been part of the USA). Baja California has been part of Mexico for about 450 years. Just because the occupying Spanish were the “owners” doesn’t decrease the legitimacy of the claim.
April 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM #181828eyePodParticipantThe Habsburg was the head of state of an occupying army (French) so hardly a legitimate claim, especially since he was executed by the Mexicans. And no, it’s not like saying the East Coast is still British, it’s like saying that parts of Arizona still belong to the Navajo (since Mexicans are largely indigenous North Americans). Alta California was part of Mexico for about 300 years (longer than it’s been part of the USA). Baja California has been part of Mexico for about 450 years. Just because the occupying Spanish were the “owners” doesn’t decrease the legitimacy of the claim.
April 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM #181869eyePodParticipantThe Habsburg was the head of state of an occupying army (French) so hardly a legitimate claim, especially since he was executed by the Mexicans. And no, it’s not like saying the East Coast is still British, it’s like saying that parts of Arizona still belong to the Navajo (since Mexicans are largely indigenous North Americans). Alta California was part of Mexico for about 300 years (longer than it’s been part of the USA). Baja California has been part of Mexico for about 450 years. Just because the occupying Spanish were the “owners” doesn’t decrease the legitimacy of the claim.
April 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM #181875eyePodParticipantThe Habsburg was the head of state of an occupying army (French) so hardly a legitimate claim, especially since he was executed by the Mexicans. And no, it’s not like saying the East Coast is still British, it’s like saying that parts of Arizona still belong to the Navajo (since Mexicans are largely indigenous North Americans). Alta California was part of Mexico for about 300 years (longer than it’s been part of the USA). Baja California has been part of Mexico for about 450 years. Just because the occupying Spanish were the “owners” doesn’t decrease the legitimacy of the claim.
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