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[quote=jstoesz]Engineers can easily go into business and sales (assuming they have the personality for it)…business majors can not go into engineering. Enough said. [/quote]

Are you serious?? Perhaps you should explain precisely what you are referring to when you say “go into business”.

What, exactly, makes up the course of study for “going into business”? And are you saying that business majors are not capable of handling the level of academic studies assigned to engineering students?

Do you also believe that business majors cannot manage the academic demands of science majors?

While it is true (as I mentioned in my earlier post) that the “business admin” curriculum has been expanded AND dumbed down in many cases, the fact remains that there are some seriously rigorous courses of study in many schools. And I know many intelligent, accomplished scientists who would have been forced to withdraw from some of the classes I was required to take back in the ’70s.

So while it is tempting, and often great fun, to make blanket assumptions, it can get a bit old after a while when you’re under that blanket.

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[quote=sdduuuude] And please, for god’s sake, make your little engineers take economics.[/quote]

You’re a god, sdduuuude!! I agree wholeheartedly! In fact, it should be a requirement of both engineering and science curricula, IMHO.[/quote]

That should start in middle school, IMO. There should be mandatory classes on consumer finance so kids understand the credit cards they get when they turn 18.[/quote]

Totally agree with you on your suggestion, Brian. As a parent, you’d have to make sure that the schools weren’t actually bringing in “volunteers” from the credit card companies to teach it, though.

I actually like the idea of assigning a year-long mandatory class in Personal Finance and Investing early in high school. I think if it was structured in the right way, it would be of enormous value to the students in planning out how to pay for college. It should be presented in a videogame format, in which each student is assigned an individual life scenario, with challenges around which they have to manage their finances (i.e., divorced 3 times with alimony payments and child support; catastrophic illness at age 34; a shop-and-hoard addiction; natural disaster scenario with no homeowners’ insurance).

It not only would result in students learning basic money management skills, but it would also contribute toward the development of much-needed critical thinking skills.

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[quote=sdduuuude] And please, for god’s sake, make your little engineers take economics.[/quote]

You’re a god, sdduuuude!! I agree wholeheartedly! In fact, it should be a requirement of both engineering and science curricula, IMHO.[/quote]

That should start in middle school, IMO. There should be mandatory classes on consumer finance so kids understand the credit cards they get when they turn 18.[/quote]

Totally agree with you on your suggestion, Brian. As a parent, you’d have to make sure that the schools weren’t actually bringing in “volunteers” from the credit card companies to teach it, though.

I actually like the idea of assigning a year-long mandatory class in Personal Finance and Investing early in high school. I think if it was structured in the right way, it would be of enormous value to the students in planning out how to pay for college. It should be presented in a videogame format, in which each student is assigned an individual life scenario, with challenges around which they have to manage their finances (i.e., divorced 3 times with alimony payments and child support; catastrophic illness at age 34; a shop-and-hoard addiction; natural disaster scenario with no homeowners’ insurance).

It not only would result in students learning basic money management skills, but it would also contribute toward the development of much-needed critical thinking skills.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=eavesdropper]
[quote=sdduuuude] And please, for god’s sake, make your little engineers take economics.[/quote]

You’re a god, sdduuuude!! I agree wholeheartedly! In fact, it should be a requirement of both engineering and science curricula, IMHO.[/quote]

That should start in middle school, IMO. There should be mandatory classes on consumer finance so kids understand the credit cards they get when they turn 18.[/quote]

Totally agree with you on your suggestion, Brian. As a parent, you’d have to make sure that the schools weren’t actually bringing in “volunteers” from the credit card companies to teach it, though.

I actually like the idea of assigning a year-long mandatory class in Personal Finance and Investing early in high school. I think if it was structured in the right way, it would be of enormous value to the students in planning out how to pay for college. It should be presented in a videogame format, in which each student is assigned an individual life scenario, with challenges around which they have to manage their finances (i.e., divorced 3 times with alimony payments and child support; catastrophic illness at age 34; a shop-and-hoard addiction; natural disaster scenario with no homeowners’ insurance).

It not only would result in students learning basic money management skills, but it would also contribute toward the development of much-needed critical thinking skills.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=eavesdropper]
[quote=sdduuuude] And please, for god’s sake, make your little engineers take economics.[/quote]

You’re a god, sdduuuude!! I agree wholeheartedly! In fact, it should be a requirement of both engineering and science curricula, IMHO.[/quote]

That should start in middle school, IMO. There should be mandatory classes on consumer finance so kids understand the credit cards they get when they turn 18.[/quote]

Totally agree with you on your suggestion, Brian. As a parent, you’d have to make sure that the schools weren’t actually bringing in “volunteers” from the credit card companies to teach it, though.

I actually like the idea of assigning a year-long mandatory class in Personal Finance and Investing early in high school. I think if it was structured in the right way, it would be of enormous value to the students in planning out how to pay for college. It should be presented in a videogame format, in which each student is assigned an individual life scenario, with challenges around which they have to manage their finances (i.e., divorced 3 times with alimony payments and child support; catastrophic illness at age 34; a shop-and-hoard addiction; natural disaster scenario with no homeowners’ insurance).

It not only would result in students learning basic money management skills, but it would also contribute toward the development of much-needed critical thinking skills.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=eavesdropper]
[quote=sdduuuude] And please, for god’s sake, make your little engineers take economics.[/quote]

You’re a god, sdduuuude!! I agree wholeheartedly! In fact, it should be a requirement of both engineering and science curricula, IMHO.[/quote]

That should start in middle school, IMO. There should be mandatory classes on consumer finance so kids understand the credit cards they get when they turn 18.[/quote]

Totally agree with you on your suggestion, Brian. As a parent, you’d have to make sure that the schools weren’t actually bringing in “volunteers” from the credit card companies to teach it, though.

I actually like the idea of assigning a year-long mandatory class in Personal Finance and Investing early in high school. I think if it was structured in the right way, it would be of enormous value to the students in planning out how to pay for college. It should be presented in a videogame format, in which each student is assigned an individual life scenario, with challenges around which they have to manage their finances (i.e., divorced 3 times with alimony payments and child support; catastrophic illness at age 34; a shop-and-hoard addiction; natural disaster scenario with no homeowners’ insurance).

It not only would result in students learning basic money management skills, but it would also contribute toward the development of much-needed critical thinking skills.

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There have been some great suggestions and feedback from people on this thread. However, I have seen a few recommendations to consider nursing or physician assistant career options.

Unless scaredy’s son has a strong desire to be engaged in direct and constant patient care, these are not viable options. While the degrees do require some education in the sciences, overall they cannot be considered careers in science. The same can be said for medical doctors. There’s a lot of basic science involved in undergrad (pre-med), but far less in medical school (unless the student is getting a PhD in a research field simultaneously). Once the student graduates from med school, the chance to work in science is almost always over for good. Even those very few who work in academic medicine, and manage to run a translational research lab while teaching students and carrying a clinical load of patients, are actually spending that “lab” time supervising students or completing grant applications so that they can afford to do the research.

The sad thing is that many students work extremely hard to get themselves into highly competitive nursing or PA programs, and then are shocked by the care-centered curriculum and the direct patient care that pretty much makes up the professional school curriculum. There are far too many unsuited people going into nursing and PA programs these days strictly because they’ve heard that the money is great. For whatever reason, the reality that they will be taking care of very sick human beings never crosses their minds.

There are a huge number of science and engineering jobs in the medical field, for those who have no desire to work with patients. And thanks to the incredible advancement of the last 30 years, a lot of these career choices are really challenging and exciting.

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There have been some great suggestions and feedback from people on this thread. However, I have seen a few recommendations to consider nursing or physician assistant career options.

Unless scaredy’s son has a strong desire to be engaged in direct and constant patient care, these are not viable options. While the degrees do require some education in the sciences, overall they cannot be considered careers in science. The same can be said for medical doctors. There’s a lot of basic science involved in undergrad (pre-med), but far less in medical school (unless the student is getting a PhD in a research field simultaneously). Once the student graduates from med school, the chance to work in science is almost always over for good. Even those very few who work in academic medicine, and manage to run a translational research lab while teaching students and carrying a clinical load of patients, are actually spending that “lab” time supervising students or completing grant applications so that they can afford to do the research.

The sad thing is that many students work extremely hard to get themselves into highly competitive nursing or PA programs, and then are shocked by the care-centered curriculum and the direct patient care that pretty much makes up the professional school curriculum. There are far too many unsuited people going into nursing and PA programs these days strictly because they’ve heard that the money is great. For whatever reason, the reality that they will be taking care of very sick human beings never crosses their minds.

There are a huge number of science and engineering jobs in the medical field, for those who have no desire to work with patients. And thanks to the incredible advancement of the last 30 years, a lot of these career choices are really challenging and exciting.

[eavesdropper]

There have been some great suggestions and feedback from people on this thread. However, I have seen a few recommendations to consider nursing or physician assistant career options.

Unless scaredy’s son has a strong desire to be engaged in direct and constant patient care, these are not viable options. While the degrees do require some education in the sciences, overall they cannot be considered careers in science. The same can be said for medical doctors. There’s a lot of basic science involved in undergrad (pre-med), but far less in medical school (unless the student is getting a PhD in a research field simultaneously). Once the student graduates from med school, the chance to work in science is almost always over for good. Even those very few who work in academic medicine, and manage to run a translational research lab while teaching students and carrying a clinical load of patients, are actually spending that “lab” time supervising students or completing grant applications so that they can afford to do the research.

The sad thing is that many students work extremely hard to get themselves into highly competitive nursing or PA programs, and then are shocked by the care-centered curriculum and the direct patient care that pretty much makes up the professional school curriculum. There are far too many unsuited people going into nursing and PA programs these days strictly because they’ve heard that the money is great. For whatever reason, the reality that they will be taking care of very sick human beings never crosses their minds.

There are a huge number of science and engineering jobs in the medical field, for those who have no desire to work with patients. And thanks to the incredible advancement of the last 30 years, a lot of these career choices are really challenging and exciting.

[eavesdropper]

There have been some great suggestions and feedback from people on this thread. However, I have seen a few recommendations to consider nursing or physician assistant career options.

Unless scaredy’s son has a strong desire to be engaged in direct and constant patient care, these are not viable options. While the degrees do require some education in the sciences, overall they cannot be considered careers in science. The same can be said for medical doctors. There’s a lot of basic science involved in undergrad (pre-med), but far less in medical school (unless the student is getting a PhD in a research field simultaneously). Once the student graduates from med school, the chance to work in science is almost always over for good. Even those very few who work in academic medicine, and manage to run a translational research lab while teaching students and carrying a clinical load of patients, are actually spending that “lab” time supervising students or completing grant applications so that they can afford to do the research.

The sad thing is that many students work extremely hard to get themselves into highly competitive nursing or PA programs, and then are shocked by the care-centered curriculum and the direct patient care that pretty much makes up the professional school curriculum. There are far too many unsuited people going into nursing and PA programs these days strictly because they’ve heard that the money is great. For whatever reason, the reality that they will be taking care of very sick human beings never crosses their minds.

There are a huge number of science and engineering jobs in the medical field, for those who have no desire to work with patients. And thanks to the incredible advancement of the last 30 years, a lot of these career choices are really challenging and exciting.

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