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  • March 6, 2011 at 8:18 PM #674086
    Eugene
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    [quote=sdrealtor]I know several doctors that work internationally and spend time in those higher ranked systems. They wouldnt agree with our system not having the best medical care in the world. Alot of it has to do with the lifestyle people live in these countries. Many of these countries citizen’s subsist on diets with far more fresh fish, fruits and vegatables than we eat in the US. They also lead more active lives than we do. The average american lives are far more unhealthy lifestyle and places a bigger burden on the health care system here. When the leaders of those countries get sick, where do you think they go for medical care?[/quote]

    I wonder if there’s a chart of “unhealthiness” of lifestyles. Talking about life expectancies is too simplistic. At the very least, we should have an answer, does the US have higher age-standardized rates of CVD, cancer, etc., leading to a lower life expectancy? Or is it less effective at curing CVD & cancer? Or maybe a big part of the gap can be explained away without focusing on expensive forms of healthcare for the elderly, by looking strictly at infant mortality, homicides, and traffic accidents?

    Of course, that still does not avoid the question why US healthcare is so expensive. (My own position is that it’s primarily because doctors are severely overpaid compared to all other countries in that chart.)

    March 7, 2011 at 5:32 AM #675040
    UCGal
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    [quote=Eugene]Of course, that still does not avoid the question why US healthcare is so expensive. (My own position is that it’s primarily because doctors are severely overpaid compared to all other countries in that chart.)[/quote]
    My position is that health insurance companies are profit driven, and add a very expensive layer that other countries don’t have – or do much more efficiently.

    March 7, 2011 at 5:32 AM #675388
    UCGal
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    [quote=Eugene]Of course, that still does not avoid the question why US healthcare is so expensive. (My own position is that it’s primarily because doctors are severely overpaid compared to all other countries in that chart.)[/quote]
    My position is that health insurance companies are profit driven, and add a very expensive layer that other countries don’t have – or do much more efficiently.

    March 7, 2011 at 5:32 AM #674290
    UCGal
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    [quote=Eugene]Of course, that still does not avoid the question why US healthcare is so expensive. (My own position is that it’s primarily because doctors are severely overpaid compared to all other countries in that chart.)[/quote]
    My position is that health insurance companies are profit driven, and add a very expensive layer that other countries don’t have – or do much more efficiently.

    March 7, 2011 at 5:32 AM #674902
    UCGal
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    [quote=Eugene]Of course, that still does not avoid the question why US healthcare is so expensive. (My own position is that it’s primarily because doctors are severely overpaid compared to all other countries in that chart.)[/quote]
    My position is that health insurance companies are profit driven, and add a very expensive layer that other countries don’t have – or do much more efficiently.

    March 7, 2011 at 5:32 AM #674233
    UCGal
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    [quote=Eugene]Of course, that still does not avoid the question why US healthcare is so expensive. (My own position is that it’s primarily because doctors are severely overpaid compared to all other countries in that chart.)[/quote]
    My position is that health insurance companies are profit driven, and add a very expensive layer that other countries don’t have – or do much more efficiently.

    March 7, 2011 at 6:14 AM #674922
    SD Realtor
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    I agree with that UCG but I thought the article was pretty neat. It pointed out a few important issues. First off that doctors in Australia are paid much less then they are out here. That there is a MUCH LOWER issue with regards to TORT reform. Finally that the govt very much encourages people to get private health insurance. Also that people cannot be denied due to previous conditions.

    Not to be lost is the issue that the pharma industry (and other lobbyists) have a much tighter stranglehold on the US govt then in Australia so I do not see much hope and change. Yes there will be a govt system put in place but we are already seeing many exceptions being granted as well as those same industries still have a stranglehold on govt.

    Same beat, different drummer. More people covered which is good. Let’s see how much it cost.

    March 7, 2011 at 6:14 AM #674253
    SD Realtor
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    I agree with that UCG but I thought the article was pretty neat. It pointed out a few important issues. First off that doctors in Australia are paid much less then they are out here. That there is a MUCH LOWER issue with regards to TORT reform. Finally that the govt very much encourages people to get private health insurance. Also that people cannot be denied due to previous conditions.

    Not to be lost is the issue that the pharma industry (and other lobbyists) have a much tighter stranglehold on the US govt then in Australia so I do not see much hope and change. Yes there will be a govt system put in place but we are already seeing many exceptions being granted as well as those same industries still have a stranglehold on govt.

    Same beat, different drummer. More people covered which is good. Let’s see how much it cost.

    March 7, 2011 at 6:14 AM #675408
    SD Realtor
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    I agree with that UCG but I thought the article was pretty neat. It pointed out a few important issues. First off that doctors in Australia are paid much less then they are out here. That there is a MUCH LOWER issue with regards to TORT reform. Finally that the govt very much encourages people to get private health insurance. Also that people cannot be denied due to previous conditions.

    Not to be lost is the issue that the pharma industry (and other lobbyists) have a much tighter stranglehold on the US govt then in Australia so I do not see much hope and change. Yes there will be a govt system put in place but we are already seeing many exceptions being granted as well as those same industries still have a stranglehold on govt.

    Same beat, different drummer. More people covered which is good. Let’s see how much it cost.

    March 7, 2011 at 6:14 AM #675060
    SD Realtor
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    I agree with that UCG but I thought the article was pretty neat. It pointed out a few important issues. First off that doctors in Australia are paid much less then they are out here. That there is a MUCH LOWER issue with regards to TORT reform. Finally that the govt very much encourages people to get private health insurance. Also that people cannot be denied due to previous conditions.

    Not to be lost is the issue that the pharma industry (and other lobbyists) have a much tighter stranglehold on the US govt then in Australia so I do not see much hope and change. Yes there will be a govt system put in place but we are already seeing many exceptions being granted as well as those same industries still have a stranglehold on govt.

    Same beat, different drummer. More people covered which is good. Let’s see how much it cost.

    March 7, 2011 at 6:14 AM #674310
    SD Realtor
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    I agree with that UCG but I thought the article was pretty neat. It pointed out a few important issues. First off that doctors in Australia are paid much less then they are out here. That there is a MUCH LOWER issue with regards to TORT reform. Finally that the govt very much encourages people to get private health insurance. Also that people cannot be denied due to previous conditions.

    Not to be lost is the issue that the pharma industry (and other lobbyists) have a much tighter stranglehold on the US govt then in Australia so I do not see much hope and change. Yes there will be a govt system put in place but we are already seeing many exceptions being granted as well as those same industries still have a stranglehold on govt.

    Same beat, different drummer. More people covered which is good. Let’s see how much it cost.

    March 7, 2011 at 9:42 AM #675478
    briansd1
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    Since we know that obesity is an enormous problem, why don’t we do something about it?

    We seem quite complacent as a society.

    http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-cancer-obesity-20110307,0,2785774.story

    March 7, 2011 at 9:42 AM #674993
    briansd1
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    Since we know that obesity is an enormous problem, why don’t we do something about it?

    We seem quite complacent as a society.

    http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-cancer-obesity-20110307,0,2785774.story

    March 7, 2011 at 9:42 AM #674323
    briansd1
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    Since we know that obesity is an enormous problem, why don’t we do something about it?

    We seem quite complacent as a society.

    http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-cancer-obesity-20110307,0,2785774.story

    March 7, 2011 at 9:42 AM #674380
    briansd1
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    Since we know that obesity is an enormous problem, why don’t we do something about it?

    We seem quite complacent as a society.

    http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-cancer-obesity-20110307,0,2785774.story

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