OT: How to get rid of the tire around your waist

[CA renter]

[quote=Jazzman][quote=CA renter]What’s the city planning argument?[/quote]
It’s just a reference to the video posted that shows alternative means of transportation ie more walker-friendly. While any exercise is good, 20 minutes on a treadmill only burns off an apple. For exercise alone to be effective in weight management, you need to workout hard for at least 2 hours everyday.[/quote]

Thanks for the clarification, Jazzman. I thought it was a new term regarding food production or something. 🙂

Agree, if you want to lose weight, diet is the #1 way to do it. Exercise mostly tones things up and makes everything look better. While it burns calories, most people I know end up eating more if they exercise a lot to “make up” for the burned calories and to “feed” their muscles. It’s almost counterproductive in some cases as far as weight loss goes, IMHO.

Not to say that exercising shouldn’t be done, just that people shouldn’t rely on it to lose weight, and they shouldn’t expect to be able to eat a lot more just because they are exercising.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Jazzman][quote=CA renter]What’s the city planning argument?[/quote]
It’s just a reference to the video posted that shows alternative means of transportation ie more walker-friendly. While any exercise is good, 20 minutes on a treadmill only burns off an apple. For exercise alone to be effective in weight management, you need to workout hard for at least 2 hours everyday.[/quote]
Actually newer studies are showing the opposite. Hard workouts are counterproductive, easy workouts are better for weight management.

Ideally, you should hire a gardener to take care of the yard and a weekly housekeeper to clean the place so you can find the time to go to the gym. You also should switch to all take out meals to save time so you can drive fifteen minutes over to the new trendy workout and stop by Costco to pick up a case of coconut water. It is the path to fitness.

I think some of the more interesting thing lately are the focus on sugar and identification of it impacts on its addition to near everything that comes in a package,.

As for the swimmer, the only way to become a better swimmer is to swim.

Honestly I can’t think of a bigger warning sign that you’ve set yourself up for long term failure than needing to be in the gym more than an hour a day. Or every day. It’s.a sign the rest of your life is toxic from a sedentary job and lifestyle to too many structured activities for the kids that require car shuttling and then sitting around,

[NotCranky]

People should forget most of the study results on diet and exercise and do what works for them. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out, but looking at every new opinion can be problematic. Lots of unfit people who have or have had pet experts. In fact, more times or not ,when someone is busy taking sides with the latest opinion , I find that their actual program isn’t all that or won’t be soon. They become members of the unhealthy “I tried that for a while” club.

[FlyerInHi]

Studies only control for some things.

For example there’s a new study indicating that whole milk might be better. That’s because for decades the govt has been telling people to replace fat with carbs. But what about low fat and lots of fresh veggies?

Study after study…. No wonder people are confused.

And most people have only one goal: lose weight or become strong.
A football player maybe strong now but he ain’t lookin’ good at 60, and he ain’t living long.

Health requires a holistic approach. If you can live long and active like Jimmy Carter, then you’re healthy. Too sad about his cancer.

[zk]

[quote=no_such_reality]
Actually newer studies are showing the opposite. Hard workouts are counterproductive, easy workouts are better for weight management.

[/quote]

Links, please.

Here’s a study that says steady-state walking or moderate jogging lead to negligible weight loss, while high intensity interval exercise is much more effective for reducing body fat:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2991639/

[NotCranky]

I can get the same weight loss results with long slow activities or more intense workouts(after a warm-up please). So can most people. However I prefer a balance. Too much slow takes a lot of time and I am bored to death and lose overall strength. A little too much and I am tired all the time. Too much intensity affects the my nervous system in ways I don’t like. It makes me want to fight with people on blogs. That can’t be good for my health. At the muscle fiber level I am genetically a middle of the road kind of guy. There are studies for all of this too.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=Jazzman][quote=CA renter]What’s the city planning argument?[/quote]
It’s just a reference to the video posted that shows alternative means of transportation ie more walker-friendly. While any exercise is good, 20 minutes on a treadmill only burns off an apple. For exercise alone to be effective in weight management, you need to workout hard for at least 2 hours everyday.[/quote]
Actually newer studies are showing the opposite. Hard workouts are counterproductive, easy workouts are better for weight management.

Ideally, you should hire a gardener to take care of the yard and a weekly housekeeper to clean the place so you can find the time to go to the gym. You also should switch to all take out meals to save time so you can drive fifteen minutes over to the new trendy workout and stop by Costco to pick up a case of coconut water. It is the path to fitness.

I think some of the more interesting thing lately are the focus on sugar and identification of it impacts on its addition to near everything that comes in a package,.

As for the swimmer, the only way to become a better swimmer is to swim.

Honestly I can’t think of a bigger warning sign that you’ve set yourself up for long term failure than needing to be in the gym more than an hour a day. Or every day. It’s.a sign the rest of your life is toxic from a sedentary job and lifestyle to too many structured activities for the kids that require car shuttling and then sitting around,[/quote]

Well, lots of us ARE sedentary, NSR. I’ve been a desk jockey all but 8 years of my working life and I’m pretty good at it. It’s the only way I can make good money at this point in time.

The 2.75 hrs I allot for a gym visit includes travel time to/from. I also do errands during that travel time, if needed, to conserve time and gas. My circuit training portion is only 35-45 mins, depending on whether I have to wait to use equipment or if I have changed my routine up that day. I go there 2 – 5 times per week, depending on my workload. Sometimes I take low-impact classes, such as pilates or yoga. But Body Pump is now my favorite class due to its fast results.

And yes, I do ALL my own housework and yardwork unless I need something done on the roof or need a professional, such as electrician, plumber, exterminator, etc. It’s overwhelming to me at times but I cannot afford to hire all this stuff out. Besides work and my personal business, I don’t have a “sedentary lifestyle.” I’ve haven’t watched more than 3 hrs per month of TV is the last 20 years.

There are a lot of “me’s” out there who work from home.

Consistency is the key, whatever you decide to do for fitness. I didn’t go to the gym when I was away from home working FT and commuting 9.5+ hrs day and simultaneously raising kids …. I didn’t have time. However, I did other things such as swim, waterski, snowski and run, none of which I do very often now.

And my life isn’t “toxic” and I’ve never “set myself up for failure” because I never really got out of shape to begin with. I was fortunate in that I have not (yet) had major health issues and was an amateur (and jr high/HS) regional athlete from age 9 – 19. I KNOW what it takes to stay in shape and KNOW what it takes to get back in shape after letting my exercise routine slide a bit. It’s a lifetime commitment to yourself. I now feel fitter than I have in decades, mostly due to Body Pump and pilates. Transformer pilates is also fantastic but tends to be expensive (I’ve been to about 20 sessions, which were gifts to me).

I don’t have any food suggestions on how to lose weight because everyone is different. What works for me for weight maintenance may not work for flu or any other Pigg. My diet might be considered boring because I mostly eat the same things, week in and week out and I very rarely dine out. A lot of people wouldn’t like that lifestyle and I completely understand.

I guess I’ll get cancer some day from using artificial sweeteners all my life. I’ve used them since before powder and packets existed … they were in pill form and liquid form.

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I now use Splenda but I noticed last night that artificial sugar for baking now exists so I got a can of “Zing” to use in holiday baking (which I typically take elsewhere and leave there). I almost never bought sweets, unless it was ordering my kid(s) b-day cakes or buying Halloween candy and chocolate Easter bunnies, none of which I have to do anymore.

You can’t begrudge someone for being “sedentary” if they have to make the best living they can doing whatever they do best, NSR. That’s a bit judgmental, don’t you think? Do YOU have a sedentary job?

[no_such_reality]

[quote=zk][quote=no_such_reality]
Actually newer studies are showing the opposite. Hard workouts are counterproductive, easy workouts are better for weight management.

[/quote]

Links, please.

Here’s a study that says steady-state walking or moderate jogging lead to negligible weight loss, while high intensity interval exercise is much more effective for reducing body fat:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2991639/%5B/quote%5D

Easy as in shorter, not easier. Bad choice of words on my part. http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/getting-enough-exercise

[quote]There’s building evidence that short but frequent bouts of exercise can yield plenty of health benefits. Consider the following fitness findings:

A study published by the American Journal of Sports Medicine in 2006 showed that short walks after dinner were more effective than long exercise sessions in reducing the amount of fat and triglyceride levels in the bloodstream after a hearty meal.
Research published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health showed that short bouts of exercise helped lower blood pressure as well as shave inches off the hips and waistline.
In a study published in Preventive Medicine in 2006, researchers found that multiple workout sessions as short as 6 minutes apiece could help sedentary adults reach fitness goals similar to those achieved by working out for 30 minutes at a time.
In a finding published in the journal Psychopharmacology, doctors found that short bursts of exercise could help reduce the craving for cigarettes and help people quit smoking.[/quote]

There’s a very broken mindset with fitness (especially crossfit fanatics) IMHO, that you need to beat yourself to death. That’s true if you’re 28 with 8% body fat gunning for 6%. If you’re 45, with 3 kids and a 28% fat pot belly, 2 hours in the gym, isn’t a realistic plan.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=no_such_reality]There’s a very broken mindset with fitness (especially crossfit fanatics) IMHO, that you need to beat yourself to death. That’s true if you’re 28 with 8% body fat gunning for 6%. If you’re 45, with 3 kids and a 28% fat pot belly, 2 hours in the gym, isn’t a realistic plan.[/quote]

NSR, how can one reach the age of 62 with a 17-20% body fat ratio if you don’t start somewhere?

If your fictitious 45 year-old remains complacent past their 50th birthday, they’re going to find themselves having (unnecessary, imho) health issues . . . even major health issues.

A long life requires mental and physical discipline and kids benefit as well from a fitter parent.

OTOH, some very fit but unlucky people succumb to cancer relatively young and quickly (I have personally known a few).

We can’t control everything in our lives. All we can do is try to be as healthy as we can.

[FlyerInHi]

BG, good point about sedentary life. People have to work office jobs to make money.

But don’t sit one’s ass down after work. Keeping busy running about doing household work can be enough.

I’m tiling my condo this week. The first day I got back pain. But I’m fine now. between breaks I’m getting my phone all dirty catching up on Piggington.
I can afford to hire someone. But why? I do a good job. And if I hired someone, the job might be worse and I’d be doing less physical activity. I’m killing several birds with 1 stone and saving money.

You should eat lots of green veggies for the antioxidants to fight off the onset of cancer. Or juice.

Oh, about the overwhelming family life. People choose it, then they use it as an excuse to let themselves go.

I think that here, we’re pretty good at making choices, but for the population at large, the government needs to develop a better health policy.

[FlyerInHi]

Not flu, because he doesn’t want surgery.

But if someone in middle age is serious about getting healthy, why not liposuction? That can be the catalyst or “catalytic converter” to a healthy future.

What do you guys think about that?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi] . . . I’m tiling my condo this week. The first day I got back pain. But I’m fine now. between breaks I’m getting my phone all dirty catching up on Piggington.
I can afford to hire someone. But why? I do a good job. And if I hired someone, the job might be worse and I’d be doing less physical activity. I’m killing several birds with 1 stone and saving money . . . [/quote]

I’ve been a tile grunt worker on several occasions, brian. My duties were putting the cross spacers in, wiping away grout and sealing. I’ve assisted on tiling jobs with mats of 2″ squares all the way up to 12″ squares of ceramic or marble tile. I’ve lifted an 18″ square tile in Home Depot but never bought any (was considering it at one time for my large LR). I can’t imagine being bent over and lifting those big squares all day and setting them into the adhesive. It would kill my back.

I guess its nothing that Advil/Aleve can’t cure. Good for you for saving money on installation! The labor costs at least 3X the cost of (ceramic) tile.

[no_such_reality]

BG I’m not talking complacency, I’m, talking about doing something. And frankly, our standard office type jobs are very toxic, we may not have a lot of choice with them, but they are a big root of the problem. Our bodies aren’t intended sit around that much.

Since you’re work out routine is 0.75, I’m curious what you’re doing for the other 2 hours. I don’t count, the changing, the driving (ironic), showering, and waiting around. They are unfortunate side effects of gym memberships. I swim for thirty minutes at the gym, not two hour. If I count the drive there, park, walk into gym, change, wait to lane split, shower, get dressed and leave to get home, I’m easily an hour and I live super close, such that walking to the gym is something I’ve started doing. If I want to use the treadmill or one thing during peak time, my 30 minutes can easily turn into 1.5 hour.

30-45 minutes will be more than enough more most, especially the majority that is overweight, pre diabetes, etc. that doesn’t include getting there and getting ready time. Kudos to you if you’re maintaining 2.75 hours most will fail. And for most, a simple consistent 30 minutes will do a lot of good. you’re working at home, imagine commuting 30 or more minutes each way each day and still squeezing in that gym time. Or squeezing it in, with the commute, with two kids in primary school.

My grandparents never spent a day in the gym, and at 45 would probably be able to out work most of us here. I suspect your grandparent where the same. Setting the expectation you need hours in the gym each day is prefailure for most.

[bearishgurl]

2.75 hr gym allocation

.5 hr travel time (.25 hr each way)
.75 circuit training
1.0 hr Body Pump class OR
1.25 hr pilates class OR
1.5 hr yoga class

Total (up to 2.75 hrs). There is transition time between activities, putting weights and benches back, visiting locker room, changing gloves, putting on shoes, putting mat away, moving to the next room, putting on and taking off headset, etc.

In addition, I stop at the locker room first to lock up everything I’m not using that day and visit it again before leaving. About half the time I change back into street clothes before leaving.

By the time I get back home, it’s almost always 2.5 to 3 hrs later if I don’t do any errands.

This time allotment presupposes that I don’t chat with other “regulars.” We don’t have a juice bar or anything like that to hang out at.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=no_such_reality]

My grandparents never spent a day in the gym, and at 45 would probably be able to out work most of us here. I suspect your grandparent where the same. Setting the expectation you need hours in the gym each day is prefailure for most.[/quote]

I love looking at old back and white pictures. old people love to show their pictures. They used to be more fit. But they had their own problems; smoking, alcoholism, lower education, hot temperament, etc…

You’re right that our sedentary lifestyles are toxic. But our food is toxic also. If you look at videos of production lines making packaging, you know they use a lot of chemicals in the process. Then all those packages are filled with beverages/food to be delivered to the consumers. The food supply also has a lot of “harmless” chemicals used to make the food prettier and last longer .It’s the price we pay for a world of plenty. But people should really learn to cook from scratch.

In my late 40’s I’m younger and more fit than my grandparents were. They were thin but had little pot bellies. (People used to wear their pants higher which showed the pot bellies). I feel like I graduated from college not too long ago. I don’t feel middle age.
60 is the new 40

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