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March 9, 2009 at 8:27 PM #363710March 9, 2009 at 8:51 PM #363123Allan from FallbrookParticipant
Jp: Psst. Buy the 12ga. Trust me, and I have some experience here, there is nothing better close in than a 12ga.
If you want to zink the guy 40+ yards out, then that 5.56mm will do just fine. Also, if you’re firing buck shot, that 12ga will throw a nice dinner plate-sized spread of .25cal pellets, whereas if you’re shooting 5.56mm, you’d better put those rounds right on target. Try doing that in low light or darkness, with your hands shaking, heart beating a million times per second and against a moving target. With a 12ga, you just need to be shooting in the same general area code.
Two to three good blasts with a 12ga and you’ll knock serious bark off your target and really diminish any aggressive instincts he might have.
March 9, 2009 at 8:51 PM #363414Allan from FallbrookParticipantJp: Psst. Buy the 12ga. Trust me, and I have some experience here, there is nothing better close in than a 12ga.
If you want to zink the guy 40+ yards out, then that 5.56mm will do just fine. Also, if you’re firing buck shot, that 12ga will throw a nice dinner plate-sized spread of .25cal pellets, whereas if you’re shooting 5.56mm, you’d better put those rounds right on target. Try doing that in low light or darkness, with your hands shaking, heart beating a million times per second and against a moving target. With a 12ga, you just need to be shooting in the same general area code.
Two to three good blasts with a 12ga and you’ll knock serious bark off your target and really diminish any aggressive instincts he might have.
March 9, 2009 at 8:51 PM #363567Allan from FallbrookParticipantJp: Psst. Buy the 12ga. Trust me, and I have some experience here, there is nothing better close in than a 12ga.
If you want to zink the guy 40+ yards out, then that 5.56mm will do just fine. Also, if you’re firing buck shot, that 12ga will throw a nice dinner plate-sized spread of .25cal pellets, whereas if you’re shooting 5.56mm, you’d better put those rounds right on target. Try doing that in low light or darkness, with your hands shaking, heart beating a million times per second and against a moving target. With a 12ga, you just need to be shooting in the same general area code.
Two to three good blasts with a 12ga and you’ll knock serious bark off your target and really diminish any aggressive instincts he might have.
March 9, 2009 at 8:51 PM #363606Allan from FallbrookParticipantJp: Psst. Buy the 12ga. Trust me, and I have some experience here, there is nothing better close in than a 12ga.
If you want to zink the guy 40+ yards out, then that 5.56mm will do just fine. Also, if you’re firing buck shot, that 12ga will throw a nice dinner plate-sized spread of .25cal pellets, whereas if you’re shooting 5.56mm, you’d better put those rounds right on target. Try doing that in low light or darkness, with your hands shaking, heart beating a million times per second and against a moving target. With a 12ga, you just need to be shooting in the same general area code.
Two to three good blasts with a 12ga and you’ll knock serious bark off your target and really diminish any aggressive instincts he might have.
March 9, 2009 at 8:51 PM #363715Allan from FallbrookParticipantJp: Psst. Buy the 12ga. Trust me, and I have some experience here, there is nothing better close in than a 12ga.
If you want to zink the guy 40+ yards out, then that 5.56mm will do just fine. Also, if you’re firing buck shot, that 12ga will throw a nice dinner plate-sized spread of .25cal pellets, whereas if you’re shooting 5.56mm, you’d better put those rounds right on target. Try doing that in low light or darkness, with your hands shaking, heart beating a million times per second and against a moving target. With a 12ga, you just need to be shooting in the same general area code.
Two to three good blasts with a 12ga and you’ll knock serious bark off your target and really diminish any aggressive instincts he might have.
March 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM #363182jpinpbParticipantAllan – Thanks for the tip. I’ll check into it. Good point about in low light/dark and shaking w/heart beating. But you know, you hear crazy stories about flight/fight and adrenaline and people getting extraordinary strength in dire circumstances/situations.
I hope I never have to be in that situation. The Carmel Valley incidences w/the garage door entries are frightful. Makes me want to carry something small in my purse besides mace.
Or if you come home and someone is already there. I mean, how horrible to come home and not have your dog greet you b/c someone already took it out and is lying in wait.
Just can’t live in fear, I guess. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
March 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM #363474jpinpbParticipantAllan – Thanks for the tip. I’ll check into it. Good point about in low light/dark and shaking w/heart beating. But you know, you hear crazy stories about flight/fight and adrenaline and people getting extraordinary strength in dire circumstances/situations.
I hope I never have to be in that situation. The Carmel Valley incidences w/the garage door entries are frightful. Makes me want to carry something small in my purse besides mace.
Or if you come home and someone is already there. I mean, how horrible to come home and not have your dog greet you b/c someone already took it out and is lying in wait.
Just can’t live in fear, I guess. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
March 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM #363627jpinpbParticipantAllan – Thanks for the tip. I’ll check into it. Good point about in low light/dark and shaking w/heart beating. But you know, you hear crazy stories about flight/fight and adrenaline and people getting extraordinary strength in dire circumstances/situations.
I hope I never have to be in that situation. The Carmel Valley incidences w/the garage door entries are frightful. Makes me want to carry something small in my purse besides mace.
Or if you come home and someone is already there. I mean, how horrible to come home and not have your dog greet you b/c someone already took it out and is lying in wait.
Just can’t live in fear, I guess. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
March 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM #363666jpinpbParticipantAllan – Thanks for the tip. I’ll check into it. Good point about in low light/dark and shaking w/heart beating. But you know, you hear crazy stories about flight/fight and adrenaline and people getting extraordinary strength in dire circumstances/situations.
I hope I never have to be in that situation. The Carmel Valley incidences w/the garage door entries are frightful. Makes me want to carry something small in my purse besides mace.
Or if you come home and someone is already there. I mean, how horrible to come home and not have your dog greet you b/c someone already took it out and is lying in wait.
Just can’t live in fear, I guess. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
March 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM #363775jpinpbParticipantAllan – Thanks for the tip. I’ll check into it. Good point about in low light/dark and shaking w/heart beating. But you know, you hear crazy stories about flight/fight and adrenaline and people getting extraordinary strength in dire circumstances/situations.
I hope I never have to be in that situation. The Carmel Valley incidences w/the garage door entries are frightful. Makes me want to carry something small in my purse besides mace.
Or if you come home and someone is already there. I mean, how horrible to come home and not have your dog greet you b/c someone already took it out and is lying in wait.
Just can’t live in fear, I guess. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
March 9, 2009 at 10:20 PM #363193Allan from FallbrookParticipantJp: No worries and, so you know, I wasn’t busting your chops, nor your choice of weapons. What you won’t see on most movies or TV shows is that the most effective weapon when moving through a house or confined space is a pistol/revolver and not a long arm like a rifle or shotgun.
There is some good info out there in terms of properly preparing yourself for these environments, including handling a weapon in substandard conditions. The biggest mistake most shooters make is thinking that conditions will be similar to those found on the range, i.e. controlled in terms of light, sound and action. The reality is the opposite. I hear your point about reactions under stress, but, in truth, the actuality is that you’ll have tremendous difficulty keeping on target and putting rounds into the kill zone (center mass).
Look up reports on the 1970 Newhall Massacre or the 1986 FBI Miami shootout to see what happens to even trained law enforcement officers under the stress of a gunfight. It’s pretty fascinating stuff.
March 9, 2009 at 10:20 PM #363484Allan from FallbrookParticipantJp: No worries and, so you know, I wasn’t busting your chops, nor your choice of weapons. What you won’t see on most movies or TV shows is that the most effective weapon when moving through a house or confined space is a pistol/revolver and not a long arm like a rifle or shotgun.
There is some good info out there in terms of properly preparing yourself for these environments, including handling a weapon in substandard conditions. The biggest mistake most shooters make is thinking that conditions will be similar to those found on the range, i.e. controlled in terms of light, sound and action. The reality is the opposite. I hear your point about reactions under stress, but, in truth, the actuality is that you’ll have tremendous difficulty keeping on target and putting rounds into the kill zone (center mass).
Look up reports on the 1970 Newhall Massacre or the 1986 FBI Miami shootout to see what happens to even trained law enforcement officers under the stress of a gunfight. It’s pretty fascinating stuff.
March 9, 2009 at 10:20 PM #363637Allan from FallbrookParticipantJp: No worries and, so you know, I wasn’t busting your chops, nor your choice of weapons. What you won’t see on most movies or TV shows is that the most effective weapon when moving through a house or confined space is a pistol/revolver and not a long arm like a rifle or shotgun.
There is some good info out there in terms of properly preparing yourself for these environments, including handling a weapon in substandard conditions. The biggest mistake most shooters make is thinking that conditions will be similar to those found on the range, i.e. controlled in terms of light, sound and action. The reality is the opposite. I hear your point about reactions under stress, but, in truth, the actuality is that you’ll have tremendous difficulty keeping on target and putting rounds into the kill zone (center mass).
Look up reports on the 1970 Newhall Massacre or the 1986 FBI Miami shootout to see what happens to even trained law enforcement officers under the stress of a gunfight. It’s pretty fascinating stuff.
March 9, 2009 at 10:20 PM #363676Allan from FallbrookParticipantJp: No worries and, so you know, I wasn’t busting your chops, nor your choice of weapons. What you won’t see on most movies or TV shows is that the most effective weapon when moving through a house or confined space is a pistol/revolver and not a long arm like a rifle or shotgun.
There is some good info out there in terms of properly preparing yourself for these environments, including handling a weapon in substandard conditions. The biggest mistake most shooters make is thinking that conditions will be similar to those found on the range, i.e. controlled in terms of light, sound and action. The reality is the opposite. I hear your point about reactions under stress, but, in truth, the actuality is that you’ll have tremendous difficulty keeping on target and putting rounds into the kill zone (center mass).
Look up reports on the 1970 Newhall Massacre or the 1986 FBI Miami shootout to see what happens to even trained law enforcement officers under the stress of a gunfight. It’s pretty fascinating stuff.
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