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December 28, 2010 at 7:34 PM #646559December 28, 2010 at 8:41 PM #645451
Arraya
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=Arraya]LOL The Russians oil production peaked two years ago…
[/quote]LOL oil prices peaked two years ago too. Why spend money pumping it, refining it, putting it in tankers when the price is falling? Wait till the price hits $120/barrel in 6 months and you’ll see their production ramp right back up to where it was in 2008. Gold mines slow down when the price falls and ramp up when it increases, it’s the same in the oil biz too.[/quote]
your time line is off they started decreasing before the price peaked. But that is beside the point. I will say it again:
We have 150 years of observing oil wells peak and decline, even in Russia. We have also seen, towns, regions and countries peak and decline. It’s no secret that the US peaked in 71, Iran 74, Mexico 2003(dropping like a rock), so forth and so on. Central Texas is littered with ghost towns that have been sucked dry. We have not made a major discover since the sixties.
The only major players today with spare capacity are SA and Iraq(Saddam was not good at pumping oil). Maybe Russia But it’s kind of irrelevant to the big picture.
Also, peak oil is about maximum FLOW RATE and nothing more, Obviously if oil was abiotic it would still have a maximum flow rate.
Interestingly, peak oil seems to be a double secret reverse conspiracy. It’s categorically denied by official sources. They claim like 2025 onward. There is even ample evidence of the Bush admin putting pressure on agencies to fudge the numbers to the optimistic side – to “not panic financial markets”. The greens claim it is an oil company conspiracy to get high oil prices, those on the right claim it is to implement socialism and official sources deny it. Pay no attention to the hands of texas oil men all over the corpse of Iraq – which could be the new Saudi Arabia.
December 28, 2010 at 8:41 PM #645521Arraya
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=Arraya]LOL The Russians oil production peaked two years ago…
[/quote]LOL oil prices peaked two years ago too. Why spend money pumping it, refining it, putting it in tankers when the price is falling? Wait till the price hits $120/barrel in 6 months and you’ll see their production ramp right back up to where it was in 2008. Gold mines slow down when the price falls and ramp up when it increases, it’s the same in the oil biz too.[/quote]
your time line is off they started decreasing before the price peaked. But that is beside the point. I will say it again:
We have 150 years of observing oil wells peak and decline, even in Russia. We have also seen, towns, regions and countries peak and decline. It’s no secret that the US peaked in 71, Iran 74, Mexico 2003(dropping like a rock), so forth and so on. Central Texas is littered with ghost towns that have been sucked dry. We have not made a major discover since the sixties.
The only major players today with spare capacity are SA and Iraq(Saddam was not good at pumping oil). Maybe Russia But it’s kind of irrelevant to the big picture.
Also, peak oil is about maximum FLOW RATE and nothing more, Obviously if oil was abiotic it would still have a maximum flow rate.
Interestingly, peak oil seems to be a double secret reverse conspiracy. It’s categorically denied by official sources. They claim like 2025 onward. There is even ample evidence of the Bush admin putting pressure on agencies to fudge the numbers to the optimistic side – to “not panic financial markets”. The greens claim it is an oil company conspiracy to get high oil prices, those on the right claim it is to implement socialism and official sources deny it. Pay no attention to the hands of texas oil men all over the corpse of Iraq – which could be the new Saudi Arabia.
December 28, 2010 at 8:41 PM #646104Arraya
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=Arraya]LOL The Russians oil production peaked two years ago…
[/quote]LOL oil prices peaked two years ago too. Why spend money pumping it, refining it, putting it in tankers when the price is falling? Wait till the price hits $120/barrel in 6 months and you’ll see their production ramp right back up to where it was in 2008. Gold mines slow down when the price falls and ramp up when it increases, it’s the same in the oil biz too.[/quote]
your time line is off they started decreasing before the price peaked. But that is beside the point. I will say it again:
We have 150 years of observing oil wells peak and decline, even in Russia. We have also seen, towns, regions and countries peak and decline. It’s no secret that the US peaked in 71, Iran 74, Mexico 2003(dropping like a rock), so forth and so on. Central Texas is littered with ghost towns that have been sucked dry. We have not made a major discover since the sixties.
The only major players today with spare capacity are SA and Iraq(Saddam was not good at pumping oil). Maybe Russia But it’s kind of irrelevant to the big picture.
Also, peak oil is about maximum FLOW RATE and nothing more, Obviously if oil was abiotic it would still have a maximum flow rate.
Interestingly, peak oil seems to be a double secret reverse conspiracy. It’s categorically denied by official sources. They claim like 2025 onward. There is even ample evidence of the Bush admin putting pressure on agencies to fudge the numbers to the optimistic side – to “not panic financial markets”. The greens claim it is an oil company conspiracy to get high oil prices, those on the right claim it is to implement socialism and official sources deny it. Pay no attention to the hands of texas oil men all over the corpse of Iraq – which could be the new Saudi Arabia.
December 28, 2010 at 8:41 PM #646243Arraya
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=Arraya]LOL The Russians oil production peaked two years ago…
[/quote]LOL oil prices peaked two years ago too. Why spend money pumping it, refining it, putting it in tankers when the price is falling? Wait till the price hits $120/barrel in 6 months and you’ll see their production ramp right back up to where it was in 2008. Gold mines slow down when the price falls and ramp up when it increases, it’s the same in the oil biz too.[/quote]
your time line is off they started decreasing before the price peaked. But that is beside the point. I will say it again:
We have 150 years of observing oil wells peak and decline, even in Russia. We have also seen, towns, regions and countries peak and decline. It’s no secret that the US peaked in 71, Iran 74, Mexico 2003(dropping like a rock), so forth and so on. Central Texas is littered with ghost towns that have been sucked dry. We have not made a major discover since the sixties.
The only major players today with spare capacity are SA and Iraq(Saddam was not good at pumping oil). Maybe Russia But it’s kind of irrelevant to the big picture.
Also, peak oil is about maximum FLOW RATE and nothing more, Obviously if oil was abiotic it would still have a maximum flow rate.
Interestingly, peak oil seems to be a double secret reverse conspiracy. It’s categorically denied by official sources. They claim like 2025 onward. There is even ample evidence of the Bush admin putting pressure on agencies to fudge the numbers to the optimistic side – to “not panic financial markets”. The greens claim it is an oil company conspiracy to get high oil prices, those on the right claim it is to implement socialism and official sources deny it. Pay no attention to the hands of texas oil men all over the corpse of Iraq – which could be the new Saudi Arabia.
December 28, 2010 at 8:41 PM #646569Arraya
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=Arraya]LOL The Russians oil production peaked two years ago…
[/quote]LOL oil prices peaked two years ago too. Why spend money pumping it, refining it, putting it in tankers when the price is falling? Wait till the price hits $120/barrel in 6 months and you’ll see their production ramp right back up to where it was in 2008. Gold mines slow down when the price falls and ramp up when it increases, it’s the same in the oil biz too.[/quote]
your time line is off they started decreasing before the price peaked. But that is beside the point. I will say it again:
We have 150 years of observing oil wells peak and decline, even in Russia. We have also seen, towns, regions and countries peak and decline. It’s no secret that the US peaked in 71, Iran 74, Mexico 2003(dropping like a rock), so forth and so on. Central Texas is littered with ghost towns that have been sucked dry. We have not made a major discover since the sixties.
The only major players today with spare capacity are SA and Iraq(Saddam was not good at pumping oil). Maybe Russia But it’s kind of irrelevant to the big picture.
Also, peak oil is about maximum FLOW RATE and nothing more, Obviously if oil was abiotic it would still have a maximum flow rate.
Interestingly, peak oil seems to be a double secret reverse conspiracy. It’s categorically denied by official sources. They claim like 2025 onward. There is even ample evidence of the Bush admin putting pressure on agencies to fudge the numbers to the optimistic side – to “not panic financial markets”. The greens claim it is an oil company conspiracy to get high oil prices, those on the right claim it is to implement socialism and official sources deny it. Pay no attention to the hands of texas oil men all over the corpse of Iraq – which could be the new Saudi Arabia.
December 28, 2010 at 10:17 PM #645490paramount
Participant[quote=temeculaguy]It is true that happy people tend to overlook things that other people don’t, guilty as charged. But the reverse is true, unhappy people tend to exaggerate the negative, then they start thinking everyone is siphoning their gas.[/quote]
That’s the thing though, I’m not unhappy in Temecula.
But I see Temecula through clear eyes for what it is….and isn’t.
Temecula exists in large part due to the slow growth movement in San Diego County that were voted on about 20 years ago.
If it weren’t for San Diego and Orange Counties, Temecula would barely be on the map.
Regardless, it is what it is.
Temecula is a bedroom community, I’ve lived in Temecula long enough to know that.
The high paying jobs are largely in San Diego and Orange County; that is unless your the City Manager of Temecula who makes almost as much as the President of the United States.
December 28, 2010 at 10:17 PM #645561paramount
Participant[quote=temeculaguy]It is true that happy people tend to overlook things that other people don’t, guilty as charged. But the reverse is true, unhappy people tend to exaggerate the negative, then they start thinking everyone is siphoning their gas.[/quote]
That’s the thing though, I’m not unhappy in Temecula.
But I see Temecula through clear eyes for what it is….and isn’t.
Temecula exists in large part due to the slow growth movement in San Diego County that were voted on about 20 years ago.
If it weren’t for San Diego and Orange Counties, Temecula would barely be on the map.
Regardless, it is what it is.
Temecula is a bedroom community, I’ve lived in Temecula long enough to know that.
The high paying jobs are largely in San Diego and Orange County; that is unless your the City Manager of Temecula who makes almost as much as the President of the United States.
December 28, 2010 at 10:17 PM #646144paramount
Participant[quote=temeculaguy]It is true that happy people tend to overlook things that other people don’t, guilty as charged. But the reverse is true, unhappy people tend to exaggerate the negative, then they start thinking everyone is siphoning their gas.[/quote]
That’s the thing though, I’m not unhappy in Temecula.
But I see Temecula through clear eyes for what it is….and isn’t.
Temecula exists in large part due to the slow growth movement in San Diego County that were voted on about 20 years ago.
If it weren’t for San Diego and Orange Counties, Temecula would barely be on the map.
Regardless, it is what it is.
Temecula is a bedroom community, I’ve lived in Temecula long enough to know that.
The high paying jobs are largely in San Diego and Orange County; that is unless your the City Manager of Temecula who makes almost as much as the President of the United States.
December 28, 2010 at 10:17 PM #646283paramount
Participant[quote=temeculaguy]It is true that happy people tend to overlook things that other people don’t, guilty as charged. But the reverse is true, unhappy people tend to exaggerate the negative, then they start thinking everyone is siphoning their gas.[/quote]
That’s the thing though, I’m not unhappy in Temecula.
But I see Temecula through clear eyes for what it is….and isn’t.
Temecula exists in large part due to the slow growth movement in San Diego County that were voted on about 20 years ago.
If it weren’t for San Diego and Orange Counties, Temecula would barely be on the map.
Regardless, it is what it is.
Temecula is a bedroom community, I’ve lived in Temecula long enough to know that.
The high paying jobs are largely in San Diego and Orange County; that is unless your the City Manager of Temecula who makes almost as much as the President of the United States.
December 28, 2010 at 10:17 PM #646609paramount
Participant[quote=temeculaguy]It is true that happy people tend to overlook things that other people don’t, guilty as charged. But the reverse is true, unhappy people tend to exaggerate the negative, then they start thinking everyone is siphoning their gas.[/quote]
That’s the thing though, I’m not unhappy in Temecula.
But I see Temecula through clear eyes for what it is….and isn’t.
Temecula exists in large part due to the slow growth movement in San Diego County that were voted on about 20 years ago.
If it weren’t for San Diego and Orange Counties, Temecula would barely be on the map.
Regardless, it is what it is.
Temecula is a bedroom community, I’ve lived in Temecula long enough to know that.
The high paying jobs are largely in San Diego and Orange County; that is unless your the City Manager of Temecula who makes almost as much as the President of the United States.
December 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM #645495Aecetia
ParticipantIt is clear to me that TG knows more about Temecula than the City Manager. He should be in charge. He is their biggest promoter. I also agree with him about being happy where you live and in the work you do. If not, all around you will suffer.
I live out in the sticks and do not have to commute to work any more, but when I did, I tried to make the most of my drive by listening to programs I wanted to hear during the drive. I also enjoyed watching the seasons change during the drive. At one time La Mesa was considered a long drive from San Diego. I guess it is all relative.
Those who live in Temecula, but work elsewhere will find a way if gas prices go crazy, either by car pooling or some other arrangement with their job. I do not see it turning into a ghost town.
December 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM #645566Aecetia
ParticipantIt is clear to me that TG knows more about Temecula than the City Manager. He should be in charge. He is their biggest promoter. I also agree with him about being happy where you live and in the work you do. If not, all around you will suffer.
I live out in the sticks and do not have to commute to work any more, but when I did, I tried to make the most of my drive by listening to programs I wanted to hear during the drive. I also enjoyed watching the seasons change during the drive. At one time La Mesa was considered a long drive from San Diego. I guess it is all relative.
Those who live in Temecula, but work elsewhere will find a way if gas prices go crazy, either by car pooling or some other arrangement with their job. I do not see it turning into a ghost town.
December 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM #646149Aecetia
ParticipantIt is clear to me that TG knows more about Temecula than the City Manager. He should be in charge. He is their biggest promoter. I also agree with him about being happy where you live and in the work you do. If not, all around you will suffer.
I live out in the sticks and do not have to commute to work any more, but when I did, I tried to make the most of my drive by listening to programs I wanted to hear during the drive. I also enjoyed watching the seasons change during the drive. At one time La Mesa was considered a long drive from San Diego. I guess it is all relative.
Those who live in Temecula, but work elsewhere will find a way if gas prices go crazy, either by car pooling or some other arrangement with their job. I do not see it turning into a ghost town.
December 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM #646288Aecetia
ParticipantIt is clear to me that TG knows more about Temecula than the City Manager. He should be in charge. He is their biggest promoter. I also agree with him about being happy where you live and in the work you do. If not, all around you will suffer.
I live out in the sticks and do not have to commute to work any more, but when I did, I tried to make the most of my drive by listening to programs I wanted to hear during the drive. I also enjoyed watching the seasons change during the drive. At one time La Mesa was considered a long drive from San Diego. I guess it is all relative.
Those who live in Temecula, but work elsewhere will find a way if gas prices go crazy, either by car pooling or some other arrangement with their job. I do not see it turning into a ghost town.
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