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[quote=CA renter][quote=ocrenter][quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.[/quote]

You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.[/quote]

CArenter, I also have one of these. One of my kids has been overweight since birth, including the entire time of breastfeeding (exclusively until 7 months old). My other kid is overly skinny. No appreciable differences during pregnancy or since. Definitely makes you realize how much of this is baked in to the genes.

[briansd1]

[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]

Welcome cf. Stick around. We need new posters here.

[briansd1]

[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]

Welcome cf. Stick around. We need new posters here.

[briansd1]

[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]

Welcome cf. Stick around. We need new posters here.

[briansd1]

[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]

Welcome cf. Stick around. We need new posters here.

[briansd1]

[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]

Welcome cf. Stick around. We need new posters here.

[briansd1]

This obesity issue is controversial because people see themselves and take it personally. As more and more of the population is fat, the issue becomes more of a hot potato, despite the science.

The data is there. As ocrenter pointed out, obesity in America is a huge problem. The progression of obesity over the years shows that it’s a food and behavior problem more than a genetic problem.

Of course some people are predisposed to eating more, and metabolizing less calories.

We are not born the same.

If a person is naturally fat, that person has to try harder. She needs to eat foods that have move volume but less calories.

Likewise a student who is not that intelligent needs to try harder at school. Failure is not acceptable. A person who is born poor needs to work harder in life. Those are facts of life.

CA renter, you want to kick out people who can’t pay their mortgage, but you won’t tell naturally inclined fat people that they can never have brownies?

[briansd1]

This obesity issue is controversial because people see themselves and take it personally. As more and more of the population is fat, the issue becomes more of a hot potato, despite the science.

The data is there. As ocrenter pointed out, obesity in America is a huge problem. The progression of obesity over the years shows that it’s a food and behavior problem more than a genetic problem.

Of course some people are predisposed to eating more, and metabolizing less calories.

We are not born the same.

If a person is naturally fat, that person has to try harder. She needs to eat foods that have move volume but less calories.

Likewise a student who is not that intelligent needs to try harder at school. Failure is not acceptable. A person who is born poor needs to work harder in life. Those are facts of life.

CA renter, you want to kick out people who can’t pay their mortgage, but you won’t tell naturally inclined fat people that they can never have brownies?

[briansd1]

This obesity issue is controversial because people see themselves and take it personally. As more and more of the population is fat, the issue becomes more of a hot potato, despite the science.

The data is there. As ocrenter pointed out, obesity in America is a huge problem. The progression of obesity over the years shows that it’s a food and behavior problem more than a genetic problem.

Of course some people are predisposed to eating more, and metabolizing less calories.

We are not born the same.

If a person is naturally fat, that person has to try harder. She needs to eat foods that have move volume but less calories.

Likewise a student who is not that intelligent needs to try harder at school. Failure is not acceptable. A person who is born poor needs to work harder in life. Those are facts of life.

CA renter, you want to kick out people who can’t pay their mortgage, but you won’t tell naturally inclined fat people that they can never have brownies?

[briansd1]

This obesity issue is controversial because people see themselves and take it personally. As more and more of the population is fat, the issue becomes more of a hot potato, despite the science.

The data is there. As ocrenter pointed out, obesity in America is a huge problem. The progression of obesity over the years shows that it’s a food and behavior problem more than a genetic problem.

Of course some people are predisposed to eating more, and metabolizing less calories.

We are not born the same.

If a person is naturally fat, that person has to try harder. She needs to eat foods that have move volume but less calories.

Likewise a student who is not that intelligent needs to try harder at school. Failure is not acceptable. A person who is born poor needs to work harder in life. Those are facts of life.

CA renter, you want to kick out people who can’t pay their mortgage, but you won’t tell naturally inclined fat people that they can never have brownies?

[briansd1]

This obesity issue is controversial because people see themselves and take it personally. As more and more of the population is fat, the issue becomes more of a hot potato, despite the science.

The data is there. As ocrenter pointed out, obesity in America is a huge problem. The progression of obesity over the years shows that it’s a food and behavior problem more than a genetic problem.

Of course some people are predisposed to eating more, and metabolizing less calories.

We are not born the same.

If a person is naturally fat, that person has to try harder. She needs to eat foods that have move volume but less calories.

Likewise a student who is not that intelligent needs to try harder at school. Failure is not acceptable. A person who is born poor needs to work harder in life. Those are facts of life.

CA renter, you want to kick out people who can’t pay their mortgage, but you won’t tell naturally inclined fat people that they can never have brownies?

[UCGal]

[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]
Hijack –
I love fish… but haven’t eaten Tilapia since watching the “Dirty Jobs” episode about sewage water treatment. In fact I don’t eat any kind of farm raised fish anymore.

[UCGal]

[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]
Hijack –
I love fish… but haven’t eaten Tilapia since watching the “Dirty Jobs” episode about sewage water treatment. In fact I don’t eat any kind of farm raised fish anymore.

[UCGal]

[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]
Hijack –
I love fish… but haven’t eaten Tilapia since watching the “Dirty Jobs” episode about sewage water treatment. In fact I don’t eat any kind of farm raised fish anymore.

[UCGal]

[quote=Coronadoflyer]Chicken breast, salmon, and tilapia are just fine. Vegan is extreme.[/quote]
Hijack –
I love fish… but haven’t eaten Tilapia since watching the “Dirty Jobs” episode about sewage water treatment. In fact I don’t eat any kind of farm raised fish anymore.

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