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[scaredyclassic]

think of all the money slow metabolizers can save. fat is basically money int he bank. if you only have to eat 1000 calories a day, or whatever, cause you’re a slow metabolizer, it’s like free money, almost a perpetual stream of revenue. if i could eat so little and still keep alive, basically im living for nothing, just a couple pieces of bread, some cheese, some water, and gin.

maybe if food prices keep going up, people will view fat as savings, something to live off in lean times.

wasn’t it really pretty recent that fat was equated with rich? if you really are on the brink of actual starvation, as opposed to just feeling hungry, it probably would be comforting to have 20 or 30 pounds of fat on you to carry you over to better times.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]But if people can say no to drugs and alcohol and smoking then why can’t people say no to food.

Is shopping an addiction too? There are studies that indicate that people who are chronic shoppers or buy things they can’t afford suffer from self-esteem or other psychological problems.

And why do all kids have to eat the same? My big bro is 9 years older than me. We never ate the same portions when I was growing up.[/quote]

One more thing about comparing drugs/alcohol to food…

It’s easier to say no to something that you do not need to survive, so can more effectively keep it out of your environment. Food is essential to survival. What sort of recovery rate would we see if alcohol/drugs were essential to survival, so alcoholics/addicts HAD to use some just to survive, but had to stop after some fairly arbitrary limit? What if they had to stop drinking/using at levels well before the levels that non-alcoholics/addicts used just for survival? THAT is what some food “addicts” are dealing with.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]But if people can say no to drugs and alcohol and smoking then why can’t people say no to food.

Is shopping an addiction too? There are studies that indicate that people who are chronic shoppers or buy things they can’t afford suffer from self-esteem or other psychological problems.

And why do all kids have to eat the same? My big bro is 9 years older than me. We never ate the same portions when I was growing up.[/quote]

One more thing about comparing drugs/alcohol to food…

It’s easier to say no to something that you do not need to survive, so can more effectively keep it out of your environment. Food is essential to survival. What sort of recovery rate would we see if alcohol/drugs were essential to survival, so alcoholics/addicts HAD to use some just to survive, but had to stop after some fairly arbitrary limit? What if they had to stop drinking/using at levels well before the levels that non-alcoholics/addicts used just for survival? THAT is what some food “addicts” are dealing with.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]But if people can say no to drugs and alcohol and smoking then why can’t people say no to food.

Is shopping an addiction too? There are studies that indicate that people who are chronic shoppers or buy things they can’t afford suffer from self-esteem or other psychological problems.

And why do all kids have to eat the same? My big bro is 9 years older than me. We never ate the same portions when I was growing up.[/quote]

One more thing about comparing drugs/alcohol to food…

It’s easier to say no to something that you do not need to survive, so can more effectively keep it out of your environment. Food is essential to survival. What sort of recovery rate would we see if alcohol/drugs were essential to survival, so alcoholics/addicts HAD to use some just to survive, but had to stop after some fairly arbitrary limit? What if they had to stop drinking/using at levels well before the levels that non-alcoholics/addicts used just for survival? THAT is what some food “addicts” are dealing with.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]But if people can say no to drugs and alcohol and smoking then why can’t people say no to food.

Is shopping an addiction too? There are studies that indicate that people who are chronic shoppers or buy things they can’t afford suffer from self-esteem or other psychological problems.

And why do all kids have to eat the same? My big bro is 9 years older than me. We never ate the same portions when I was growing up.[/quote]

One more thing about comparing drugs/alcohol to food…

It’s easier to say no to something that you do not need to survive, so can more effectively keep it out of your environment. Food is essential to survival. What sort of recovery rate would we see if alcohol/drugs were essential to survival, so alcoholics/addicts HAD to use some just to survive, but had to stop after some fairly arbitrary limit? What if they had to stop drinking/using at levels well before the levels that non-alcoholics/addicts used just for survival? THAT is what some food “addicts” are dealing with.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]But if people can say no to drugs and alcohol and smoking then why can’t people say no to food.

Is shopping an addiction too? There are studies that indicate that people who are chronic shoppers or buy things they can’t afford suffer from self-esteem or other psychological problems.

And why do all kids have to eat the same? My big bro is 9 years older than me. We never ate the same portions when I was growing up.[/quote]

One more thing about comparing drugs/alcohol to food…

It’s easier to say no to something that you do not need to survive, so can more effectively keep it out of your environment. Food is essential to survival. What sort of recovery rate would we see if alcohol/drugs were essential to survival, so alcoholics/addicts HAD to use some just to survive, but had to stop after some fairly arbitrary limit? What if they had to stop drinking/using at levels well before the levels that non-alcoholics/addicts used just for survival? THAT is what some food “addicts” are dealing with.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[outtamojo]

[quote=Jacarandoso]I have children.

My kids ask me to make them oatmeal as a favor to them. They don’t know that a zucchini muffin, a handful of almonds and a glass of milk isn’t a happy meal. I ask them “how happy is a fancy bag of low grade shit from some stupid clown anyway?”.I tell them not to let people get away with expecting them to be that damn gullible.I don’t think we have ever been to McDonald’s.

There are plenty of meals that,with little planning, are easier than going to McDonald’s and some can easily be eaten in a park.. or even in the car. It is just as easy to stop at a grocery store and pick out a few decent things that don’t need cooking and go to a park. We have sat down and ate in front of the local Henry’s many times. There is no fricken excuse for frequent sodas.[/quote]

Are your kids little, as in under 6? I suspect the real test will be when they HAVE been to Mcdonalds a few times – will they be as happy with almonds and milk ever again?

[outtamojo]

[quote=Jacarandoso]I have children.

My kids ask me to make them oatmeal as a favor to them. They don’t know that a zucchini muffin, a handful of almonds and a glass of milk isn’t a happy meal. I ask them “how happy is a fancy bag of low grade shit from some stupid clown anyway?”.I tell them not to let people get away with expecting them to be that damn gullible.I don’t think we have ever been to McDonald’s.

There are plenty of meals that,with little planning, are easier than going to McDonald’s and some can easily be eaten in a park.. or even in the car. It is just as easy to stop at a grocery store and pick out a few decent things that don’t need cooking and go to a park. We have sat down and ate in front of the local Henry’s many times. There is no fricken excuse for frequent sodas.[/quote]

Are your kids little, as in under 6? I suspect the real test will be when they HAVE been to Mcdonalds a few times – will they be as happy with almonds and milk ever again?

[outtamojo]

[quote=Jacarandoso]I have children.

My kids ask me to make them oatmeal as a favor to them. They don’t know that a zucchini muffin, a handful of almonds and a glass of milk isn’t a happy meal. I ask them “how happy is a fancy bag of low grade shit from some stupid clown anyway?”.I tell them not to let people get away with expecting them to be that damn gullible.I don’t think we have ever been to McDonald’s.

There are plenty of meals that,with little planning, are easier than going to McDonald’s and some can easily be eaten in a park.. or even in the car. It is just as easy to stop at a grocery store and pick out a few decent things that don’t need cooking and go to a park. We have sat down and ate in front of the local Henry’s many times. There is no fricken excuse for frequent sodas.[/quote]

Are your kids little, as in under 6? I suspect the real test will be when they HAVE been to Mcdonalds a few times – will they be as happy with almonds and milk ever again?

[outtamojo]

[quote=Jacarandoso]I have children.

My kids ask me to make them oatmeal as a favor to them. They don’t know that a zucchini muffin, a handful of almonds and a glass of milk isn’t a happy meal. I ask them “how happy is a fancy bag of low grade shit from some stupid clown anyway?”.I tell them not to let people get away with expecting them to be that damn gullible.I don’t think we have ever been to McDonald’s.

There are plenty of meals that,with little planning, are easier than going to McDonald’s and some can easily be eaten in a park.. or even in the car. It is just as easy to stop at a grocery store and pick out a few decent things that don’t need cooking and go to a park. We have sat down and ate in front of the local Henry’s many times. There is no fricken excuse for frequent sodas.[/quote]

Are your kids little, as in under 6? I suspect the real test will be when they HAVE been to Mcdonalds a few times – will they be as happy with almonds and milk ever again?

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