OT – GOP is being carried to the extreme

[Anonymous]

“… where do you fall on Obama’s stated position of negotiating with Iran and without preconditions?”

So what exactly is a “precondition?”

How do you agree on the preconditions? Do you have to negotiate them?

It’s all a bunch of semantic nonsense.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brian: Okay. Given all of that, where do you fall on Obama’s stated position of negotiating with Iran and without preconditions? If you support it, why? If you don’t support it, why?

I’m asking this because I’m genuinely curious. Also, how do you feel about Obama’s position vis-a-vis the North Koreans and Syria? Again, just curious.[/quote]

I believe that today’s weakened position that we find ourselves in is a result of past Bush mistakes.

Our threats of retaliation are empty because we don’t have the wherewithal to carry out our threats. The Koreans and Iranians know that.

Our economic strength waned so can’t apply pressure on China, Russia and the European Union.

So we have no choice but to negotiate with Iran and Korea.

If you look back at Vietnam, would have been better off letting Ho Chi Minh unify the country in 1954. We would saved countless lives and treasure and we would now have a stronger ally to buffer China.

Our consumer goods and multi-nationals (Coke, Procter & Gamble, Levis, Citibank, Pricewaterhouse, IBM, etc..) were better at winning the Vietnam War than our GIs.

——

To draw the parallel to real estate, I know that sellers are running out of wherewithal. They won’t be saved even by some nominal price increases because if they are under water, it matters not what they sell for. They will lose their investments.

But the sellers still try to get more than they have invested because that’s they only way to save some skin.

I know that I can wait it out longer then the sellers can. The worse that can happen is that I will have to pay today’s price, if I really want to buy. It’s a win-win situation for me. I can pay less later or I can pay the same. It’s very unlikely that I’ll pay more.

The Iraqis and Koreans know that we have run out of options.

In Iraq, our wherewithal is thinning as were can hardly keep the place secure much less attack Iran.

In North Korea, the Chinese and even the South Koreans are going their own way. Russia is playing hardball. Japan, our strongest ally, just had a change of government.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brian: Okay. Given all of that, where do you fall on Obama’s stated position of negotiating with Iran and without preconditions? If you support it, why? If you don’t support it, why?

I’m asking this because I’m genuinely curious. Also, how do you feel about Obama’s position vis-a-vis the North Koreans and Syria? Again, just curious.[/quote]

I believe that today’s weakened position that we find ourselves in is a result of past Bush mistakes.

Our threats of retaliation are empty because we don’t have the wherewithal to carry out our threats. The Koreans and Iranians know that.

Our economic strength waned so can’t apply pressure on China, Russia and the European Union.

So we have no choice but to negotiate with Iran and Korea.

If you look back at Vietnam, would have been better off letting Ho Chi Minh unify the country in 1954. We would saved countless lives and treasure and we would now have a stronger ally to buffer China.

Our consumer goods and multi-nationals (Coke, Procter & Gamble, Levis, Citibank, Pricewaterhouse, IBM, etc..) were better at winning the Vietnam War than our GIs.

——

To draw the parallel to real estate, I know that sellers are running out of wherewithal. They won’t be saved even by some nominal price increases because if they are under water, it matters not what they sell for. They will lose their investments.

But the sellers still try to get more than they have invested because that’s they only way to save some skin.

I know that I can wait it out longer then the sellers can. The worse that can happen is that I will have to pay today’s price, if I really want to buy. It’s a win-win situation for me. I can pay less later or I can pay the same. It’s very unlikely that I’ll pay more.

The Iraqis and Koreans know that we have run out of options.

In Iraq, our wherewithal is thinning as were can hardly keep the place secure much less attack Iran.

In North Korea, the Chinese and even the South Koreans are going their own way. Russia is playing hardball. Japan, our strongest ally, just had a change of government.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brian: Okay. Given all of that, where do you fall on Obama’s stated position of negotiating with Iran and without preconditions? If you support it, why? If you don’t support it, why?

I’m asking this because I’m genuinely curious. Also, how do you feel about Obama’s position vis-a-vis the North Koreans and Syria? Again, just curious.[/quote]

I believe that today’s weakened position that we find ourselves in is a result of past Bush mistakes.

Our threats of retaliation are empty because we don’t have the wherewithal to carry out our threats. The Koreans and Iranians know that.

Our economic strength waned so can’t apply pressure on China, Russia and the European Union.

So we have no choice but to negotiate with Iran and Korea.

If you look back at Vietnam, would have been better off letting Ho Chi Minh unify the country in 1954. We would saved countless lives and treasure and we would now have a stronger ally to buffer China.

Our consumer goods and multi-nationals (Coke, Procter & Gamble, Levis, Citibank, Pricewaterhouse, IBM, etc..) were better at winning the Vietnam War than our GIs.

——

To draw the parallel to real estate, I know that sellers are running out of wherewithal. They won’t be saved even by some nominal price increases because if they are under water, it matters not what they sell for. They will lose their investments.

But the sellers still try to get more than they have invested because that’s they only way to save some skin.

I know that I can wait it out longer then the sellers can. The worse that can happen is that I will have to pay today’s price, if I really want to buy. It’s a win-win situation for me. I can pay less later or I can pay the same. It’s very unlikely that I’ll pay more.

The Iraqis and Koreans know that we have run out of options.

In Iraq, our wherewithal is thinning as were can hardly keep the place secure much less attack Iran.

In North Korea, the Chinese and even the South Koreans are going their own way. Russia is playing hardball. Japan, our strongest ally, just had a change of government.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brian: Okay. Given all of that, where do you fall on Obama’s stated position of negotiating with Iran and without preconditions? If you support it, why? If you don’t support it, why?

I’m asking this because I’m genuinely curious. Also, how do you feel about Obama’s position vis-a-vis the North Koreans and Syria? Again, just curious.[/quote]

I believe that today’s weakened position that we find ourselves in is a result of past Bush mistakes.

Our threats of retaliation are empty because we don’t have the wherewithal to carry out our threats. The Koreans and Iranians know that.

Our economic strength waned so can’t apply pressure on China, Russia and the European Union.

So we have no choice but to negotiate with Iran and Korea.

If you look back at Vietnam, would have been better off letting Ho Chi Minh unify the country in 1954. We would saved countless lives and treasure and we would now have a stronger ally to buffer China.

Our consumer goods and multi-nationals (Coke, Procter & Gamble, Levis, Citibank, Pricewaterhouse, IBM, etc..) were better at winning the Vietnam War than our GIs.

——

To draw the parallel to real estate, I know that sellers are running out of wherewithal. They won’t be saved even by some nominal price increases because if they are under water, it matters not what they sell for. They will lose their investments.

But the sellers still try to get more than they have invested because that’s they only way to save some skin.

I know that I can wait it out longer then the sellers can. The worse that can happen is that I will have to pay today’s price, if I really want to buy. It’s a win-win situation for me. I can pay less later or I can pay the same. It’s very unlikely that I’ll pay more.

The Iraqis and Koreans know that we have run out of options.

In Iraq, our wherewithal is thinning as were can hardly keep the place secure much less attack Iran.

In North Korea, the Chinese and even the South Koreans are going their own way. Russia is playing hardball. Japan, our strongest ally, just had a change of government.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brian: Okay. Given all of that, where do you fall on Obama’s stated position of negotiating with Iran and without preconditions? If you support it, why? If you don’t support it, why?

I’m asking this because I’m genuinely curious. Also, how do you feel about Obama’s position vis-a-vis the North Koreans and Syria? Again, just curious.[/quote]

I believe that today’s weakened position that we find ourselves in is a result of past Bush mistakes.

Our threats of retaliation are empty because we don’t have the wherewithal to carry out our threats. The Koreans and Iranians know that.

Our economic strength waned so can’t apply pressure on China, Russia and the European Union.

So we have no choice but to negotiate with Iran and Korea.

If you look back at Vietnam, would have been better off letting Ho Chi Minh unify the country in 1954. We would saved countless lives and treasure and we would now have a stronger ally to buffer China.

Our consumer goods and multi-nationals (Coke, Procter & Gamble, Levis, Citibank, Pricewaterhouse, IBM, etc..) were better at winning the Vietnam War than our GIs.

——

To draw the parallel to real estate, I know that sellers are running out of wherewithal. They won’t be saved even by some nominal price increases because if they are under water, it matters not what they sell for. They will lose their investments.

But the sellers still try to get more than they have invested because that’s they only way to save some skin.

I know that I can wait it out longer then the sellers can. The worse that can happen is that I will have to pay today’s price, if I really want to buy. It’s a win-win situation for me. I can pay less later or I can pay the same. It’s very unlikely that I’ll pay more.

The Iraqis and Koreans know that we have run out of options.

In Iraq, our wherewithal is thinning as were can hardly keep the place secure much less attack Iran.

In North Korea, the Chinese and even the South Koreans are going their own way. Russia is playing hardball. Japan, our strongest ally, just had a change of government.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
By and large, nearly every one of the folks that I saw interviewed were average, middle class Americans. They were justifiably concerned about the direction of this country, the policies of this Administration (and the Bush Administration, as well) and the general sense of things going into the ditch.

While I’m certain that there were elements of the lunatic fringe in attendance (with gatherings this large, its going to happen), these protests were civil, and behaved. It seems like either elitist arrogance or desperation to somehow accuse these average citizens, who are exercising their First Amendment rights, of racism and extremism (“Nazism” has been thrown out more than once).[/quote]

I would love to see polling organizations do “exit interviews” at those events to see the percentage of protesters that have health insurance.

Based on the number of missing teeth, I’m sure quite a few don’t have dental coverage. Of course, medical coverage is not the same as dental coverage. That’s why I’m curious.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
By and large, nearly every one of the folks that I saw interviewed were average, middle class Americans. They were justifiably concerned about the direction of this country, the policies of this Administration (and the Bush Administration, as well) and the general sense of things going into the ditch.

While I’m certain that there were elements of the lunatic fringe in attendance (with gatherings this large, its going to happen), these protests were civil, and behaved. It seems like either elitist arrogance or desperation to somehow accuse these average citizens, who are exercising their First Amendment rights, of racism and extremism (“Nazism” has been thrown out more than once).[/quote]

I would love to see polling organizations do “exit interviews” at those events to see the percentage of protesters that have health insurance.

Based on the number of missing teeth, I’m sure quite a few don’t have dental coverage. Of course, medical coverage is not the same as dental coverage. That’s why I’m curious.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
By and large, nearly every one of the folks that I saw interviewed were average, middle class Americans. They were justifiably concerned about the direction of this country, the policies of this Administration (and the Bush Administration, as well) and the general sense of things going into the ditch.

While I’m certain that there were elements of the lunatic fringe in attendance (with gatherings this large, its going to happen), these protests were civil, and behaved. It seems like either elitist arrogance or desperation to somehow accuse these average citizens, who are exercising their First Amendment rights, of racism and extremism (“Nazism” has been thrown out more than once).[/quote]

I would love to see polling organizations do “exit interviews” at those events to see the percentage of protesters that have health insurance.

Based on the number of missing teeth, I’m sure quite a few don’t have dental coverage. Of course, medical coverage is not the same as dental coverage. That’s why I’m curious.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
By and large, nearly every one of the folks that I saw interviewed were average, middle class Americans. They were justifiably concerned about the direction of this country, the policies of this Administration (and the Bush Administration, as well) and the general sense of things going into the ditch.

While I’m certain that there were elements of the lunatic fringe in attendance (with gatherings this large, its going to happen), these protests were civil, and behaved. It seems like either elitist arrogance or desperation to somehow accuse these average citizens, who are exercising their First Amendment rights, of racism and extremism (“Nazism” has been thrown out more than once).[/quote]

I would love to see polling organizations do “exit interviews” at those events to see the percentage of protesters that have health insurance.

Based on the number of missing teeth, I’m sure quite a few don’t have dental coverage. Of course, medical coverage is not the same as dental coverage. That’s why I’m curious.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
By and large, nearly every one of the folks that I saw interviewed were average, middle class Americans. They were justifiably concerned about the direction of this country, the policies of this Administration (and the Bush Administration, as well) and the general sense of things going into the ditch.

While I’m certain that there were elements of the lunatic fringe in attendance (with gatherings this large, its going to happen), these protests were civil, and behaved. It seems like either elitist arrogance or desperation to somehow accuse these average citizens, who are exercising their First Amendment rights, of racism and extremism (“Nazism” has been thrown out more than once).[/quote]

I would love to see polling organizations do “exit interviews” at those events to see the percentage of protesters that have health insurance.

Based on the number of missing teeth, I’m sure quite a few don’t have dental coverage. Of course, medical coverage is not the same as dental coverage. That’s why I’m curious.

[dbapig]

I mentioned in a post earlier but do these people really know what Nazism stood for?

Hitler would be rolling in his grave (although it officially doesn’t exist) if he found out he’s being compared equal to a half African man.

Stop calling Obama a Nazi. Some people obviously didn’t learn much in high school…

[dbapig]

I mentioned in a post earlier but do these people really know what Nazism stood for?

Hitler would be rolling in his grave (although it officially doesn’t exist) if he found out he’s being compared equal to a half African man.

Stop calling Obama a Nazi. Some people obviously didn’t learn much in high school…

[dbapig]

I mentioned in a post earlier but do these people really know what Nazism stood for?

Hitler would be rolling in his grave (although it officially doesn’t exist) if he found out he’s being compared equal to a half African man.

Stop calling Obama a Nazi. Some people obviously didn’t learn much in high school…

[dbapig]

I mentioned in a post earlier but do these people really know what Nazism stood for?

Hitler would be rolling in his grave (although it officially doesn’t exist) if he found out he’s being compared equal to a half African man.

Stop calling Obama a Nazi. Some people obviously didn’t learn much in high school…

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