OT – GOP is being carried to the extreme

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.[/quote]

Replace the “LEFT” with “RIGHT”. It goes both ways.[/quote]

Perhaps, you’re correct on this but I only see the media portraying one-side as dumb.

The past few elections we have been told the Harvard educated; Clinton, Kerry and Obama were geniuses but Bush, McCain and even going back a ways, Reagan were dummies.

What’s ironic about this is that Bush is the only president we’ve ever had with degrees from both Harvard and Yale. Yet he has been portrayed as a idiot more so than any president in my lifetime.

Personally I don’t know who has the highest IQ nor do I care. One doesn’t have to be a genius to be a good president. One has to be a leader. And one has to surround himself with smart capable folks.

Lastly, there is another difference. Most conservative initiatives have been those of traditional values. They aren’t trying to reshape this country but to preserve our traditions. That usually meant less government intrusion into our lives instead of more.[/quote]

Bush Jr – I don’t know many who think he got into Yale and Harvard because of his intelligence. It’s family connection don’t ya think? What was his GPA in Yale?

McCain – Not as bad as Bush but his ranking in Naval Academy was close to the last. And he wrecked 5 US Navy planes (granted one was in combat) before he was done with it.

Reagan – Actor. Enough said.

POTUS has to be a leader AND a pretty smart person. Saying high IQ isn’t required of POTUS is not too smart.

Clinton – a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University
Obama – Harvard Law Review editor. As much as we don’t like lawyers, you have to be pretty smart to get there.

Let’s be honest. Of the POTUS and POTUS candidates from the last 2 – 3 decades, Dems pretty much dominate GOP in the intelligence/IQ/achievement dept. Except Bush Sr.

I’m sure GOP (the party of rich, powerful, CEOs) can do better. Or does GOP just want someone as POTUS that rich and powerful can manipulate easily?

[Zeitgeist]

Re. heredity v. the environment. It is not an either or issue. Both interact dynamically to produce the result or condition.
“Hinshaw: The crucial concept here is one of “gene by environment interaction.” This means that neither genes alone, nor environments and settings alone, predict high rates of mental disorders like depression. But the risk goes way up when a person with a certain form of a particular gene has certain negative life experiences.”

“You can say it two ways: Genes matter when certain life experiences occur; or life experiences make a difference primarily for the sub-population with high genetic risk factors.”

“Finally, even for traits or conditions with a strong genetic risk, the overall levels can rise or fall through the environment alone. Height is under strong genetic control, but we’re all taller, on average, than our grandparents. This is explainable by changes in diet, not gene mutations in a couple of generations.”

http://berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2009/02/12_HinshawQ&A.shtml

[Zeitgeist]

Re. heredity v. the environment. It is not an either or issue. Both interact dynamically to produce the result or condition.
“Hinshaw: The crucial concept here is one of “gene by environment interaction.” This means that neither genes alone, nor environments and settings alone, predict high rates of mental disorders like depression. But the risk goes way up when a person with a certain form of a particular gene has certain negative life experiences.”

“You can say it two ways: Genes matter when certain life experiences occur; or life experiences make a difference primarily for the sub-population with high genetic risk factors.”

“Finally, even for traits or conditions with a strong genetic risk, the overall levels can rise or fall through the environment alone. Height is under strong genetic control, but we’re all taller, on average, than our grandparents. This is explainable by changes in diet, not gene mutations in a couple of generations.”

http://berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2009/02/12_HinshawQ&A.shtml

[Zeitgeist]

Re. heredity v. the environment. It is not an either or issue. Both interact dynamically to produce the result or condition.
“Hinshaw: The crucial concept here is one of “gene by environment interaction.” This means that neither genes alone, nor environments and settings alone, predict high rates of mental disorders like depression. But the risk goes way up when a person with a certain form of a particular gene has certain negative life experiences.”

“You can say it two ways: Genes matter when certain life experiences occur; or life experiences make a difference primarily for the sub-population with high genetic risk factors.”

“Finally, even for traits or conditions with a strong genetic risk, the overall levels can rise or fall through the environment alone. Height is under strong genetic control, but we’re all taller, on average, than our grandparents. This is explainable by changes in diet, not gene mutations in a couple of generations.”

http://berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2009/02/12_HinshawQ&A.shtml

[Zeitgeist]

Re. heredity v. the environment. It is not an either or issue. Both interact dynamically to produce the result or condition.
“Hinshaw: The crucial concept here is one of “gene by environment interaction.” This means that neither genes alone, nor environments and settings alone, predict high rates of mental disorders like depression. But the risk goes way up when a person with a certain form of a particular gene has certain negative life experiences.”

“You can say it two ways: Genes matter when certain life experiences occur; or life experiences make a difference primarily for the sub-population with high genetic risk factors.”

“Finally, even for traits or conditions with a strong genetic risk, the overall levels can rise or fall through the environment alone. Height is under strong genetic control, but we’re all taller, on average, than our grandparents. This is explainable by changes in diet, not gene mutations in a couple of generations.”

http://berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2009/02/12_HinshawQ&A.shtml

[Zeitgeist]

Re. heredity v. the environment. It is not an either or issue. Both interact dynamically to produce the result or condition.
“Hinshaw: The crucial concept here is one of “gene by environment interaction.” This means that neither genes alone, nor environments and settings alone, predict high rates of mental disorders like depression. But the risk goes way up when a person with a certain form of a particular gene has certain negative life experiences.”

“You can say it two ways: Genes matter when certain life experiences occur; or life experiences make a difference primarily for the sub-population with high genetic risk factors.”

“Finally, even for traits or conditions with a strong genetic risk, the overall levels can rise or fall through the environment alone. Height is under strong genetic control, but we’re all taller, on average, than our grandparents. This is explainable by changes in diet, not gene mutations in a couple of generations.”

http://berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2009/02/12_HinshawQ&A.shtml

[Zeitgeist]

The hoax email showed Bill Clinton having the highest IQ (182) and George W. Bush the lowest (91). However, the numbers claimed in the email were fabricated, and the sociologists and institutions (e.g., the “Lovenstein Institute”) quoted in the article do not exist. (A “Lovenstein Institute” website displays the “report”, but it was created after the report’s release.)[2] The techniques purportedly used to measure the IQ of the presidents are not recognized means of measuring IQs. The hoax also contains other factual errors.[1] When the hoax was debunked, it appeared to be a personal attack on Bush due to its timing and to its listing Bush’s IQ as exactly half that of Clinton’s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Presidential_IQ_hoax

[Zeitgeist]

The hoax email showed Bill Clinton having the highest IQ (182) and George W. Bush the lowest (91). However, the numbers claimed in the email were fabricated, and the sociologists and institutions (e.g., the “Lovenstein Institute”) quoted in the article do not exist. (A “Lovenstein Institute” website displays the “report”, but it was created after the report’s release.)[2] The techniques purportedly used to measure the IQ of the presidents are not recognized means of measuring IQs. The hoax also contains other factual errors.[1] When the hoax was debunked, it appeared to be a personal attack on Bush due to its timing and to its listing Bush’s IQ as exactly half that of Clinton’s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Presidential_IQ_hoax

[Zeitgeist]

The hoax email showed Bill Clinton having the highest IQ (182) and George W. Bush the lowest (91). However, the numbers claimed in the email were fabricated, and the sociologists and institutions (e.g., the “Lovenstein Institute”) quoted in the article do not exist. (A “Lovenstein Institute” website displays the “report”, but it was created after the report’s release.)[2] The techniques purportedly used to measure the IQ of the presidents are not recognized means of measuring IQs. The hoax also contains other factual errors.[1] When the hoax was debunked, it appeared to be a personal attack on Bush due to its timing and to its listing Bush’s IQ as exactly half that of Clinton’s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Presidential_IQ_hoax

[Zeitgeist]

The hoax email showed Bill Clinton having the highest IQ (182) and George W. Bush the lowest (91). However, the numbers claimed in the email were fabricated, and the sociologists and institutions (e.g., the “Lovenstein Institute”) quoted in the article do not exist. (A “Lovenstein Institute” website displays the “report”, but it was created after the report’s release.)[2] The techniques purportedly used to measure the IQ of the presidents are not recognized means of measuring IQs. The hoax also contains other factual errors.[1] When the hoax was debunked, it appeared to be a personal attack on Bush due to its timing and to its listing Bush’s IQ as exactly half that of Clinton’s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Presidential_IQ_hoax

[Zeitgeist]

The hoax email showed Bill Clinton having the highest IQ (182) and George W. Bush the lowest (91). However, the numbers claimed in the email were fabricated, and the sociologists and institutions (e.g., the “Lovenstein Institute”) quoted in the article do not exist. (A “Lovenstein Institute” website displays the “report”, but it was created after the report’s release.)[2] The techniques purportedly used to measure the IQ of the presidents are not recognized means of measuring IQs. The hoax also contains other factual errors.[1] When the hoax was debunked, it appeared to be a personal attack on Bush due to its timing and to its listing Bush’s IQ as exactly half that of Clinton’s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Presidential_IQ_hoax

[CricketOnTheHearth]

picpoule 9:19 am:

Per your argument, I rest my case. You are a real, original-school conservative. These knuckleheads in the public spotlight are just fascists.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

picpoule 9:19 am:

Per your argument, I rest my case. You are a real, original-school conservative. These knuckleheads in the public spotlight are just fascists.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

picpoule 9:19 am:

Per your argument, I rest my case. You are a real, original-school conservative. These knuckleheads in the public spotlight are just fascists.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

picpoule 9:19 am:

Per your argument, I rest my case. You are a real, original-school conservative. These knuckleheads in the public spotlight are just fascists.

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