OT – GOP is being carried to the extreme

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[quote=picpoule]We are for individual rights of everyone regardless of race or sex. We want all citizens to have freedom, we don’t want to suppress anyone.[/quote]

Unless you’re gay.

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.[/quote]

If you believe as I do that the role of the 4th estate is to inform folks, yes, I do blame the media for not informing folks as best they could about someone running for president. The obligation to inform and present unbiased info should have nothing to do with how one feels about either party or administration.[/quote]

What’s your view on FOX and Limbaugh etc.

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.[/quote]

If you believe as I do that the role of the 4th estate is to inform folks, yes, I do blame the media for not informing folks as best they could about someone running for president. The obligation to inform and present unbiased info should have nothing to do with how one feels about either party or administration.[/quote]

What’s your view on FOX and Limbaugh etc.

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.[/quote]

If you believe as I do that the role of the 4th estate is to inform folks, yes, I do blame the media for not informing folks as best they could about someone running for president. The obligation to inform and present unbiased info should have nothing to do with how one feels about either party or administration.[/quote]

What’s your view on FOX and Limbaugh etc.

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.[/quote]

If you believe as I do that the role of the 4th estate is to inform folks, yes, I do blame the media for not informing folks as best they could about someone running for president. The obligation to inform and present unbiased info should have nothing to do with how one feels about either party or administration.[/quote]

What’s your view on FOX and Limbaugh etc.

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.[/quote]

If you believe as I do that the role of the 4th estate is to inform folks, yes, I do blame the media for not informing folks as best they could about someone running for president. The obligation to inform and present unbiased info should have nothing to do with how one feels about either party or administration.[/quote]

What’s your view on FOX and Limbaugh etc.

[briansd1]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]Agree about Putin’s character. Even in photographs he has a very cold look in his eyes, and if it shows up in photos that’s sayin’ somthing.[/quote]

But didn’t Bush already found him trustworthy?

“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

“I was able to get a sense of his soul.

I’m sorry but you can’t really tell a man by his eyes. Christians used to claim (I’m sure many still do) that Jews have devious eyes and noses. You can look at them and feel the snake. Not true. All legends. Humans are all the same; their attitudes are shaped by their environments.

[briansd1]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]Agree about Putin’s character. Even in photographs he has a very cold look in his eyes, and if it shows up in photos that’s sayin’ somthing.[/quote]

But didn’t Bush already found him trustworthy?

“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

“I was able to get a sense of his soul.

I’m sorry but you can’t really tell a man by his eyes. Christians used to claim (I’m sure many still do) that Jews have devious eyes and noses. You can look at them and feel the snake. Not true. All legends. Humans are all the same; their attitudes are shaped by their environments.

[briansd1]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]Agree about Putin’s character. Even in photographs he has a very cold look in his eyes, and if it shows up in photos that’s sayin’ somthing.[/quote]

But didn’t Bush already found him trustworthy?

“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

“I was able to get a sense of his soul.

I’m sorry but you can’t really tell a man by his eyes. Christians used to claim (I’m sure many still do) that Jews have devious eyes and noses. You can look at them and feel the snake. Not true. All legends. Humans are all the same; their attitudes are shaped by their environments.

[briansd1]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]Agree about Putin’s character. Even in photographs he has a very cold look in his eyes, and if it shows up in photos that’s sayin’ somthing.[/quote]

But didn’t Bush already found him trustworthy?

“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

“I was able to get a sense of his soul.

I’m sorry but you can’t really tell a man by his eyes. Christians used to claim (I’m sure many still do) that Jews have devious eyes and noses. You can look at them and feel the snake. Not true. All legends. Humans are all the same; their attitudes are shaped by their environments.

[briansd1]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]Agree about Putin’s character. Even in photographs he has a very cold look in his eyes, and if it shows up in photos that’s sayin’ somthing.[/quote]

But didn’t Bush already found him trustworthy?

“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

“I was able to get a sense of his soul.

I’m sorry but you can’t really tell a man by his eyes. Christians used to claim (I’m sure many still do) that Jews have devious eyes and noses. You can look at them and feel the snake. Not true. All legends. Humans are all the same; their attitudes are shaped by their environments.

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.[/quote]

Replace the “LEFT” with “RIGHT”. It goes both ways.[/quote]

Perhaps, you’re correct on this but I only see the media portraying one-side as dumb.

The past few elections we have been told the Harvard educated; Clinton, Kerry and Obama were geniuses but Bush, McCain and even going back a ways, Reagan were dummies.

What’s ironic about this is that Bush is the only president we’ve ever had with degrees from both Harvard and Yale. Yet he has been portrayed as a idiot more so than any president in my lifetime.

Personally I don’t know who has the highest IQ nor do I care. One doesn’t have to be a genius to be a good president. One has to be a leader. And one has to surround himself with smart capable folks.

Lastly, there is another difference. Most conservative initiatives have been those of traditional values. They aren’t trying to reshape this country but to preserve our traditions. That usually meant less government intrusion into our lives instead of more.[/quote]

Bush Jr – I don’t know many who think he got into Yale and Harvard because of his intelligence. It’s family connection don’t ya think? What was his GPA in Yale?

McCain – Not as bad as Bush but his ranking in Naval Academy was close to the last. And he wrecked 5 US Navy planes (granted one was in combat) before he was done with it.

Reagan – Actor. Enough said.

POTUS has to be a leader AND a pretty smart person. Saying high IQ isn’t required of POTUS is not too smart.

Clinton – a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University
Obama – Harvard Law Review editor. As much as we don’t like lawyers, you have to be pretty smart to get there.

Let’s be honest. Of the POTUS and POTUS candidates from the last 2 – 3 decades, Dems pretty much dominate GOP in the intelligence/IQ/achievement dept. Except Bush Sr.

I’m sure GOP (the party of rich, powerful, CEOs) can do better. Or does GOP just want someone as POTUS that rich and powerful can manipulate easily?

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.[/quote]

Replace the “LEFT” with “RIGHT”. It goes both ways.[/quote]

Perhaps, you’re correct on this but I only see the media portraying one-side as dumb.

The past few elections we have been told the Harvard educated; Clinton, Kerry and Obama were geniuses but Bush, McCain and even going back a ways, Reagan were dummies.

What’s ironic about this is that Bush is the only president we’ve ever had with degrees from both Harvard and Yale. Yet he has been portrayed as a idiot more so than any president in my lifetime.

Personally I don’t know who has the highest IQ nor do I care. One doesn’t have to be a genius to be a good president. One has to be a leader. And one has to surround himself with smart capable folks.

Lastly, there is another difference. Most conservative initiatives have been those of traditional values. They aren’t trying to reshape this country but to preserve our traditions. That usually meant less government intrusion into our lives instead of more.[/quote]

Bush Jr – I don’t know many who think he got into Yale and Harvard because of his intelligence. It’s family connection don’t ya think? What was his GPA in Yale?

McCain – Not as bad as Bush but his ranking in Naval Academy was close to the last. And he wrecked 5 US Navy planes (granted one was in combat) before he was done with it.

Reagan – Actor. Enough said.

POTUS has to be a leader AND a pretty smart person. Saying high IQ isn’t required of POTUS is not too smart.

Clinton – a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University
Obama – Harvard Law Review editor. As much as we don’t like lawyers, you have to be pretty smart to get there.

Let’s be honest. Of the POTUS and POTUS candidates from the last 2 – 3 decades, Dems pretty much dominate GOP in the intelligence/IQ/achievement dept. Except Bush Sr.

I’m sure GOP (the party of rich, powerful, CEOs) can do better. Or does GOP just want someone as POTUS that rich and powerful can manipulate easily?

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.[/quote]

Replace the “LEFT” with “RIGHT”. It goes both ways.[/quote]

Perhaps, you’re correct on this but I only see the media portraying one-side as dumb.

The past few elections we have been told the Harvard educated; Clinton, Kerry and Obama were geniuses but Bush, McCain and even going back a ways, Reagan were dummies.

What’s ironic about this is that Bush is the only president we’ve ever had with degrees from both Harvard and Yale. Yet he has been portrayed as a idiot more so than any president in my lifetime.

Personally I don’t know who has the highest IQ nor do I care. One doesn’t have to be a genius to be a good president. One has to be a leader. And one has to surround himself with smart capable folks.

Lastly, there is another difference. Most conservative initiatives have been those of traditional values. They aren’t trying to reshape this country but to preserve our traditions. That usually meant less government intrusion into our lives instead of more.[/quote]

Bush Jr – I don’t know many who think he got into Yale and Harvard because of his intelligence. It’s family connection don’t ya think? What was his GPA in Yale?

McCain – Not as bad as Bush but his ranking in Naval Academy was close to the last. And he wrecked 5 US Navy planes (granted one was in combat) before he was done with it.

Reagan – Actor. Enough said.

POTUS has to be a leader AND a pretty smart person. Saying high IQ isn’t required of POTUS is not too smart.

Clinton – a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University
Obama – Harvard Law Review editor. As much as we don’t like lawyers, you have to be pretty smart to get there.

Let’s be honest. Of the POTUS and POTUS candidates from the last 2 – 3 decades, Dems pretty much dominate GOP in the intelligence/IQ/achievement dept. Except Bush Sr.

I’m sure GOP (the party of rich, powerful, CEOs) can do better. Or does GOP just want someone as POTUS that rich and powerful can manipulate easily?

[dbapig]

[quote=felix][quote=dbapig][quote=felix]
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.[/quote]

Replace the “LEFT” with “RIGHT”. It goes both ways.[/quote]

Perhaps, you’re correct on this but I only see the media portraying one-side as dumb.

The past few elections we have been told the Harvard educated; Clinton, Kerry and Obama were geniuses but Bush, McCain and even going back a ways, Reagan were dummies.

What’s ironic about this is that Bush is the only president we’ve ever had with degrees from both Harvard and Yale. Yet he has been portrayed as a idiot more so than any president in my lifetime.

Personally I don’t know who has the highest IQ nor do I care. One doesn’t have to be a genius to be a good president. One has to be a leader. And one has to surround himself with smart capable folks.

Lastly, there is another difference. Most conservative initiatives have been those of traditional values. They aren’t trying to reshape this country but to preserve our traditions. That usually meant less government intrusion into our lives instead of more.[/quote]

Bush Jr – I don’t know many who think he got into Yale and Harvard because of his intelligence. It’s family connection don’t ya think? What was his GPA in Yale?

McCain – Not as bad as Bush but his ranking in Naval Academy was close to the last. And he wrecked 5 US Navy planes (granted one was in combat) before he was done with it.

Reagan – Actor. Enough said.

POTUS has to be a leader AND a pretty smart person. Saying high IQ isn’t required of POTUS is not too smart.

Clinton – a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University
Obama – Harvard Law Review editor. As much as we don’t like lawyers, you have to be pretty smart to get there.

Let’s be honest. Of the POTUS and POTUS candidates from the last 2 – 3 decades, Dems pretty much dominate GOP in the intelligence/IQ/achievement dept. Except Bush Sr.

I’m sure GOP (the party of rich, powerful, CEOs) can do better. Or does GOP just want someone as POTUS that rich and powerful can manipulate easily?

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