OT – GOP is being carried to the extreme

[felix]

I disagree with you a bit. To me, it is a moral society that takes care of those who can not take care of themselves. And in the alternative, those capable of taking care of themselves should. That is both personal and community responsibility. I think both parties have at least said they are for more personal responsibility.

I also think the least moral isn’t the person who doesn’t want to pay for another’s health care but those who are capable of working for or paying their own health bills but who demand someone else to pay for it instead.

Why don’t we expect capable folks to pay for their own health care and not tax others to pay for it?

Perhaps, those capable folks who say they struggle to find the $ to pay for their own health care could go without their cell phones, cable, flat screen TVs and other things, like generations prior to the entitlement generations did.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.

[pencilneck]

“Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.”

Surely this is a disease shared by those on the left and the right.

[pencilneck]

“Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.”

Surely this is a disease shared by those on the left and the right.

[pencilneck]

“Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.”

Surely this is a disease shared by those on the left and the right.

[pencilneck]

“Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.”

Surely this is a disease shared by those on the left and the right.

[pencilneck]

“Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.”

Surely this is a disease shared by those on the left and the right.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=Aecetia]Sdgrrl,

You continue to make attributional errors when posting about people you disagree with. All I ask is that you state facts about their posts when you reply. I do not object to any of your personal opinions. I only object to your wa statements that you project on other people based on who you think they are because of your political leanings. Again, you made it the good old days, not Zeit. How do you know what Zeit thinks are the good old days? Maybe he/ she is a time traveler who thinks the middle ages were the good old days.

I also am going to add that I know Asians and half Asians and most of them do not whine about their treatment or bemoan how their relatives were treated (except the camps the Japanese were put in during WWII). The ones I know celebrate this country and consider themselves Americans first. The ones I know were in orphanages in Japan and were adopted by Americans. I also know others who were in foster care. None of them ever complain about how they were treated in this country. However, these half-Japansese, half Anglo were tormented while in the Japanese orphanage because they were half white. There is plenty of racism to go around and it is not all on the part of white America.[/quote]

Sure, I was whining when I said that I was happy to be alive right now in America as a woman from Asian descent.

By me saying that racial tensions have lifted and I personally can feel it in my life and experiences I guess that makes me a whiner.

Read what you want in to my statements. They are posted for the public to see so people can feel how they like.

Once again these are public forum post, so read it or don’t. Like it or don’t- you can believe anything you want.

I can think of one post when I was wrong and apologized to partypup. Like Wilson, I will not apologize again.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=Aecetia]Sdgrrl,

You continue to make attributional errors when posting about people you disagree with. All I ask is that you state facts about their posts when you reply. I do not object to any of your personal opinions. I only object to your wa statements that you project on other people based on who you think they are because of your political leanings. Again, you made it the good old days, not Zeit. How do you know what Zeit thinks are the good old days? Maybe he/ she is a time traveler who thinks the middle ages were the good old days.

I also am going to add that I know Asians and half Asians and most of them do not whine about their treatment or bemoan how their relatives were treated (except the camps the Japanese were put in during WWII). The ones I know celebrate this country and consider themselves Americans first. The ones I know were in orphanages in Japan and were adopted by Americans. I also know others who were in foster care. None of them ever complain about how they were treated in this country. However, these half-Japansese, half Anglo were tormented while in the Japanese orphanage because they were half white. There is plenty of racism to go around and it is not all on the part of white America.[/quote]

Sure, I was whining when I said that I was happy to be alive right now in America as a woman from Asian descent.

By me saying that racial tensions have lifted and I personally can feel it in my life and experiences I guess that makes me a whiner.

Read what you want in to my statements. They are posted for the public to see so people can feel how they like.

Once again these are public forum post, so read it or don’t. Like it or don’t- you can believe anything you want.

I can think of one post when I was wrong and apologized to partypup. Like Wilson, I will not apologize again.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=Aecetia]Sdgrrl,

You continue to make attributional errors when posting about people you disagree with. All I ask is that you state facts about their posts when you reply. I do not object to any of your personal opinions. I only object to your wa statements that you project on other people based on who you think they are because of your political leanings. Again, you made it the good old days, not Zeit. How do you know what Zeit thinks are the good old days? Maybe he/ she is a time traveler who thinks the middle ages were the good old days.

I also am going to add that I know Asians and half Asians and most of them do not whine about their treatment or bemoan how their relatives were treated (except the camps the Japanese were put in during WWII). The ones I know celebrate this country and consider themselves Americans first. The ones I know were in orphanages in Japan and were adopted by Americans. I also know others who were in foster care. None of them ever complain about how they were treated in this country. However, these half-Japansese, half Anglo were tormented while in the Japanese orphanage because they were half white. There is plenty of racism to go around and it is not all on the part of white America.[/quote]

Sure, I was whining when I said that I was happy to be alive right now in America as a woman from Asian descent.

By me saying that racial tensions have lifted and I personally can feel it in my life and experiences I guess that makes me a whiner.

Read what you want in to my statements. They are posted for the public to see so people can feel how they like.

Once again these are public forum post, so read it or don’t. Like it or don’t- you can believe anything you want.

I can think of one post when I was wrong and apologized to partypup. Like Wilson, I will not apologize again.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=Aecetia]Sdgrrl,

You continue to make attributional errors when posting about people you disagree with. All I ask is that you state facts about their posts when you reply. I do not object to any of your personal opinions. I only object to your wa statements that you project on other people based on who you think they are because of your political leanings. Again, you made it the good old days, not Zeit. How do you know what Zeit thinks are the good old days? Maybe he/ she is a time traveler who thinks the middle ages were the good old days.

I also am going to add that I know Asians and half Asians and most of them do not whine about their treatment or bemoan how their relatives were treated (except the camps the Japanese were put in during WWII). The ones I know celebrate this country and consider themselves Americans first. The ones I know were in orphanages in Japan and were adopted by Americans. I also know others who were in foster care. None of them ever complain about how they were treated in this country. However, these half-Japansese, half Anglo were tormented while in the Japanese orphanage because they were half white. There is plenty of racism to go around and it is not all on the part of white America.[/quote]

Sure, I was whining when I said that I was happy to be alive right now in America as a woman from Asian descent.

By me saying that racial tensions have lifted and I personally can feel it in my life and experiences I guess that makes me a whiner.

Read what you want in to my statements. They are posted for the public to see so people can feel how they like.

Once again these are public forum post, so read it or don’t. Like it or don’t- you can believe anything you want.

I can think of one post when I was wrong and apologized to partypup. Like Wilson, I will not apologize again.

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