OT: Frustated hiring here

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=DWCAP]Sounds more like a budgeting/expecations problem than a talent problem. [/quote]

I completely agree with this. Also, the conclusion was drawn too fast on US/foreign candidate quality. For one thing, if you pay them US wages, it will be several times their local wages. I’m sure you can persuade some people to join the company if you also pay several times the local wages here. Next, I don’t think you can rely on recruit’s recommendation when it comes to hiring foreign candidates, just like you don’t rely on a buyer agent’s recommendation on the house value. It is said that s many as one-third of all resume writers exaggerate their accomplishments, while up to 10 percent “seriously misrepresent” their background or work histories.

[an]

sdcellar, I’ll pass on debating with you. It never gets anywhere. You seem to do a fine job debating with yourself though, so I’ll leave it to you.

FLU, there’s a price for every everyone. If you pay them enough, they’ll jump off the Google/QCOM/etc ship.

[an]

sdcellar, I’ll pass on debating with you. It never gets anywhere. You seem to do a fine job debating with yourself though, so I’ll leave it to you.

FLU, there’s a price for every everyone. If you pay them enough, they’ll jump off the Google/QCOM/etc ship.

[an]

sdcellar, I’ll pass on debating with you. It never gets anywhere. You seem to do a fine job debating with yourself though, so I’ll leave it to you.

FLU, there’s a price for every everyone. If you pay them enough, they’ll jump off the Google/QCOM/etc ship.

[an]

sdcellar, I’ll pass on debating with you. It never gets anywhere. You seem to do a fine job debating with yourself though, so I’ll leave it to you.

FLU, there’s a price for every everyone. If you pay them enough, they’ll jump off the Google/QCOM/etc ship.

[an]

sdcellar, I’ll pass on debating with you. It never gets anywhere. You seem to do a fine job debating with yourself though, so I’ll leave it to you.

FLU, there’s a price for every everyone. If you pay them enough, they’ll jump off the Google/QCOM/etc ship.

[DWCAP]

[quote=flu]
Meanwhile, said colleague says he talked to candidates from Bangalore, Korea, China, Taiwan from a recruiter with said skill set, asking for comps comparable to U.S. wages…And plenty of applicants who can do the damn work, minus the headache of managing overseas. Seems like some folks here have been sleeping at the wheels when the rest of the world decided to keep up…
[/end vent][/quote]

I dont understand, you are going to hire overseas employees, but not have the headaches of managing overseas? So who does the managing? Is that outsourced too? Is that cost included in your estimation of ‘comparable US wages’. I dont know the industry, but that seems kinda contradictory to have overseas employees without overseas mangment issues, unless someone else is doing the managing for you.

[DWCAP]

[quote=flu]
Meanwhile, said colleague says he talked to candidates from Bangalore, Korea, China, Taiwan from a recruiter with said skill set, asking for comps comparable to U.S. wages…And plenty of applicants who can do the damn work, minus the headache of managing overseas. Seems like some folks here have been sleeping at the wheels when the rest of the world decided to keep up…
[/end vent][/quote]

I dont understand, you are going to hire overseas employees, but not have the headaches of managing overseas? So who does the managing? Is that outsourced too? Is that cost included in your estimation of ‘comparable US wages’. I dont know the industry, but that seems kinda contradictory to have overseas employees without overseas mangment issues, unless someone else is doing the managing for you.

[DWCAP]

[quote=flu]
Meanwhile, said colleague says he talked to candidates from Bangalore, Korea, China, Taiwan from a recruiter with said skill set, asking for comps comparable to U.S. wages…And plenty of applicants who can do the damn work, minus the headache of managing overseas. Seems like some folks here have been sleeping at the wheels when the rest of the world decided to keep up…
[/end vent][/quote]

I dont understand, you are going to hire overseas employees, but not have the headaches of managing overseas? So who does the managing? Is that outsourced too? Is that cost included in your estimation of ‘comparable US wages’. I dont know the industry, but that seems kinda contradictory to have overseas employees without overseas mangment issues, unless someone else is doing the managing for you.

[DWCAP]

[quote=flu]
Meanwhile, said colleague says he talked to candidates from Bangalore, Korea, China, Taiwan from a recruiter with said skill set, asking for comps comparable to U.S. wages…And plenty of applicants who can do the damn work, minus the headache of managing overseas. Seems like some folks here have been sleeping at the wheels when the rest of the world decided to keep up…
[/end vent][/quote]

I dont understand, you are going to hire overseas employees, but not have the headaches of managing overseas? So who does the managing? Is that outsourced too? Is that cost included in your estimation of ‘comparable US wages’. I dont know the industry, but that seems kinda contradictory to have overseas employees without overseas mangment issues, unless someone else is doing the managing for you.

[DWCAP]

[quote=flu]
Meanwhile, said colleague says he talked to candidates from Bangalore, Korea, China, Taiwan from a recruiter with said skill set, asking for comps comparable to U.S. wages…And plenty of applicants who can do the damn work, minus the headache of managing overseas. Seems like some folks here have been sleeping at the wheels when the rest of the world decided to keep up…
[/end vent][/quote]

I dont understand, you are going to hire overseas employees, but not have the headaches of managing overseas? So who does the managing? Is that outsourced too? Is that cost included in your estimation of ‘comparable US wages’. I dont know the industry, but that seems kinda contradictory to have overseas employees without overseas mangment issues, unless someone else is doing the managing for you.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdcellar]and AN, maybe you could come back with something sustantive, like “Most apps on the iPhone are just noise.”

In that case, you might have something, seeing that recent surveys indicate that only 15,000 out of over 65,000 apps available have been downloaded at all.

Then, I could at least come back with, yeah, but if you look at the built-in apps, Apple’s done a better job of making each one of them useful. And then, you could say… well, you get the idea.

Which brings me back to flu and just a reminder that if you think it’s hard to find good engineers, the really hard part is coming up with a product that will appeal to consumers. You’ve got a great idea, right?[/quote]

Well, my colleague’s already have a customer. telco’s specifically…And I’m piggy-backing off of him to build crap on top of crap :). I don’t sell directly to consumers. Out of all things, I’m an enabler, not a specific app provider. There is no significant money to be made on individual apps, particularly iphone apps.

As far as the headache of managing a 16.5 hr timezone difference tell me about it. But I already got do deal with a buddy that isn’t even here in S.D.

So let me ask is almost $100k/year such a shabby deal for someone with 6-8 years of relevant experience? I guess if firemen are making $150k+ pension, relatively, speaking yes? All said and done, that is how much it’s looking like for a good guy from Bangalore factoring in overhead.

Oh well, gotta pay to play. Anyway, found two candidates today. One from Texas.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdcellar]and AN, maybe you could come back with something sustantive, like “Most apps on the iPhone are just noise.”

In that case, you might have something, seeing that recent surveys indicate that only 15,000 out of over 65,000 apps available have been downloaded at all.

Then, I could at least come back with, yeah, but if you look at the built-in apps, Apple’s done a better job of making each one of them useful. And then, you could say… well, you get the idea.

Which brings me back to flu and just a reminder that if you think it’s hard to find good engineers, the really hard part is coming up with a product that will appeal to consumers. You’ve got a great idea, right?[/quote]

Well, my colleague’s already have a customer. telco’s specifically…And I’m piggy-backing off of him to build crap on top of crap :). I don’t sell directly to consumers. Out of all things, I’m an enabler, not a specific app provider. There is no significant money to be made on individual apps, particularly iphone apps.

As far as the headache of managing a 16.5 hr timezone difference tell me about it. But I already got do deal with a buddy that isn’t even here in S.D.

So let me ask is almost $100k/year such a shabby deal for someone with 6-8 years of relevant experience? I guess if firemen are making $150k+ pension, relatively, speaking yes? All said and done, that is how much it’s looking like for a good guy from Bangalore factoring in overhead.

Oh well, gotta pay to play. Anyway, found two candidates today. One from Texas.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdcellar]and AN, maybe you could come back with something sustantive, like “Most apps on the iPhone are just noise.”

In that case, you might have something, seeing that recent surveys indicate that only 15,000 out of over 65,000 apps available have been downloaded at all.

Then, I could at least come back with, yeah, but if you look at the built-in apps, Apple’s done a better job of making each one of them useful. And then, you could say… well, you get the idea.

Which brings me back to flu and just a reminder that if you think it’s hard to find good engineers, the really hard part is coming up with a product that will appeal to consumers. You’ve got a great idea, right?[/quote]

Well, my colleague’s already have a customer. telco’s specifically…And I’m piggy-backing off of him to build crap on top of crap :). I don’t sell directly to consumers. Out of all things, I’m an enabler, not a specific app provider. There is no significant money to be made on individual apps, particularly iphone apps.

As far as the headache of managing a 16.5 hr timezone difference tell me about it. But I already got do deal with a buddy that isn’t even here in S.D.

So let me ask is almost $100k/year such a shabby deal for someone with 6-8 years of relevant experience? I guess if firemen are making $150k+ pension, relatively, speaking yes? All said and done, that is how much it’s looking like for a good guy from Bangalore factoring in overhead.

Oh well, gotta pay to play. Anyway, found two candidates today. One from Texas.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdcellar]and AN, maybe you could come back with something sustantive, like “Most apps on the iPhone are just noise.”

In that case, you might have something, seeing that recent surveys indicate that only 15,000 out of over 65,000 apps available have been downloaded at all.

Then, I could at least come back with, yeah, but if you look at the built-in apps, Apple’s done a better job of making each one of them useful. And then, you could say… well, you get the idea.

Which brings me back to flu and just a reminder that if you think it’s hard to find good engineers, the really hard part is coming up with a product that will appeal to consumers. You’ve got a great idea, right?[/quote]

Well, my colleague’s already have a customer. telco’s specifically…And I’m piggy-backing off of him to build crap on top of crap :). I don’t sell directly to consumers. Out of all things, I’m an enabler, not a specific app provider. There is no significant money to be made on individual apps, particularly iphone apps.

As far as the headache of managing a 16.5 hr timezone difference tell me about it. But I already got do deal with a buddy that isn’t even here in S.D.

So let me ask is almost $100k/year such a shabby deal for someone with 6-8 years of relevant experience? I guess if firemen are making $150k+ pension, relatively, speaking yes? All said and done, that is how much it’s looking like for a good guy from Bangalore factoring in overhead.

Oh well, gotta pay to play. Anyway, found two candidates today. One from Texas.

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