ot. Freddie gray.

[spdrun]

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[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

i think a cop is justa tool, like an engineer, to achieve an end. dont let the tool think it is running the show. the tool must not overestimate its ability to determine what the big picture is…[/quote]

That’s exactly it. Cops must never think they are a caste apart with special privileges.

[spdrun]

And slamming someone’s head against concrete for exercising his legal rights isn’t disgusting? The man could have been easily killed for charging his car during legal park hours and refusing to show papers. My family came to the US to escape a police state, not live in one. Forgive me for being a bit irate and wishing bad karma upon those who spread it.

I don’t see what the cop did as a valid law enforcement activity. That would have been “Park’s closing in ten minutes, sir.” Asking for ID and making him move BEFORE closing time, then resorting to violence when he didn’t immediately comply made the cop no better than a mugger or rapist. “Give me your wallet or I break your face.” Same mentality, except made worse since there’s public trust involved.

Note that the DA isn’t touching this one with a ten-foot pole. No charges are being filed against the victim:

http://smdp.com/charges-man-pepper-sprayed-park/147738

Apparently, there’s also a video of him being approached a full 30 minutes before closing time:

Man pepper-sprayed, arrested in Santa Monica park won’t face charges

[ltsddd]

[quote=scaredyclassic]
which makes one wonder; if the police ask you for your identification, and you’ve done nothing wrong, do you have to give them your id?[/quote]

Depends on whether you want to escalate or mitigate the situation. You will most likely be on the shorter end of the stick if the situation become confrontational and physical. Getting your teeth knocked in or your face rearranged or even getting yourself killed is not worth it – even if the punks get prosecuted for their crimes (and that’s a big if).

[Anonymous]

[quote=SK in CV]Well that wins the award for the most disgusting thing I’ve read today.[/quote]

It is disgusting, what they did to the man with the electric car.

Or are you talking about a different post – perhaps the one with the story about how the police and DA whitewashed the incident where the cop broke a guy’s jaw just for kicks?

Hey that’s funny! … just for kicks!

(If I think that’s funny – maybe I should be a cop?)

[spdrun]

ltsdd — Hopefully, as more cops get prosecuted for their crimes and as bystanders’ mobile phone videos become more common, the bad cops will be given pause before violently enforcing chickenfeed laws and beating people for not showing enough “respect.” (I thought only the Mafia did that.)

It’s interesting — when I was in a former police state (Poland) a few years ago, I saw someone in an all out screaming match with a traffic cop. After a few minutes, everyone calmed down and went their own way. No one had their face broken or was taken for a “rough ride.” Why does violence and abuse have to be the first resort in this country, not the last? Is it part of the “Western hero” mentality — ride into town, guns out, to clean things up

I don’t dislike all cops. Far from it. But there’s no excuse for being given a public trust and using it as an excuse to hurt people or kill them.

[SK in CV]

[quote=harvey][quote=SK in CV]Well that wins the award for the most disgusting thing I’ve read today.[/quote]

It is disgusting, what they did to the man with the electric car.

Or are you talking about a different post – perhaps the one with the story about how the police and DA whitewashed the incident where the cop broke a guy’s jaw just for kicks?

[/quote]

no, this part…

[quote=spdrun]scaredyclassic — I hope the Santa Monica “hero” gets hit by a bus and ends up a quadriplegic, sucking his supper through a straw. One less violent asshole on the streets, telling people what to do. And hope the victim ends up owning part of the city of Santa Monica, so to speak.

[/quote]

I’m as disgusted as anyone by cops abusing people under the color of authority. I too want violent assholes off the street. Whether cops or other. But wishing someone gets hit by a buss and ends up a quadriplegic is at least as bad a mindset as cops who believe their authority allows them to abuse the people they’re supposed to protect.

[Coronita]

I was thinking about this situation and I think that GoPro or someone needs to come up with a tiny cloud based camera. One that immediately streams live video to the cloud where it is stored..permanently….Similar to a google glass concept, but something that can be attached to a person’s jacket or clothes.

I have an issue with all these videos taken on phones or in a dash cam or put on a cop’s gear is. For an honest cop, it probably won’t show much. But for a cop that isn’t, he/she/they would simply turn off the cam, or smash the one that belongs to the person. If the camera has a live stream and storage, it won’t be that easy for that video to simply “disappear”

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=SK in CV]
I’m as disgusted as anyone by cops abusing people under the color of authority. I too want violent assholes off the street. Whether cops or other. But wishing someone gets hit by a buss and ends up a quadriplegic is at least as bad a mindset as cops who believe their authority allows them to abuse the people they’re supposed to protect.[/quote]

Wishing is not a bad. spd is just venting, he has no power to run anyone over.

I was just talking to my retired cop neighbor/friend. He retired as a capitol cop which is not the same as a street cop. But he said it’s very common for cops to make up things to arrest and ID people for just being on the street.

The mind set of abusive cops that that they are the law and they get to do what they want.

[spdrun]

For what it’s worth, DC Capitol cops are generally more professional and better-trained than the average city/town cop. (For one thing, they have to deal with tourists, so they need some level of public relations/social skill.)

There was a funny incident this winter. For some reason, someone decided to direct the Capitol Police to enforce an old ban on sledding down Capitol Hill. People came in protest and started sledding anyway. No one ended up being tased or beaten up, and now Congress is likely to lift the ban. Some people know how to pick their battles versus resorting to tasers, fists, and billy clubs within five minutes.

I suspect even NYPD wouldn’t resort to the kind of crazy violence observed in the incident in Santa Monica. Slap a parking ticket on the car (no ID needed, just a plate #) if it’s parked during “no parking” hours and move on.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]
It’s interesting — when I was in a former police state (Poland) a few years ago, I saw someone in an all out screaming match with a traffic cop. After a few minutes, everyone calmed down and went their own way. No one had their face broken or was taken for a “rough ride.”
[/quote]

Interesting comment, spd. In other developed countries, the police seem a lot more tame.

CAr likes to compare to Northern Europe, but apparently not, when it comes to policing.

The Brits face issues of terrorism, maybe worse that NYC. They have a strong security apparatus. But their cops seem more polite and civilized than Americans cops.

[quote=spdrun]
Why does violence and abuse have to be the first resort in this country, not the last? Is it part of the “Western hero” mentality — ride into town, guns out, to clean things up
[/quote]

There’s undoubtedly a gun and violence culture in America.

[ltsddd]

[quote=flu]
I have an issue with all these videos taken on phones or in a dash cam or put on a cop’s gear is. For an honest cop, it probably won’t show much. But for a cop that isn’t, he/she/they would simply turn off the cam, or smash the one that belongs to the person. If the camera has a live stream and storage, it won’t be that easy for that video to simply “disappear”[/quote]

There’s no reason to “burden” the cops on turning the cameras on and off. That function should be taken away from them. Once they leave their vehicle or walked more than a few paces, the cameras should be turned on automatically. The technology to do those things are widely available and are already tightly integrated into our daily lives – smart keys, accelerometer sensor, etc. – that it should be that difficult to build them into these gadgets.

[CA renter]

[quote=njtosd][quote=CA renter]

If I have to choose between showing mercy for criminals who have no regard for innocent people vs. cops who show little/no regard for criminals, I will come down on the side of cops every single time. Of course, I do hope that cops use discretion and maintain their composure when dealing with suspects and criminals, but I also understand that they can make mistakes, and that they are dealing with the dark underbelly of human society, which will definitely cloud their perspective.

[/quote]

CA Renter – you seem sweetly unaware that people who like pushing others around (or worse) are disproportionately attracted to positions of authority. (Look at the history of the BTK killer, for example, or the ongoing issues with security guards). The more benefit of the doubt that you give them, the more attracted the bad actors are going to be. We want it to be very clear that being a police officer is not a license to play fast and loose with other people’s Constitutional rights.
And just to be clear, I don’t think all police officers are bad. I also don’t think all bartenders are alcoholics, but it has a certain appeal . . .[/quote]

You seem sweetly unaware of my understanding and position on this, njtosd. Read through this thread if you want to understand it a bit more:

http://piggington.com/ot_temecula_police_dui_checkpoint_8am_on_a_wed_morning

I’m fully aware of the fact that law enforcement positions attract power-hungry sociopaths. But it’s wrong to paint the entire profession with that broad brush, and it’s wrong to assume that every incident where someone is injured or killed is an example of police brutality or proof of racism.

Yes, police brutality exists, and I want to extinguish it as much as anyone, but riots, mass hysteria, and killing cops isn’t going to make it any better. If anything, it will make these problems worse.

[Anonymous]

[quote=flu]I was thinking about this situation and I think that GoPro or someone needs to come up with a tiny cloud based camera.[/quote]

They exist for phones.

http://www.wired.com/2015/05/right-film-police-apps-can-help/

All of you phone engineers out there are gonna help put a lot of dirty cops in prison.

Thanks for doing that.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=CA renter][quote=njtosd][quote=CA renter]

If I have to choose between showing mercy for criminals who have no regard for innocent people vs. cops who show little/no regard for criminals, I will come down on the side of cops every single time. Of course, I do hope that cops use discretion and maintain their composure when dealing with suspects and criminals, but I also understand that they can make mistakes, and that they are dealing with the dark underbelly of human society, which will definitely cloud their perspective.

[/quote]

CA Renter – you seem sweetly unaware that people who like pushing others around (or worse) are disproportionately attracted to positions of authority. (Look at the history of the BTK killer, for example, or the ongoing issues with security guards). The more benefit of the doubt that you give them, the more attracted the bad actors are going to be. We want it to be very clear that being a police officer is not a license to play fast and loose with other people’s Constitutional rights.
And just to be clear, I don’t think all police officers are bad. I also don’t think all bartenders are alcoholics, but it has a certain appeal . . .[/quote]

You seem sweetly unaware of my understanding and position on this, njtosd. Read through this thread if you want to understand it a bit more:

http://piggington.com/ot_temecula_police_dui_checkpoint_8am_on_a_wed_morning

I’m fully aware of the fact that law enforcement positions attract power-hungry sociopaths. But it’s wrong to paint the entire profession with that broad brush, and it’s wrong to assume that every incident where someone is injured or killed is an example of police brutality or proof of racism.

Yes, police brutality exists, and I want to extinguish it as much as anyone, but riots, mass hysteria, and killing cops isn’t going to make it any better. If anything, it will make these problems worse.[/quote]

i dont think anyone believes all cases where there is an injury equals brutality. but theres enough of a bad cop attitude for the public they serve to lose trust. not every community gets the same servinge…

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1hsvl_public-enemy-911-is-a-joke_musicremember

remember “911 is a joke” …. from public enemy about 20 years ago … it’s not like this problem hasnt been festering a looooonnnnggg time….

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