OT: Ford Dealer Recommendation

[Raybyrnes]

The best technicians usually learn their craft at a dealership. From a sales stand point, at least for new cars sales people are there to essentially sit with you on test drive.

Lease, buy, or finance depends on the person. I could pay cash but prefer to finance because I typically find financing rates close to risk free rates of return and I like liquidity.

If I owned a business and had multiple vehicles, Leases would provide better cash flow and greater deductions. MACRES limits your deduction on a finance but section 179 rewards you on vehicles over 6000 GVW.

Under My system if a dealer had a more convenient location you would go to that location and register your intent to buy. You could ask questions do our test drive etc without any hassle. The dealer would go out of their way to please you because if they pissed you off you would register elsewhere. Price would not be the determinant.

Imagine getting a person who could tell you about disc brakes maintenance costs, fuel consumption, product recalls, design changes as opposed to some slap ass running back and forth to a sales manager seeing what price to offer. ridiculous.

[briansd1]

Ray, you must be a business consultant of some kind.

I hate to say it but businesses are loosing money because they borrowed and invested based on consultants’ advices but aren’t getting the return.

If all businesses offered better services but aren’t able to charge for them, it becomes a loosing proposition. You don’t find that out until years later during a down business cycle. The debts still need to be paid back, but the revenues aren’t there any longer. That’s why hotels and airlines are cutting back. That’s why hotels and airlines don’t charge everyone the same price for the same service.

The dealer invested in his own business and he should be able to operate it the way he wants to maximize his profits. That’s what competition and capitalism is all about.

The only way your system would work is if the auto manufacturers owned the distribution channel. That won’t happen because they don’t have the money to invest in (or buy out) dealerships.

I personally like to haggle because I believe that I generally get good prices. If I don’t like a price, I always have to option to say no. What’s so difficult about that?

And why should good negotiators subsidize the bad ones? As I said before, if one wants an easy, smooth, no negotiating transaction, one always has the option of paying sticker price. Same thing goes with a house.

Just because prices are set the same for everyone doesn’t mean you’re not overpaying for the product or service.

[briansd1]

Ray, you must be a business consultant of some kind.

I hate to say it but businesses are loosing money because they borrowed and invested based on consultants’ advices but aren’t getting the return.

If all businesses offered better services but aren’t able to charge for them, it becomes a loosing proposition. You don’t find that out until years later during a down business cycle. The debts still need to be paid back, but the revenues aren’t there any longer. That’s why hotels and airlines are cutting back. That’s why hotels and airlines don’t charge everyone the same price for the same service.

The dealer invested in his own business and he should be able to operate it the way he wants to maximize his profits. That’s what competition and capitalism is all about.

The only way your system would work is if the auto manufacturers owned the distribution channel. That won’t happen because they don’t have the money to invest in (or buy out) dealerships.

I personally like to haggle because I believe that I generally get good prices. If I don’t like a price, I always have to option to say no. What’s so difficult about that?

And why should good negotiators subsidize the bad ones? As I said before, if one wants an easy, smooth, no negotiating transaction, one always has the option of paying sticker price. Same thing goes with a house.

Just because prices are set the same for everyone doesn’t mean you’re not overpaying for the product or service.

[briansd1]

Ray, you must be a business consultant of some kind.

I hate to say it but businesses are loosing money because they borrowed and invested based on consultants’ advices but aren’t getting the return.

If all businesses offered better services but aren’t able to charge for them, it becomes a loosing proposition. You don’t find that out until years later during a down business cycle. The debts still need to be paid back, but the revenues aren’t there any longer. That’s why hotels and airlines are cutting back. That’s why hotels and airlines don’t charge everyone the same price for the same service.

The dealer invested in his own business and he should be able to operate it the way he wants to maximize his profits. That’s what competition and capitalism is all about.

The only way your system would work is if the auto manufacturers owned the distribution channel. That won’t happen because they don’t have the money to invest in (or buy out) dealerships.

I personally like to haggle because I believe that I generally get good prices. If I don’t like a price, I always have to option to say no. What’s so difficult about that?

And why should good negotiators subsidize the bad ones? As I said before, if one wants an easy, smooth, no negotiating transaction, one always has the option of paying sticker price. Same thing goes with a house.

Just because prices are set the same for everyone doesn’t mean you’re not overpaying for the product or service.

[briansd1]

Ray, you must be a business consultant of some kind.

I hate to say it but businesses are loosing money because they borrowed and invested based on consultants’ advices but aren’t getting the return.

If all businesses offered better services but aren’t able to charge for them, it becomes a loosing proposition. You don’t find that out until years later during a down business cycle. The debts still need to be paid back, but the revenues aren’t there any longer. That’s why hotels and airlines are cutting back. That’s why hotels and airlines don’t charge everyone the same price for the same service.

The dealer invested in his own business and he should be able to operate it the way he wants to maximize his profits. That’s what competition and capitalism is all about.

The only way your system would work is if the auto manufacturers owned the distribution channel. That won’t happen because they don’t have the money to invest in (or buy out) dealerships.

I personally like to haggle because I believe that I generally get good prices. If I don’t like a price, I always have to option to say no. What’s so difficult about that?

And why should good negotiators subsidize the bad ones? As I said before, if one wants an easy, smooth, no negotiating transaction, one always has the option of paying sticker price. Same thing goes with a house.

Just because prices are set the same for everyone doesn’t mean you’re not overpaying for the product or service.

[briansd1]

Ray, you must be a business consultant of some kind.

I hate to say it but businesses are loosing money because they borrowed and invested based on consultants’ advices but aren’t getting the return.

If all businesses offered better services but aren’t able to charge for them, it becomes a loosing proposition. You don’t find that out until years later during a down business cycle. The debts still need to be paid back, but the revenues aren’t there any longer. That’s why hotels and airlines are cutting back. That’s why hotels and airlines don’t charge everyone the same price for the same service.

The dealer invested in his own business and he should be able to operate it the way he wants to maximize his profits. That’s what competition and capitalism is all about.

The only way your system would work is if the auto manufacturers owned the distribution channel. That won’t happen because they don’t have the money to invest in (or buy out) dealerships.

I personally like to haggle because I believe that I generally get good prices. If I don’t like a price, I always have to option to say no. What’s so difficult about that?

And why should good negotiators subsidize the bad ones? As I said before, if one wants an easy, smooth, no negotiating transaction, one always has the option of paying sticker price. Same thing goes with a house.

Just because prices are set the same for everyone doesn’t mean you’re not overpaying for the product or service.

[Raybyrnes]

briansd1

If competition and the system worked we wouldn’t be bailing out the auto makers. The system is broke. It needs to change. The internet has changed the nature of buying and selling.

Costco has locations all over the US. Would they be better off charging more or less for memberships based on location.

I am certain we could exchanges examples that support or contradicts each other argument.

With respect to haggling I rarely need to do any of it. I typically buy triple net minus manufacturers rebates. I prefer to buy new and think there are some advantages with respect to financing. Most dealers know, that I know how the game works so

There is a challenge with respect to San Diego dealers not having the same sales volumes as those in LA . That put’s them at a disadvantage.

Where car dealers stand to make the most money is in the used car market. This is where haggling and negotiation come into play. I am not a mechanic so other than looking at years, miles and price it is hard for me to determine an executives vehicle vs one drive by a 16 year old.

[Raybyrnes]

briansd1

If competition and the system worked we wouldn’t be bailing out the auto makers. The system is broke. It needs to change. The internet has changed the nature of buying and selling.

Costco has locations all over the US. Would they be better off charging more or less for memberships based on location.

I am certain we could exchanges examples that support or contradicts each other argument.

With respect to haggling I rarely need to do any of it. I typically buy triple net minus manufacturers rebates. I prefer to buy new and think there are some advantages with respect to financing. Most dealers know, that I know how the game works so

There is a challenge with respect to San Diego dealers not having the same sales volumes as those in LA . That put’s them at a disadvantage.

Where car dealers stand to make the most money is in the used car market. This is where haggling and negotiation come into play. I am not a mechanic so other than looking at years, miles and price it is hard for me to determine an executives vehicle vs one drive by a 16 year old.

[Raybyrnes]

briansd1

If competition and the system worked we wouldn’t be bailing out the auto makers. The system is broke. It needs to change. The internet has changed the nature of buying and selling.

Costco has locations all over the US. Would they be better off charging more or less for memberships based on location.

I am certain we could exchanges examples that support or contradicts each other argument.

With respect to haggling I rarely need to do any of it. I typically buy triple net minus manufacturers rebates. I prefer to buy new and think there are some advantages with respect to financing. Most dealers know, that I know how the game works so

There is a challenge with respect to San Diego dealers not having the same sales volumes as those in LA . That put’s them at a disadvantage.

Where car dealers stand to make the most money is in the used car market. This is where haggling and negotiation come into play. I am not a mechanic so other than looking at years, miles and price it is hard for me to determine an executives vehicle vs one drive by a 16 year old.

[Raybyrnes]

briansd1

If competition and the system worked we wouldn’t be bailing out the auto makers. The system is broke. It needs to change. The internet has changed the nature of buying and selling.

Costco has locations all over the US. Would they be better off charging more or less for memberships based on location.

I am certain we could exchanges examples that support or contradicts each other argument.

With respect to haggling I rarely need to do any of it. I typically buy triple net minus manufacturers rebates. I prefer to buy new and think there are some advantages with respect to financing. Most dealers know, that I know how the game works so

There is a challenge with respect to San Diego dealers not having the same sales volumes as those in LA . That put’s them at a disadvantage.

Where car dealers stand to make the most money is in the used car market. This is where haggling and negotiation come into play. I am not a mechanic so other than looking at years, miles and price it is hard for me to determine an executives vehicle vs one drive by a 16 year old.

[Raybyrnes]

briansd1

If competition and the system worked we wouldn’t be bailing out the auto makers. The system is broke. It needs to change. The internet has changed the nature of buying and selling.

Costco has locations all over the US. Would they be better off charging more or less for memberships based on location.

I am certain we could exchanges examples that support or contradicts each other argument.

With respect to haggling I rarely need to do any of it. I typically buy triple net minus manufacturers rebates. I prefer to buy new and think there are some advantages with respect to financing. Most dealers know, that I know how the game works so

There is a challenge with respect to San Diego dealers not having the same sales volumes as those in LA . That put’s them at a disadvantage.

Where car dealers stand to make the most money is in the used car market. This is where haggling and negotiation come into play. I am not a mechanic so other than looking at years, miles and price it is hard for me to determine an executives vehicle vs one drive by a 16 year old.

[paramount]

Just for the record I do not recommend Rancho Ford Temecula or the Costco Auto Buying program.

[paramount]

Just for the record I do not recommend Rancho Ford Temecula or the Costco Auto Buying program.

[paramount]

Just for the record I do not recommend Rancho Ford Temecula or the Costco Auto Buying program.

[paramount]

Just for the record I do not recommend Rancho Ford Temecula or the Costco Auto Buying program.

[Author]

Posts