OT: father is visiting and hospitalized by stroke

[briansd1]

[quote=ocrenter]
the point here is backing a single payer system really isn’t about right vs left. we really should not be thinking of it as an entitlement program, but rather a program to bring down outragous cost.

think about it, if the hospital charged the OP $5000 for his father’s visit, he/his father would have paid it. instead, they get billed $30k and they’ll probably just walk away from the bill completely.[/quote]

I very much agree with you.

If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.

[Eugene]

[quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.

[Eugene]

[quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.

[Eugene]

[quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.

[Eugene]

[quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.

[Eugene]

[quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[Eugene]

[quote=ocrenter]

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.[/quote]

Those are the ones you’re supposed to negotiate away. They are fictional charges which have no bearing to the real cost of healthcare, because almost no one would pay them.

In other words – even if the hospital would charge everyone honestly, we’d still spend 16% of GDP on healthcare.

If this weren’t the case, and you could really expect to cut OP’s hospital bill from 30k to 5k through single-payer healthcare reform, you would’ve cut spending from 16% of GDP to 3% of GDP. Which is significantly less than what everyone outside sub-Saharan Africa spends.

[Eugene]

[quote=ocrenter]

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.[/quote]

Those are the ones you’re supposed to negotiate away. They are fictional charges which have no bearing to the real cost of healthcare, because almost no one would pay them.

In other words – even if the hospital would charge everyone honestly, we’d still spend 16% of GDP on healthcare.

If this weren’t the case, and you could really expect to cut OP’s hospital bill from 30k to 5k through single-payer healthcare reform, you would’ve cut spending from 16% of GDP to 3% of GDP. Which is significantly less than what everyone outside sub-Saharan Africa spends.

[Eugene]

[quote=ocrenter]

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.[/quote]

Those are the ones you’re supposed to negotiate away. They are fictional charges which have no bearing to the real cost of healthcare, because almost no one would pay them.

In other words – even if the hospital would charge everyone honestly, we’d still spend 16% of GDP on healthcare.

If this weren’t the case, and you could really expect to cut OP’s hospital bill from 30k to 5k through single-payer healthcare reform, you would’ve cut spending from 16% of GDP to 3% of GDP. Which is significantly less than what everyone outside sub-Saharan Africa spends.

[Eugene]

[quote=ocrenter]

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.[/quote]

Those are the ones you’re supposed to negotiate away. They are fictional charges which have no bearing to the real cost of healthcare, because almost no one would pay them.

In other words – even if the hospital would charge everyone honestly, we’d still spend 16% of GDP on healthcare.

If this weren’t the case, and you could really expect to cut OP’s hospital bill from 30k to 5k through single-payer healthcare reform, you would’ve cut spending from 16% of GDP to 3% of GDP. Which is significantly less than what everyone outside sub-Saharan Africa spends.

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