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February 12, 2014 at 8:47 AM #770840February 12, 2014 at 9:07 AM #770842
spdrun
ParticipantEven if solar power isn’t used in situ, it can be resold to the grid. And excess grid power can be used to run desalination plants (which are largely independent of time-of-day). So there!
February 12, 2014 at 9:29 AM #770843an
Participant[quote=spdrun]Even if solar power isn’t used in situ, it can be resold to the grid. And excess grid power can be used to run desalination plants (which are largely independent of time-of-day). So there![/quote]Uh… no. Do your research. You’d be stupid to pay for solar to sell it back to the grid ATM.
February 12, 2014 at 11:05 AM #770845Participant^^^
We’re talking about an ideal world where it’s required in new developments. Perhaps power firms would also be required to accept power at reasonable rates in this universe.
February 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM #770846Participant[quote=spdrun]^^^
We’re talking about an ideal world where it’s required in new developments. Perhaps power firms would also be required to accept power at reasonable rates in this universe.[/quote]What’s the point in talking about fantasy land? I’m not talking about fantasy land. I’m talking about reality.
February 12, 2014 at 12:10 PM #770847ParticipantYour response was to a hypothetical, so we’re talking hypothetical scenarios 🙂
February 12, 2014 at 12:20 PM #770848Participant[quote=spdrun]Your response was to a hypothetical, so we’re talking hypothetical scenarios :)[/quote]Last I check, “should” is not a word you use to talk about hypothetical. It’s when you want something done in real life that isn’t done. Such as, “I should go to sleep” or “You should learn what hypothetical means”.
February 12, 2014 at 12:33 PM #770849ParticipantI said “perhaps [they] would.” The original poster said “should have” and was discussing a scenario as if what should have happened according to him did actually happen.
Are you just arguing to argue? It’s cool if you are, I’m an argumentative sort myself and the temptation is always there.
February 12, 2014 at 1:29 PM #770850Participant[quote=spdrun]I said “perhaps [they] would.” The original poster said “should have” and was discussing a scenario as if what should have happened according to him did actually happen.[/quote]Last I check, “perhaps … would” isn’t really used for talking about hypothetical either. Kind of like… “Perhaps, you would like to look up when to use the word would” or “Perhaps, I would be better off sleeping instead of responding to this post”.
February 12, 2014 at 1:39 PM #770851FlyerInHi
GuestYou have not experienced high water and utility rates until you look at Hawaii.
One argument is that people would save and retrofit to more efficient systems once the higher rates force them. But that is not that case because retrofitting is a very inefficient, slow, one by one process. It’s much better to build the infrastructure at the onset.
New house prices are set by a combination of factors but mostly by what buyers can afford monthly payment wise. If the costs are lower, the builders just pocket the extra profit margins. When costs are higher, they may try to pass on some costs of solar of water reclamation systems, but certainly not 100%.
February 12, 2014 at 2:31 PM #770852all
Participant[quote=livinincali][quote=AN]If there’s all these research put in to produce BEV and FCEV, why aren’t there a lot of research being made in desalinating water? After all, the ocean water is abundant. If we can desalinate at a more affordable cost, then all these talk about drought would be moot.[/quote]
Yeah, but we might kill a fish.[/quote]
Which is why the technology will likely be developed, or at least scaled up in another country. Maybe Mexico. Then we can build a pipeline.
February 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM #770853GuestFish or nimby? Let’s put the plant in la jolla or del mar.
February 12, 2014 at 3:17 PM #770854ParticipantEven better — isn’t the county planning to build the plant smack on the Carlsbad cost, near the Encina power station?
February 12, 2014 at 4:03 PM #770856no_such_reality
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=SD Realtor]Definitely Jeff… Had a thread on this site about 5 years ago about gray water systems. That should have been well thought out about oh…. 40 or 50 years ago and should have been mandated for builders to install them for residential landscape irrigations.
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Could not agree more. I also have a problem with using potable water for toilets. Not sure about you guys in SD, but my DH and I remember well the drought in the 80s up in LA. One has to wonder why haven’t we done anything about it in the past 30+ years? It’s not like we’ve ever had abundant water supplies here.
Same goes for solar, too. All recent developments should have had solar installed on the roofs, IMHO.[/quote]
According to US Department of Energy, Solar is 60% more expensive in total than coal. 40% more expensive than advanced coal cleaning technologies and more than DOUBLE the total cost of Natural Gas in a conventional plant. And these aren’t dirty plants, these are plants going into production in 2018, so they have the current environmental cleaning factors.
The report is Levelized Cost in New Energy Production
So, new advanced combined cycle natural gas plants produce for 6.6 cents/KwH, and Solar production with photo-cells comes in at $14.4 cents/KwH.
Individual house installation are even more inefficient and expensive with real production cost coming in the 20-30 cents/KwH range.
February 12, 2014 at 4:17 PM #770857ParticipantAdvanced coal still has the problem of environmental destruction from mining (ever seen a strip-mine?), plus CO2 emissions, even if sulfur dioxide and particulates are scrubbed.
Solar is also getting cheaper, and will CONTINUE to get cheaper as economies of scale from widespread adoption come into play. Besides, even at say 50% more expensive, there’s room for conservation of energy. Better lights, more efficient equipment, etc. If you go to many other countries, you see hotel and apt building hallway lights either on a motion sensor or a timer with a momentary contact switch outside of every door. Not so in the USA…
Lastly, assuming we end up with large-scale adoption of electric vehicles, a lot of the power will be consumed near the point of production. Think office parking lots with solar carport shades for charging…
PS – SPWR stock has been on an angry wildebeest style tear since late 2012…
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