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April 12, 2009 at 8:49 PM #380419April 12, 2009 at 8:52 PM #379792
Allan from Fallbrook
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April 12, 2009 at 8:52 PM #380250Allan from Fallbrook
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April 12, 2009 at 8:52 PM #380297Allan from Fallbrook
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April 12, 2009 at 8:52 PM #380424Allan from Fallbrook
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April 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM #379797Arraya
ParticipantMoney may be fine but compound interest is a bitch…. Those pirates are small time.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13055
Iceland is under attack – not militarily but financially. It owes more than it can pay. This threatens debtors with forfeiture of what remains of their homes and other assets. The government is being told to sell off the nation’s public domain, its natural resources and public enterprises to pay the financial gambling debts run up irresponsibly by a new banking class. This class is seeking to increase its wealth and power despite the fact that its debt-leveraging strategy already has plunged the economy into bankruptcy. On top of this, creditors are seeking to enact permanent taxes and sell off public assets to pay for bailouts to themselves.Being defeated by debt is as deadly as outright military warfare. Faced with loss of their property and means of self-support, many citizens will get sick, lead lives of increasing desperation and die early if they do not repudiate most of the fraudulently offered loans of the past five years. And defending its civil society will not be as easy as it is in a war where the citizenry stands together in coping with a visible aggressor. Iceland is confronted by more powerful nations, headed by the United States and Britain. They are unleashing their propagandists and mobilizing the IMF and World Bank to demand that Iceland not defend itself by wiping out its bad debts. Yet these creditor nations so far have taken no responsibility for the current credit mess. And indeed, the United States and Britain are net debtors on balance. But when it comes to their stance vis-à-vis Iceland, they are demanding that it impoverish its citizens by paying debts in ways that these nations themselves would never follow. They know that it lacks the money to pay, but they are quite willing to take payment in the form of foreclosure on the nation’s natural resources, land and housing, and a mortgage on the next few centuries of its future.
April 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM #380071Arraya
ParticipantMoney may be fine but compound interest is a bitch…. Those pirates are small time.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13055
Iceland is under attack – not militarily but financially. It owes more than it can pay. This threatens debtors with forfeiture of what remains of their homes and other assets. The government is being told to sell off the nation’s public domain, its natural resources and public enterprises to pay the financial gambling debts run up irresponsibly by a new banking class. This class is seeking to increase its wealth and power despite the fact that its debt-leveraging strategy already has plunged the economy into bankruptcy. On top of this, creditors are seeking to enact permanent taxes and sell off public assets to pay for bailouts to themselves.Being defeated by debt is as deadly as outright military warfare. Faced with loss of their property and means of self-support, many citizens will get sick, lead lives of increasing desperation and die early if they do not repudiate most of the fraudulently offered loans of the past five years. And defending its civil society will not be as easy as it is in a war where the citizenry stands together in coping with a visible aggressor. Iceland is confronted by more powerful nations, headed by the United States and Britain. They are unleashing their propagandists and mobilizing the IMF and World Bank to demand that Iceland not defend itself by wiping out its bad debts. Yet these creditor nations so far have taken no responsibility for the current credit mess. And indeed, the United States and Britain are net debtors on balance. But when it comes to their stance vis-à-vis Iceland, they are demanding that it impoverish its citizens by paying debts in ways that these nations themselves would never follow. They know that it lacks the money to pay, but they are quite willing to take payment in the form of foreclosure on the nation’s natural resources, land and housing, and a mortgage on the next few centuries of its future.
April 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM #380255Arraya
ParticipantMoney may be fine but compound interest is a bitch…. Those pirates are small time.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13055
Iceland is under attack – not militarily but financially. It owes more than it can pay. This threatens debtors with forfeiture of what remains of their homes and other assets. The government is being told to sell off the nation’s public domain, its natural resources and public enterprises to pay the financial gambling debts run up irresponsibly by a new banking class. This class is seeking to increase its wealth and power despite the fact that its debt-leveraging strategy already has plunged the economy into bankruptcy. On top of this, creditors are seeking to enact permanent taxes and sell off public assets to pay for bailouts to themselves.Being defeated by debt is as deadly as outright military warfare. Faced with loss of their property and means of self-support, many citizens will get sick, lead lives of increasing desperation and die early if they do not repudiate most of the fraudulently offered loans of the past five years. And defending its civil society will not be as easy as it is in a war where the citizenry stands together in coping with a visible aggressor. Iceland is confronted by more powerful nations, headed by the United States and Britain. They are unleashing their propagandists and mobilizing the IMF and World Bank to demand that Iceland not defend itself by wiping out its bad debts. Yet these creditor nations so far have taken no responsibility for the current credit mess. And indeed, the United States and Britain are net debtors on balance. But when it comes to their stance vis-à-vis Iceland, they are demanding that it impoverish its citizens by paying debts in ways that these nations themselves would never follow. They know that it lacks the money to pay, but they are quite willing to take payment in the form of foreclosure on the nation’s natural resources, land and housing, and a mortgage on the next few centuries of its future.
April 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM #380302Arraya
ParticipantMoney may be fine but compound interest is a bitch…. Those pirates are small time.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13055
Iceland is under attack – not militarily but financially. It owes more than it can pay. This threatens debtors with forfeiture of what remains of their homes and other assets. The government is being told to sell off the nation’s public domain, its natural resources and public enterprises to pay the financial gambling debts run up irresponsibly by a new banking class. This class is seeking to increase its wealth and power despite the fact that its debt-leveraging strategy already has plunged the economy into bankruptcy. On top of this, creditors are seeking to enact permanent taxes and sell off public assets to pay for bailouts to themselves.Being defeated by debt is as deadly as outright military warfare. Faced with loss of their property and means of self-support, many citizens will get sick, lead lives of increasing desperation and die early if they do not repudiate most of the fraudulently offered loans of the past five years. And defending its civil society will not be as easy as it is in a war where the citizenry stands together in coping with a visible aggressor. Iceland is confronted by more powerful nations, headed by the United States and Britain. They are unleashing their propagandists and mobilizing the IMF and World Bank to demand that Iceland not defend itself by wiping out its bad debts. Yet these creditor nations so far have taken no responsibility for the current credit mess. And indeed, the United States and Britain are net debtors on balance. But when it comes to their stance vis-à-vis Iceland, they are demanding that it impoverish its citizens by paying debts in ways that these nations themselves would never follow. They know that it lacks the money to pay, but they are quite willing to take payment in the form of foreclosure on the nation’s natural resources, land and housing, and a mortgage on the next few centuries of its future.
April 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM #380429Arraya
ParticipantMoney may be fine but compound interest is a bitch…. Those pirates are small time.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13055
Iceland is under attack – not militarily but financially. It owes more than it can pay. This threatens debtors with forfeiture of what remains of their homes and other assets. The government is being told to sell off the nation’s public domain, its natural resources and public enterprises to pay the financial gambling debts run up irresponsibly by a new banking class. This class is seeking to increase its wealth and power despite the fact that its debt-leveraging strategy already has plunged the economy into bankruptcy. On top of this, creditors are seeking to enact permanent taxes and sell off public assets to pay for bailouts to themselves.Being defeated by debt is as deadly as outright military warfare. Faced with loss of their property and means of self-support, many citizens will get sick, lead lives of increasing desperation and die early if they do not repudiate most of the fraudulently offered loans of the past five years. And defending its civil society will not be as easy as it is in a war where the citizenry stands together in coping with a visible aggressor. Iceland is confronted by more powerful nations, headed by the United States and Britain. They are unleashing their propagandists and mobilizing the IMF and World Bank to demand that Iceland not defend itself by wiping out its bad debts. Yet these creditor nations so far have taken no responsibility for the current credit mess. And indeed, the United States and Britain are net debtors on balance. But when it comes to their stance vis-à-vis Iceland, they are demanding that it impoverish its citizens by paying debts in ways that these nations themselves would never follow. They know that it lacks the money to pay, but they are quite willing to take payment in the form of foreclosure on the nation’s natural resources, land and housing, and a mortgage on the next few centuries of its future.
April 12, 2009 at 9:03 PM #379807Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=contrarian]We had the answer to this 200 years ago. We don’t need to invent a solution, just read some history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War
Yes, I know the world is so much more complex and we must indulge the sensitive nature of these indigenous people. We should take a lesson from the Chinese. Gotta love the Chinese for subtlety:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jan/30/china.johngittings/print
Contrarian: Speaking of the Barbary Pirates and the US response to same, have you read the contemporaneous writings of Jefferson and Franklin on the Musselmen (Muslims)?
There was a recognition over 200 years ago on America’s part as to the predatory nature of Islam, as well as the fact that Muslims accorded non-Muslims no respect and were seeking to enforce their will (such as piracy against American vessels) regardless of consequences.
As Contrarian points out, America’s response put paid to that and is forever enshrined in Marine Corps lore (“Shores of Tripoli”).
The Chinese respected and admired the hell out of the pirate/killers they apprehended…. right up to the time the Chinese put rifle bullets through their heads. Very low recidivism rate. And (strangely) not many pirates attacking Chinese vessels since. Go figure.
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April 12, 2009 at 9:03 PM #380082Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=contrarian]We had the answer to this 200 years ago. We don’t need to invent a solution, just read some history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War
Yes, I know the world is so much more complex and we must indulge the sensitive nature of these indigenous people. We should take a lesson from the Chinese. Gotta love the Chinese for subtlety:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jan/30/china.johngittings/print
Contrarian: Speaking of the Barbary Pirates and the US response to same, have you read the contemporaneous writings of Jefferson and Franklin on the Musselmen (Muslims)?
There was a recognition over 200 years ago on America’s part as to the predatory nature of Islam, as well as the fact that Muslims accorded non-Muslims no respect and were seeking to enforce their will (such as piracy against American vessels) regardless of consequences.
As Contrarian points out, America’s response put paid to that and is forever enshrined in Marine Corps lore (“Shores of Tripoli”).
The Chinese respected and admired the hell out of the pirate/killers they apprehended…. right up to the time the Chinese put rifle bullets through their heads. Very low recidivism rate. And (strangely) not many pirates attacking Chinese vessels since. Go figure.
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April 12, 2009 at 9:03 PM #380266Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=contrarian]We had the answer to this 200 years ago. We don’t need to invent a solution, just read some history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War
Yes, I know the world is so much more complex and we must indulge the sensitive nature of these indigenous people. We should take a lesson from the Chinese. Gotta love the Chinese for subtlety:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jan/30/china.johngittings/print
Contrarian: Speaking of the Barbary Pirates and the US response to same, have you read the contemporaneous writings of Jefferson and Franklin on the Musselmen (Muslims)?
There was a recognition over 200 years ago on America’s part as to the predatory nature of Islam, as well as the fact that Muslims accorded non-Muslims no respect and were seeking to enforce their will (such as piracy against American vessels) regardless of consequences.
As Contrarian points out, America’s response put paid to that and is forever enshrined in Marine Corps lore (“Shores of Tripoli”).
The Chinese respected and admired the hell out of the pirate/killers they apprehended…. right up to the time the Chinese put rifle bullets through their heads. Very low recidivism rate. And (strangely) not many pirates attacking Chinese vessels since. Go figure.
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April 12, 2009 at 9:03 PM #380312Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=contrarian]We had the answer to this 200 years ago. We don’t need to invent a solution, just read some history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War
Yes, I know the world is so much more complex and we must indulge the sensitive nature of these indigenous people. We should take a lesson from the Chinese. Gotta love the Chinese for subtlety:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jan/30/china.johngittings/print
Contrarian: Speaking of the Barbary Pirates and the US response to same, have you read the contemporaneous writings of Jefferson and Franklin on the Musselmen (Muslims)?
There was a recognition over 200 years ago on America’s part as to the predatory nature of Islam, as well as the fact that Muslims accorded non-Muslims no respect and were seeking to enforce their will (such as piracy against American vessels) regardless of consequences.
As Contrarian points out, America’s response put paid to that and is forever enshrined in Marine Corps lore (“Shores of Tripoli”).
The Chinese respected and admired the hell out of the pirate/killers they apprehended…. right up to the time the Chinese put rifle bullets through their heads. Very low recidivism rate. And (strangely) not many pirates attacking Chinese vessels since. Go figure.
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