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April 14, 2009 at 6:57 PM #381585April 14, 2009 at 7:07 PM #380953
Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=CONCHO]I would take their claims of nuclear waste dumping (and other fanatical claims as well) with a grain of NaCL because these are the people who refuse vaccinations on the idea that the U.S. is giving them AIDS.
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I’m not taking the Somalis word for it, I’m taking the United Nations Environment Programme’s word for it.
April 14, 2009 at 7:07 PM #381224Participant[quote=CONCHO]I would take their claims of nuclear waste dumping (and other fanatical claims as well) with a grain of NaCL because these are the people who refuse vaccinations on the idea that the U.S. is giving them AIDS.
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I’m not taking the Somalis word for it, I’m taking the United Nations Environment Programme’s word for it.
April 14, 2009 at 7:07 PM #381414Participant[quote=CONCHO]I would take their claims of nuclear waste dumping (and other fanatical claims as well) with a grain of NaCL because these are the people who refuse vaccinations on the idea that the U.S. is giving them AIDS.
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I’m not taking the Somalis word for it, I’m taking the United Nations Environment Programme’s word for it.
April 14, 2009 at 7:07 PM #381462Participant[quote=CONCHO]I would take their claims of nuclear waste dumping (and other fanatical claims as well) with a grain of NaCL because these are the people who refuse vaccinations on the idea that the U.S. is giving them AIDS.
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I’m not taking the Somalis word for it, I’m taking the United Nations Environment Programme’s word for it.
April 14, 2009 at 7:07 PM #381590Participant[quote=CONCHO]I would take their claims of nuclear waste dumping (and other fanatical claims as well) with a grain of NaCL because these are the people who refuse vaccinations on the idea that the U.S. is giving them AIDS.
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I’m not taking the Somalis word for it, I’m taking the United Nations Environment Programme’s word for it.
April 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM #380958ParticipantCONCHO: Okay, ceteris paribus, let’s say the pirates were there in some sort of ad hoc coast guard capacity. Being illiterate, they wouldn’t be able to distinguish a vessel carrying nuke waste from one carrying humanitarian aid.
Where the argument breaks down is once they’re aboard. At that point, no literacy is required to ascertain the difference between drums of toxic waste and foodstuffs. That they were able to make that distinction is clear, because they immediately went to Plan B, which was a simple hijacking for ransom. How do we know this for certain? Because of the facts surrounding the hijacking and subsequent US intervention.
This was no misunderstanding and these weren’t family men trying to feed their families, nor were they sailors policing their waters, trying to prevent illegal dumping. They hijacked a ship carrying food for starving Africans and were killed after refusing to release the captain of the Alabama. End of story and end of the convenient fiction as to their true intentions
April 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM #381229ParticipantCONCHO: Okay, ceteris paribus, let’s say the pirates were there in some sort of ad hoc coast guard capacity. Being illiterate, they wouldn’t be able to distinguish a vessel carrying nuke waste from one carrying humanitarian aid.
Where the argument breaks down is once they’re aboard. At that point, no literacy is required to ascertain the difference between drums of toxic waste and foodstuffs. That they were able to make that distinction is clear, because they immediately went to Plan B, which was a simple hijacking for ransom. How do we know this for certain? Because of the facts surrounding the hijacking and subsequent US intervention.
This was no misunderstanding and these weren’t family men trying to feed their families, nor were they sailors policing their waters, trying to prevent illegal dumping. They hijacked a ship carrying food for starving Africans and were killed after refusing to release the captain of the Alabama. End of story and end of the convenient fiction as to their true intentions
April 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM #381419ParticipantCONCHO: Okay, ceteris paribus, let’s say the pirates were there in some sort of ad hoc coast guard capacity. Being illiterate, they wouldn’t be able to distinguish a vessel carrying nuke waste from one carrying humanitarian aid.
Where the argument breaks down is once they’re aboard. At that point, no literacy is required to ascertain the difference between drums of toxic waste and foodstuffs. That they were able to make that distinction is clear, because they immediately went to Plan B, which was a simple hijacking for ransom. How do we know this for certain? Because of the facts surrounding the hijacking and subsequent US intervention.
This was no misunderstanding and these weren’t family men trying to feed their families, nor were they sailors policing their waters, trying to prevent illegal dumping. They hijacked a ship carrying food for starving Africans and were killed after refusing to release the captain of the Alabama. End of story and end of the convenient fiction as to their true intentions
April 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM #381467ParticipantCONCHO: Okay, ceteris paribus, let’s say the pirates were there in some sort of ad hoc coast guard capacity. Being illiterate, they wouldn’t be able to distinguish a vessel carrying nuke waste from one carrying humanitarian aid.
Where the argument breaks down is once they’re aboard. At that point, no literacy is required to ascertain the difference between drums of toxic waste and foodstuffs. That they were able to make that distinction is clear, because they immediately went to Plan B, which was a simple hijacking for ransom. How do we know this for certain? Because of the facts surrounding the hijacking and subsequent US intervention.
This was no misunderstanding and these weren’t family men trying to feed their families, nor were they sailors policing their waters, trying to prevent illegal dumping. They hijacked a ship carrying food for starving Africans and were killed after refusing to release the captain of the Alabama. End of story and end of the convenient fiction as to their true intentions
April 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM #381595ParticipantCONCHO: Okay, ceteris paribus, let’s say the pirates were there in some sort of ad hoc coast guard capacity. Being illiterate, they wouldn’t be able to distinguish a vessel carrying nuke waste from one carrying humanitarian aid.
Where the argument breaks down is once they’re aboard. At that point, no literacy is required to ascertain the difference between drums of toxic waste and foodstuffs. That they were able to make that distinction is clear, because they immediately went to Plan B, which was a simple hijacking for ransom. How do we know this for certain? Because of the facts surrounding the hijacking and subsequent US intervention.
This was no misunderstanding and these weren’t family men trying to feed their families, nor were they sailors policing their waters, trying to prevent illegal dumping. They hijacked a ship carrying food for starving Africans and were killed after refusing to release the captain of the Alabama. End of story and end of the convenient fiction as to their true intentions
April 14, 2009 at 7:40 PM #380974blahblahblah
ParticipantAllan again you are doing the thing where you’re trying to say that I am excusing the behavior of these pirate criminals. Why are you doing that? I am merely pointing out that this is the latest event in a cycle of criminality that started with European companies and governments using Somalia as a toxic waste dumping ground and fishing free-for-all. My point is that no one is above the law and that we can’t let these Euros off the hook. What is happening here is that these pirates, who are responsible for the deaths of tens or maybe hundreds of people will get lots of press attention and bullets shot their way, while the companies doing the dumping and illegal fishing will be left completely alone while their actions are responsible for the death and misery of tens of thousands or more.
The “civilized” countries must take the high ground and stop breaking the law if they expect the “savage” countries to follow their lead. In the meantime a few pirates must get bullets in the head, which is sad but unfortunately necessary.
April 14, 2009 at 7:40 PM #381247ParticipantAllan again you are doing the thing where you’re trying to say that I am excusing the behavior of these pirate criminals. Why are you doing that? I am merely pointing out that this is the latest event in a cycle of criminality that started with European companies and governments using Somalia as a toxic waste dumping ground and fishing free-for-all. My point is that no one is above the law and that we can’t let these Euros off the hook. What is happening here is that these pirates, who are responsible for the deaths of tens or maybe hundreds of people will get lots of press attention and bullets shot their way, while the companies doing the dumping and illegal fishing will be left completely alone while their actions are responsible for the death and misery of tens of thousands or more.
The “civilized” countries must take the high ground and stop breaking the law if they expect the “savage” countries to follow their lead. In the meantime a few pirates must get bullets in the head, which is sad but unfortunately necessary.
April 14, 2009 at 7:40 PM #381436ParticipantAllan again you are doing the thing where you’re trying to say that I am excusing the behavior of these pirate criminals. Why are you doing that? I am merely pointing out that this is the latest event in a cycle of criminality that started with European companies and governments using Somalia as a toxic waste dumping ground and fishing free-for-all. My point is that no one is above the law and that we can’t let these Euros off the hook. What is happening here is that these pirates, who are responsible for the deaths of tens or maybe hundreds of people will get lots of press attention and bullets shot their way, while the companies doing the dumping and illegal fishing will be left completely alone while their actions are responsible for the death and misery of tens of thousands or more.
The “civilized” countries must take the high ground and stop breaking the law if they expect the “savage” countries to follow their lead. In the meantime a few pirates must get bullets in the head, which is sad but unfortunately necessary.
April 14, 2009 at 7:40 PM #381483ParticipantAllan again you are doing the thing where you’re trying to say that I am excusing the behavior of these pirate criminals. Why are you doing that? I am merely pointing out that this is the latest event in a cycle of criminality that started with European companies and governments using Somalia as a toxic waste dumping ground and fishing free-for-all. My point is that no one is above the law and that we can’t let these Euros off the hook. What is happening here is that these pirates, who are responsible for the deaths of tens or maybe hundreds of people will get lots of press attention and bullets shot their way, while the companies doing the dumping and illegal fishing will be left completely alone while their actions are responsible for the death and misery of tens of thousands or more.
The “civilized” countries must take the high ground and stop breaking the law if they expect the “savage” countries to follow their lead. In the meantime a few pirates must get bullets in the head, which is sad but unfortunately necessary.
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