OT: Celtics vs. Lakers

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=desmond]Allan, “high tens of millions?” how wrong you are:

NCAA signs new 14-year TV deal for DI men’s basketball
CBS and Turner join forces to pay $10.8 billion for tournament rights fee

That’s for Basketball

Here’s some numbers for 2008:
Total Revenue (all sports)

Big Ten (280,628,952)
Southeastern (272,116,806)
Big XII (139,306,532)
ACC (126,608,527)
Pac Ten (103,053,427)
Big East (93,149,910)
Mountain West (48,022,000)
CUSA (36,081,537)
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Desmond: I stand corrected. And the numbers above REALLY prove my point. I knew they were big, but I didn’t have any idea HOW big.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.[/quote]

I understand someone with a love of sports wanting to have the privelege of playing and having that be sponsored by the school. That said, I am not sure I see any overiding value in sports and schools going hand in hand to the degree that they do, at any level. Given the way things are, I wouldn’t let my opinions interfere with my kid’s,or any kid’s wishes to particpate either.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.[/quote]

I understand someone with a love of sports wanting to have the privelege of playing and having that be sponsored by the school. That said, I am not sure I see any overiding value in sports and schools going hand in hand to the degree that they do, at any level. Given the way things are, I wouldn’t let my opinions interfere with my kid’s,or any kid’s wishes to particpate either.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.[/quote]

I understand someone with a love of sports wanting to have the privelege of playing and having that be sponsored by the school. That said, I am not sure I see any overiding value in sports and schools going hand in hand to the degree that they do, at any level. Given the way things are, I wouldn’t let my opinions interfere with my kid’s,or any kid’s wishes to particpate either.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.[/quote]

I understand someone with a love of sports wanting to have the privelege of playing and having that be sponsored by the school. That said, I am not sure I see any overiding value in sports and schools going hand in hand to the degree that they do, at any level. Given the way things are, I wouldn’t let my opinions interfere with my kid’s,or any kid’s wishes to particpate either.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Allan, I apologize for saying football. This time I was wrong to single out football. All sports.Atheletes across the board must function as a reasonably normal student.

Yes, if the NFL wants them sign em up. If they aren’t ready but might be someday, take care of them with minor leagues or whatever.[/quote]

Russell: But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.

The numbers bear this out. Pro sports, like the NBA, MLB and NFL, are comprised of fairly small numbers of players (compared to the collegiate ranks) and most collegiate players, especially those from smaller colleges and universities, probably know full well that their chance of being a pro athlete is an exceptionally small one and thus are playing because they love their sport.

I would have killed for the chance to play college football, but I never got the chance. I would have killed to play, not because I thought the NFL was waiting for me, but because I would have loved to have competed at that level and to see if I had what it took to be there. I think every Pop Warner kid (or Little League kid or AYSO kid) dreams of the “bigs”, but, by the time you hit high school, you realize that the odds are strongly against you.[/quote]

I understand someone with a love of sports wanting to have the privelege of playing and having that be sponsored by the school. That said, I am not sure I see any overiding value in sports and schools going hand in hand to the degree that they do, at any level. Given the way things are, I wouldn’t let my opinions interfere with my kid’s,or any kid’s wishes to particpate either.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]
I understand someone with a love of sports wanting to have the privelege of playing and having that be sponsored by the school. That said, I am not sure I see any overiding value in sports and schools going hand in hand to the degree that they do, at any level. Given the way things are, I wouldn’t let my opinions interfere with my kid’s,or any kid’s wishes to particpate either.[/quote]

Russell: What about the values instilled by team sports? Forgetting football, or basketball, or baseball for a second. What about crew? Wrestling? Field hockey?

I never played collegiate sports, but I did play high school sports (football, baseball and wrestling) and those memories are still with me today, along with the lessons I learned about adversity, teamwork and striving for goals. Part of the college experience is the various extracurricular activities you participate in, including sports. If you treat the values instilled by team sports as being part of what makes you a better person, wouldn’t academics and athletics go hand-in-hand? Isn’t the whole point behind the notion of a student-athlete?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]
I understand someone with a love of sports wanting to have the privelege of playing and having that be sponsored by the school. That said, I am not sure I see any overiding value in sports and schools going hand in hand to the degree that they do, at any level. Given the way things are, I wouldn’t let my opinions interfere with my kid’s,or any kid’s wishes to particpate either.[/quote]

Russell: What about the values instilled by team sports? Forgetting football, or basketball, or baseball for a second. What about crew? Wrestling? Field hockey?

I never played collegiate sports, but I did play high school sports (football, baseball and wrestling) and those memories are still with me today, along with the lessons I learned about adversity, teamwork and striving for goals. Part of the college experience is the various extracurricular activities you participate in, including sports. If you treat the values instilled by team sports as being part of what makes you a better person, wouldn’t academics and athletics go hand-in-hand? Isn’t the whole point behind the notion of a student-athlete?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]
I understand someone with a love of sports wanting to have the privelege of playing and having that be sponsored by the school. That said, I am not sure I see any overiding value in sports and schools going hand in hand to the degree that they do, at any level. Given the way things are, I wouldn’t let my opinions interfere with my kid’s,or any kid’s wishes to particpate either.[/quote]

Russell: What about the values instilled by team sports? Forgetting football, or basketball, or baseball for a second. What about crew? Wrestling? Field hockey?

I never played collegiate sports, but I did play high school sports (football, baseball and wrestling) and those memories are still with me today, along with the lessons I learned about adversity, teamwork and striving for goals. Part of the college experience is the various extracurricular activities you participate in, including sports. If you treat the values instilled by team sports as being part of what makes you a better person, wouldn’t academics and athletics go hand-in-hand? Isn’t the whole point behind the notion of a student-athlete?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]
I understand someone with a love of sports wanting to have the privelege of playing and having that be sponsored by the school. That said, I am not sure I see any overiding value in sports and schools going hand in hand to the degree that they do, at any level. Given the way things are, I wouldn’t let my opinions interfere with my kid’s,or any kid’s wishes to particpate either.[/quote]

Russell: What about the values instilled by team sports? Forgetting football, or basketball, or baseball for a second. What about crew? Wrestling? Field hockey?

I never played collegiate sports, but I did play high school sports (football, baseball and wrestling) and those memories are still with me today, along with the lessons I learned about adversity, teamwork and striving for goals. Part of the college experience is the various extracurricular activities you participate in, including sports. If you treat the values instilled by team sports as being part of what makes you a better person, wouldn’t academics and athletics go hand-in-hand? Isn’t the whole point behind the notion of a student-athlete?

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