OT: Celtics vs. Lakers

[desmond]

Russell,
“Haters” is just a term, I to have lost interest in professional sports. I would not pay to see a game other than a Padre game at Petco once in a long while. I guess as you get older that “dream” slowly fades away, whatever that “dream” is.

[davelj]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Not arguing against offering collegiate athletes compensation, but I think those revenue dollars get spent fairly quickly, especially when you’re paying head coaches $4MM a year.[/quote]

That gets to my larger point. The head coaches and the whole NCAA human infrastructure (at least at the Division I level) are making gobs of money off of these athletes. I’d rather see the money go to the athletes than the coaches, administrators, etc.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The cynic in me also believes there is plenty of “compensation” going around from alum organizations and “friends” of the program, too. Perhaps not as egregious as it was during the 1960s – mid 1980s, but its still there.[/quote]

Agreed. Let’s stop pretending and get it all out in the open.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.[/quote]

I agree. My “pay the athletes” plan would realistically only apply to the big Division I schools. The vast majority of college athletes aren’t worth much from a compensation standpoint (that’s just reality). And they can play for non-Division I schools (and get scholarships, etc.) just as they do now. My plan would really only affect how things work at the largest basketball and football programs – that is, the ones that take in almost all of the money. Given all the money that flies around, these athletes are effectively semi-pros that don’t get paid (or get paid in the form of a scholarship that many can’t even take advantage of due to the time commitments of the sport they play).

[davelj]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Not arguing against offering collegiate athletes compensation, but I think those revenue dollars get spent fairly quickly, especially when you’re paying head coaches $4MM a year.[/quote]

That gets to my larger point. The head coaches and the whole NCAA human infrastructure (at least at the Division I level) are making gobs of money off of these athletes. I’d rather see the money go to the athletes than the coaches, administrators, etc.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The cynic in me also believes there is plenty of “compensation” going around from alum organizations and “friends” of the program, too. Perhaps not as egregious as it was during the 1960s – mid 1980s, but its still there.[/quote]

Agreed. Let’s stop pretending and get it all out in the open.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.[/quote]

I agree. My “pay the athletes” plan would realistically only apply to the big Division I schools. The vast majority of college athletes aren’t worth much from a compensation standpoint (that’s just reality). And they can play for non-Division I schools (and get scholarships, etc.) just as they do now. My plan would really only affect how things work at the largest basketball and football programs – that is, the ones that take in almost all of the money. Given all the money that flies around, these athletes are effectively semi-pros that don’t get paid (or get paid in the form of a scholarship that many can’t even take advantage of due to the time commitments of the sport they play).

[davelj]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Not arguing against offering collegiate athletes compensation, but I think those revenue dollars get spent fairly quickly, especially when you’re paying head coaches $4MM a year.[/quote]

That gets to my larger point. The head coaches and the whole NCAA human infrastructure (at least at the Division I level) are making gobs of money off of these athletes. I’d rather see the money go to the athletes than the coaches, administrators, etc.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The cynic in me also believes there is plenty of “compensation” going around from alum organizations and “friends” of the program, too. Perhaps not as egregious as it was during the 1960s – mid 1980s, but its still there.[/quote]

Agreed. Let’s stop pretending and get it all out in the open.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.[/quote]

I agree. My “pay the athletes” plan would realistically only apply to the big Division I schools. The vast majority of college athletes aren’t worth much from a compensation standpoint (that’s just reality). And they can play for non-Division I schools (and get scholarships, etc.) just as they do now. My plan would really only affect how things work at the largest basketball and football programs – that is, the ones that take in almost all of the money. Given all the money that flies around, these athletes are effectively semi-pros that don’t get paid (or get paid in the form of a scholarship that many can’t even take advantage of due to the time commitments of the sport they play).

[davelj]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Not arguing against offering collegiate athletes compensation, but I think those revenue dollars get spent fairly quickly, especially when you’re paying head coaches $4MM a year.[/quote]

That gets to my larger point. The head coaches and the whole NCAA human infrastructure (at least at the Division I level) are making gobs of money off of these athletes. I’d rather see the money go to the athletes than the coaches, administrators, etc.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The cynic in me also believes there is plenty of “compensation” going around from alum organizations and “friends” of the program, too. Perhaps not as egregious as it was during the 1960s – mid 1980s, but its still there.[/quote]

Agreed. Let’s stop pretending and get it all out in the open.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.[/quote]

I agree. My “pay the athletes” plan would realistically only apply to the big Division I schools. The vast majority of college athletes aren’t worth much from a compensation standpoint (that’s just reality). And they can play for non-Division I schools (and get scholarships, etc.) just as they do now. My plan would really only affect how things work at the largest basketball and football programs – that is, the ones that take in almost all of the money. Given all the money that flies around, these athletes are effectively semi-pros that don’t get paid (or get paid in the form of a scholarship that many can’t even take advantage of due to the time commitments of the sport they play).

[davelj]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Not arguing against offering collegiate athletes compensation, but I think those revenue dollars get spent fairly quickly, especially when you’re paying head coaches $4MM a year.[/quote]

That gets to my larger point. The head coaches and the whole NCAA human infrastructure (at least at the Division I level) are making gobs of money off of these athletes. I’d rather see the money go to the athletes than the coaches, administrators, etc.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The cynic in me also believes there is plenty of “compensation” going around from alum organizations and “friends” of the program, too. Perhaps not as egregious as it was during the 1960s – mid 1980s, but its still there.[/quote]

Agreed. Let’s stop pretending and get it all out in the open.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
But I’d opine that most student-athletes ARE student-athletes. Yes, I realize for every Stanford or Notre Dame, there are programs that are sub-standard, but I’d imagine that most collegiate athletes play for love of the sport, and not because they’re seeing dollar signs post-college.[/quote]

I agree. My “pay the athletes” plan would realistically only apply to the big Division I schools. The vast majority of college athletes aren’t worth much from a compensation standpoint (that’s just reality). And they can play for non-Division I schools (and get scholarships, etc.) just as they do now. My plan would really only affect how things work at the largest basketball and football programs – that is, the ones that take in almost all of the money. Given all the money that flies around, these athletes are effectively semi-pros that don’t get paid (or get paid in the form of a scholarship that many can’t even take advantage of due to the time commitments of the sport they play).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dave: I think we’re all carefully avoiding two topics here: Firstly, that the big Div I programs bear a startling resemblance to the ownership of the NFL, especially as it relates to division of the monies received from television, merchandising/marketing and bowl appearance fees, as well as the corrupting influence of that money (see USC Football and Basketball). Secondly, that the NFL is a plantation labor system and that certain NCAA schools (University of Miami comes to mind) function as a glorified farm system for the NFL.

Whether or not the NCAA sanctions against USC are fair or not is arguable, but what’s inarguable is that USC, under Pete Carroll, was a pro-style program (and one look at the number of USC football players in the pro ranks bears this out), designed and built to deliver playoff wins and all the commensurate “goodies”, including merchandising, ESPN/major affiliate airtime, marquee bowl appearances and lots and lots of money.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dave: I think we’re all carefully avoiding two topics here: Firstly, that the big Div I programs bear a startling resemblance to the ownership of the NFL, especially as it relates to division of the monies received from television, merchandising/marketing and bowl appearance fees, as well as the corrupting influence of that money (see USC Football and Basketball). Secondly, that the NFL is a plantation labor system and that certain NCAA schools (University of Miami comes to mind) function as a glorified farm system for the NFL.

Whether or not the NCAA sanctions against USC are fair or not is arguable, but what’s inarguable is that USC, under Pete Carroll, was a pro-style program (and one look at the number of USC football players in the pro ranks bears this out), designed and built to deliver playoff wins and all the commensurate “goodies”, including merchandising, ESPN/major affiliate airtime, marquee bowl appearances and lots and lots of money.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dave: I think we’re all carefully avoiding two topics here: Firstly, that the big Div I programs bear a startling resemblance to the ownership of the NFL, especially as it relates to division of the monies received from television, merchandising/marketing and bowl appearance fees, as well as the corrupting influence of that money (see USC Football and Basketball). Secondly, that the NFL is a plantation labor system and that certain NCAA schools (University of Miami comes to mind) function as a glorified farm system for the NFL.

Whether or not the NCAA sanctions against USC are fair or not is arguable, but what’s inarguable is that USC, under Pete Carroll, was a pro-style program (and one look at the number of USC football players in the pro ranks bears this out), designed and built to deliver playoff wins and all the commensurate “goodies”, including merchandising, ESPN/major affiliate airtime, marquee bowl appearances and lots and lots of money.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dave: I think we’re all carefully avoiding two topics here: Firstly, that the big Div I programs bear a startling resemblance to the ownership of the NFL, especially as it relates to division of the monies received from television, merchandising/marketing and bowl appearance fees, as well as the corrupting influence of that money (see USC Football and Basketball). Secondly, that the NFL is a plantation labor system and that certain NCAA schools (University of Miami comes to mind) function as a glorified farm system for the NFL.

Whether or not the NCAA sanctions against USC are fair or not is arguable, but what’s inarguable is that USC, under Pete Carroll, was a pro-style program (and one look at the number of USC football players in the pro ranks bears this out), designed and built to deliver playoff wins and all the commensurate “goodies”, including merchandising, ESPN/major affiliate airtime, marquee bowl appearances and lots and lots of money.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dave: I think we’re all carefully avoiding two topics here: Firstly, that the big Div I programs bear a startling resemblance to the ownership of the NFL, especially as it relates to division of the monies received from television, merchandising/marketing and bowl appearance fees, as well as the corrupting influence of that money (see USC Football and Basketball). Secondly, that the NFL is a plantation labor system and that certain NCAA schools (University of Miami comes to mind) function as a glorified farm system for the NFL.

Whether or not the NCAA sanctions against USC are fair or not is arguable, but what’s inarguable is that USC, under Pete Carroll, was a pro-style program (and one look at the number of USC football players in the pro ranks bears this out), designed and built to deliver playoff wins and all the commensurate “goodies”, including merchandising, ESPN/major affiliate airtime, marquee bowl appearances and lots and lots of money.

[equalizer]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Grew up in Orange County and was a lakers fan through the good years – Magic, Rambis, Kareem, Worthy etc.

I hate the NBA now, its a bunch of hacks doing just that… Seeing how many time they can get fouled and get to the line. Dont get me wrong, Kobe and others have talent but I think the NBA is a theatrical joke.

Dont really care who wins.. want the lakers to win because of the past and because they are socal, want the east coast to win bc im not a big fan of kobe.[/quote]
Yeah, the good old days. Kobe was shooting 30% in last game. Much rather watch Worthy, Kareem, Magic and Riley in 85-87 Lakers DVD on Netflix.

[equalizer]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Grew up in Orange County and was a lakers fan through the good years – Magic, Rambis, Kareem, Worthy etc.

I hate the NBA now, its a bunch of hacks doing just that… Seeing how many time they can get fouled and get to the line. Dont get me wrong, Kobe and others have talent but I think the NBA is a theatrical joke.

Dont really care who wins.. want the lakers to win because of the past and because they are socal, want the east coast to win bc im not a big fan of kobe.[/quote]
Yeah, the good old days. Kobe was shooting 30% in last game. Much rather watch Worthy, Kareem, Magic and Riley in 85-87 Lakers DVD on Netflix.

[equalizer]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Grew up in Orange County and was a lakers fan through the good years – Magic, Rambis, Kareem, Worthy etc.

I hate the NBA now, its a bunch of hacks doing just that… Seeing how many time they can get fouled and get to the line. Dont get me wrong, Kobe and others have talent but I think the NBA is a theatrical joke.

Dont really care who wins.. want the lakers to win because of the past and because they are socal, want the east coast to win bc im not a big fan of kobe.[/quote]
Yeah, the good old days. Kobe was shooting 30% in last game. Much rather watch Worthy, Kareem, Magic and Riley in 85-87 Lakers DVD on Netflix.

[equalizer]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Grew up in Orange County and was a lakers fan through the good years – Magic, Rambis, Kareem, Worthy etc.

I hate the NBA now, its a bunch of hacks doing just that… Seeing how many time they can get fouled and get to the line. Dont get me wrong, Kobe and others have talent but I think the NBA is a theatrical joke.

Dont really care who wins.. want the lakers to win because of the past and because they are socal, want the east coast to win bc im not a big fan of kobe.[/quote]
Yeah, the good old days. Kobe was shooting 30% in last game. Much rather watch Worthy, Kareem, Magic and Riley in 85-87 Lakers DVD on Netflix.

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