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May 31, 2012 at 8:57 AM #744612May 31, 2012 at 9:32 AM #744613
no_such_reality
ParticipantEnding the corn and grain subsidies is a no brainer. Corn is in everything.
Here’s another no brainer.
The ingredient list has to be on the front display of the package, in a font no smaller than 1/3rd the size of the largest font on the package and no smaller than 12 point in Arial MT normal font.
May 31, 2012 at 9:35 AM #744616
CoronitaParticipantWow… Big Government telling us what we can and can’t eat….Nice….
What next? A law banning sex because people don’t use contraceptives?
You think maybe just maybe our government should focus on slightly more important things…Like maybe fixing the fvcking economy??????
May 31, 2012 at 9:44 AM #744618ocrenter
Participant[quote=flu]Wow… Big Government telling us what we can and can’t eat….Nice….
What next? A law banning sex because people don’t use contraceptives?
You think maybe just maybe our government should focus on slightly more important things…Like maybe fixing the fvcking economy??????[/quote]
flu, but you know the economy doesn’t really get fixed via government intervention. you know better than that.
May 31, 2012 at 10:49 AM #744628Participant[quote=no_such_reality]Ending the corn and grain subsidies is a no brainer. Corn is in everything.
Here’s another no brainer.
The ingredient list has to be on the front display of the package, in a font no smaller than 1/3rd the size of the largest font on the package and no smaller than 12 point in Arial MT normal font.[/quote]
it is not a no brainer because the vested interest will fight you every step of the way.
May 31, 2012 at 12:50 PM #744635May 31, 2012 at 1:02 PM #744636Participant[quote=blake]Bloomberg’s Attack On Big Soda Lacks One Thing: Scientific Evidence[/quote]
I agree, the ban misses the point.
The main issue here is the corn and grain subsidies, the advertising to children, and the generally extreme large portions of everything.
May 31, 2012 at 1:07 PM #744637outtamojo
Participant[quote=blake]Bloomberg’s Attack On Big Soda Lacks One Thing: Scientific Evidence[/quote]
Yay – the buck fifty Costco all beef hot dog and soda with FREE refills is a staple of my diet.
May 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM #744638kev374
ParticipantFruit juices do the same damage as sodas… in a fruit the sugar is not easily absorbed by the body due to the fiber, it is nature’s way of regulation and preventing damage to the body, a fruit juice has this balance destroyed and only the sugar squeezed out of the fruit causes blood glucose to skyrocket just like sodas would.
How many people have you seen drink an entire glass of Orange juice for breakfast and they are thinking this is actually HEALTHY! while infact they are pouring sugar down their throats and destroying their body.
The public health crisis is also caused due to lack of education. When most people think of sugar they think of sucrose – white table sugar.
They do not know that sugars include all starches rice, wheat, corn etc. (complex carbs). A starch is nothing but a chain of sugar (glucose) molecules. That means white rice, white bread etc. is JUST AS damaging as a can of soda – why not ban those as well?
I think education and personal responsibility is the key, not banning stuff.. people will find a way to drink it anyway.
May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM #744639scaredyclassic
ParticipantI have never had visible abdominal muscles but I will by the end of this year. I blame junk food.
May 31, 2012 at 1:23 PM #744640ParticipantWhy is Starbucks, my favorite whipping boy for over-consumption/profligate personal spending not a target in the fight against obesity?
http://www.healthhabits.ca/2011/01/18/starbucks-trenta-breakthrough-human-obesity/
May 31, 2012 at 1:25 PM #744641Participant[quote=squat250]I have never had visible abdominal muscles but I will by the end of this year. I blame junk food.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve been exercising about an hour a day for the last 8 months and now I’ve got these hard boney things on my side- what are they called again?
May 31, 2012 at 1:25 PM #744642poorgradstudent
ParticipantObesity is a huge public health problem, one the free market obviously has no incentive to solve, and thus requires public and government action.
Bloomberg’s idea is terrible. I can think of plenty of workarounds. “Buy one, get one free (or half off or whatever)” for starters. Selling large soda cups with “diet only” printed on them, but not making any effort to police customers filling their own soda drinks. Those are just two mediocre ideas off the top of my head.
Obesity for the most part isn’t a supply problem, it’s a demand problem. There are ways to Nudge the public into making better choices, but this sort of heavy handed ban just never works. Reminds me of San Fran’s ban on free toys with happy meals. The easy work around? Sell the toys for a penny.
May 31, 2012 at 1:33 PM #744643Participant[quote=kev374]How many people have you seen drink an entire glass of Orange juice for breakfast and they are thinking this is actually HEALTHY! while infact they are pouring sugar down their throats and destroying their body.
The public health crisis is also caused due to lack of education. When most people think of sugar they think of sucrose – white table sugar.
They do not know that sugars include all starches rice, wheat, corn etc. (complex carbs). A starch is nothing but a chain of sugar (glucose) molecules. That means white rice, white bread etc. is JUST AS damaging as a can of soda – why not ban those as well?[/quote]
This is a fairly simplistic way of thinking about nutrition. If your point is the fact that ultimately all carbohydrates are broken down into glucose (which in turn is broken down into ATP at the cellular level), then sure, all starches are identical. But complex carbs require more energy to break down to get the glucose out of them, which actually can mean less net gain relative to grams consumed. There’s even debate if fructose and sucrose are processed in different ways by the body. Many of the foods that contain complex carbs also have more other nutrients present as well. I don’t think anyone would claim the carbs from a slice of whole wheat bread and equal carbs from a can of soda are identical for your body.I think the big difference between juice and soda is how they are consumed. Most people don’t drink 32 or 64 ounces of juice in a day. But drinking that much soda isn’t unusual. Generally you can consume anything in moderation, and *most* people drink juice in moderation. If you drink one can of sugar soda a day, there’s a bigger risk to your teeth than your waistline.
May 31, 2012 at 1:44 PM #744644Participant@poorgradstudent, when I referred to carbs I was mainly focusing on refined carbs such as white bread, white rice and corn flour. Yes, you are right that complex carbs take more energy to break down but by contrast we consume a much larger quantity and also more frequently than an equivalent portion of fruits and vegetables.
In small portions nothing is that detrimental but have you seen an American portion size lately? LOL!
The French Paradox highlights this phenomenon actually – the French diet is what would be considered unhealthy but their portion sizes are highly regulated.
Actually I have seen people drinking 2 glasses of Orange Juice quite frequently – they get 1 glass and then go for refills.
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