OT: Bioengineered Foods.

[DWCAP]

ok, I am sooooo gonna get hated on here, but this is a bunch of fear mongering. Look, I am the grandson/nephew of many many farmers. I was actually on a combine harvesting corn and soybeans this past October. I have also spent more than one class in college on food/food production/nutrition. I am not an expert, I dont claim to be. But I know a little more about this than what I read on the internet.

1) Notice how they splice in alot of really negative words. Calling this or that a “travesty” or a “potential disaster” or whatever. Makes you scared. Puts you in a defensive position of “well, we don’t know so it must be bad.” BS. That is hardball writing to induce fear, loathing, and unbalanced reactions. Here, look:

[Quote]Some are calling the advent of GEOs a threat comparable to, or even worse than, nuclear radiation.[/Quote]

Seriously? GMO’s, which in the worst case may get a few people with very specific and rare allergies to get sick or die, is worse than nuclear radiation which in the worst case could end 95% of life on this planet? REALLY?????

or [Quote]… along with irradiated foods and those grown with reprocessed human sewer sludge.[/quote]

That wouldnt be manure would it, just from you and not a cow? What do you think happens to your feces when you flush? The ‘reprocessing’ part is to kill any bacteria or virus that may be dangerous. Perish the thought that the natural life cycle which we always think of as so ‘clean’ may actually include your bowel movements from last week. Nooooo….. Never. It magically goes away and is never seen again.
(for those of you who love talapia, find out what it eats when farmed. they have a knack of eating what other fish, umm, left behind.)

Piggs are smarter than this, I see them pick it up all the time in political writings. Are we really gonna believe greenpeace or an orginization called the ‘Alliance for bio integrity’ is the worlds expert on food production? More so than the FDA or the European equivants? Why? Cause they write scarry articles while the FDA is from the government and is therefore corrupt and stupid? Anyone who works with FDA requirments daily, as I do, knows they are not stupid and can’t be bought (easily), otherwise big pharma would never have another drug fail.

2) This seems really old. Maybe it is just an old article from the old “GMO” wars of the late 1990’s but notice how all the studies and polls are from 1990-1998. Have we learned nothing in the decade since then? I know that isnt true, so where is the newer data? If you are gonna take this challenge, please bring it (as a scientist I would actually love to see something to prove my position wrong, its fun) from a repetuable source. FDA, Science mag, USDA, etc. not “people with communication degrees hating on stuff we dont really understand cause it is scarry”.com

3) The few studies I noticed the article referencing (I just skimmed alot of it) were ‘preliminary’ and just ‘elevated’. Is that stastically elevated to a worrysome level, or just higher than? I have a feeling that since they didnt mention it, that is ‘just higher’ which is a much less compelling argument, especially since I know that preliminary studies are wrong ALL THE TIME. That is why they are preliminary.
Also, their references of scientific results are poor, at best.
If you are wondering what I am talking about look here:
[quote]Genes do not get transferred only among bacteria, as most scientists believe, or want the public to believe, says Dr. Ho. [/quote]

AS MOST SCIENTISTS BELIEVE. HUH? Publish your work and scientists will agree with you. That is if your work is worth anything. Scientist as a whole love new information. That second part about ‘or want…’ is the relm of crackpots and fear mongers. I am not saying this doesnt happen or cant happen or whatever, I am saying that scientists tend to trust the data, and not wildeyed ‘beliefs’ that we hold to like religion.

As for bacterial resistance to anti-biotics, you are far more responsible for anti-biotic resistance than food. Everytime you take anti-biotics just cause you have a cold you place a selective pressure on them to adapt. Or all the ‘anti-biotic’ soaps and such, which people generally dont use correctly. Did you know you need to let any soap sit on your hands for atleast 10-15 seconds to be effective? If you use Medical grade stuff, it is closer to a minute. Most people just soap and rinse in a second or two. If our goal is to protect our arsinal of anti-biotics from overuse, lets start with the big ones. This is small stuff.

Look, If you read this far down my post without starting your own post to jump down my throat for defending “frankenfoods” understand my argument here. These foods are feeding a growing and wealthier world in a way that ‘natural’ foods just can’t. We need proper regulation, informed consumers, and good science to determine what is proper to put into the food supply, and what isnt. We also need to realize that as with whatever humans do, it wont be perfect. Caution and prudence are virtures here, but are we really suppose to not have new and better food sources cause some people worry, with scant evidence, that they MAY have problems? Talk about sticking your head in the sand.

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All I know is that we can’t even modify software without introducing bugs. And software runs on machines that humans themselves designed! For any machine on the planet there are people that understand it completely. 100%.

With genetic engineering, we are in essence modifying software. The big difference is that the “machine” the software runs on is either the product of tens of millions of years of evolution or God (take your pick, it doesn’t really matter here) and NO ONE understands completely how it works. Yes we know the basic structure of DNA, yes we know how it is used to produce proteins in the cell, and we are learning more every day. However our knowledge is far from complete.

And the way that new genes into are introduced into organisms with GM technology is very crude. There is no telling what other genes are coming along for the ride or what their effects might be.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for genetic engineering. I just think it should be done the way our ancestors have been doing it for oh, the last 10,000 years or so. Selective breeding allows the biological “machines” to work the way they’re designed, and genes get combined through the miracle of sexual reproduction, not the crude blast of a gene gun. Without good old fashioned genetic engineering via selective breeding, none of our modern foods or domesticated animal breeds would exist. Of course selective breeding can’t be patented and it works slowly, so it is of no use to Big Ag.

[blahblahblah]

All I know is that we can’t even modify software without introducing bugs. And software runs on machines that humans themselves designed! For any machine on the planet there are people that understand it completely. 100%.

With genetic engineering, we are in essence modifying software. The big difference is that the “machine” the software runs on is either the product of tens of millions of years of evolution or God (take your pick, it doesn’t really matter here) and NO ONE understands completely how it works. Yes we know the basic structure of DNA, yes we know how it is used to produce proteins in the cell, and we are learning more every day. However our knowledge is far from complete.

And the way that new genes into are introduced into organisms with GM technology is very crude. There is no telling what other genes are coming along for the ride or what their effects might be.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for genetic engineering. I just think it should be done the way our ancestors have been doing it for oh, the last 10,000 years or so. Selective breeding allows the biological “machines” to work the way they’re designed, and genes get combined through the miracle of sexual reproduction, not the crude blast of a gene gun. Without good old fashioned genetic engineering via selective breeding, none of our modern foods or domesticated animal breeds would exist. Of course selective breeding can’t be patented and it works slowly, so it is of no use to Big Ag.

[blahblahblah]

All I know is that we can’t even modify software without introducing bugs. And software runs on machines that humans themselves designed! For any machine on the planet there are people that understand it completely. 100%.

With genetic engineering, we are in essence modifying software. The big difference is that the “machine” the software runs on is either the product of tens of millions of years of evolution or God (take your pick, it doesn’t really matter here) and NO ONE understands completely how it works. Yes we know the basic structure of DNA, yes we know how it is used to produce proteins in the cell, and we are learning more every day. However our knowledge is far from complete.

And the way that new genes into are introduced into organisms with GM technology is very crude. There is no telling what other genes are coming along for the ride or what their effects might be.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for genetic engineering. I just think it should be done the way our ancestors have been doing it for oh, the last 10,000 years or so. Selective breeding allows the biological “machines” to work the way they’re designed, and genes get combined through the miracle of sexual reproduction, not the crude blast of a gene gun. Without good old fashioned genetic engineering via selective breeding, none of our modern foods or domesticated animal breeds would exist. Of course selective breeding can’t be patented and it works slowly, so it is of no use to Big Ag.

[blahblahblah]

All I know is that we can’t even modify software without introducing bugs. And software runs on machines that humans themselves designed! For any machine on the planet there are people that understand it completely. 100%.

With genetic engineering, we are in essence modifying software. The big difference is that the “machine” the software runs on is either the product of tens of millions of years of evolution or God (take your pick, it doesn’t really matter here) and NO ONE understands completely how it works. Yes we know the basic structure of DNA, yes we know how it is used to produce proteins in the cell, and we are learning more every day. However our knowledge is far from complete.

And the way that new genes into are introduced into organisms with GM technology is very crude. There is no telling what other genes are coming along for the ride or what their effects might be.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for genetic engineering. I just think it should be done the way our ancestors have been doing it for oh, the last 10,000 years or so. Selective breeding allows the biological “machines” to work the way they’re designed, and genes get combined through the miracle of sexual reproduction, not the crude blast of a gene gun. Without good old fashioned genetic engineering via selective breeding, none of our modern foods or domesticated animal breeds would exist. Of course selective breeding can’t be patented and it works slowly, so it is of no use to Big Ag.

[blahblahblah]

All I know is that we can’t even modify software without introducing bugs. And software runs on machines that humans themselves designed! For any machine on the planet there are people that understand it completely. 100%.

With genetic engineering, we are in essence modifying software. The big difference is that the “machine” the software runs on is either the product of tens of millions of years of evolution or God (take your pick, it doesn’t really matter here) and NO ONE understands completely how it works. Yes we know the basic structure of DNA, yes we know how it is used to produce proteins in the cell, and we are learning more every day. However our knowledge is far from complete.

And the way that new genes into are introduced into organisms with GM technology is very crude. There is no telling what other genes are coming along for the ride or what their effects might be.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for genetic engineering. I just think it should be done the way our ancestors have been doing it for oh, the last 10,000 years or so. Selective breeding allows the biological “machines” to work the way they’re designed, and genes get combined through the miracle of sexual reproduction, not the crude blast of a gene gun. Without good old fashioned genetic engineering via selective breeding, none of our modern foods or domesticated animal breeds would exist. Of course selective breeding can’t be patented and it works slowly, so it is of no use to Big Ag.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CONCHO]Margaret Atwood wrote a good SF book about where we might end up as a result of all of this genetic engineering — Oryx and Crake. It’s not a happy story.[/quote]

CONCHO: Well, at least its more upbeat than her other dystopian work, “The Handmaid’s Tale”.

“Oryx” was a good book.[/quote]

What recomended books, fiction or science fiction, are predicting more constructive results from genetic engineering?

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CONCHO]Margaret Atwood wrote a good SF book about where we might end up as a result of all of this genetic engineering — Oryx and Crake. It’s not a happy story.[/quote]

CONCHO: Well, at least its more upbeat than her other dystopian work, “The Handmaid’s Tale”.

“Oryx” was a good book.[/quote]

What recomended books, fiction or science fiction, are predicting more constructive results from genetic engineering?

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CONCHO]Margaret Atwood wrote a good SF book about where we might end up as a result of all of this genetic engineering — Oryx and Crake. It’s not a happy story.[/quote]

CONCHO: Well, at least its more upbeat than her other dystopian work, “The Handmaid’s Tale”.

“Oryx” was a good book.[/quote]

What recomended books, fiction or science fiction, are predicting more constructive results from genetic engineering?

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CONCHO]Margaret Atwood wrote a good SF book about where we might end up as a result of all of this genetic engineering — Oryx and Crake. It’s not a happy story.[/quote]

CONCHO: Well, at least its more upbeat than her other dystopian work, “The Handmaid’s Tale”.

“Oryx” was a good book.[/quote]

What recomended books, fiction or science fiction, are predicting more constructive results from genetic engineering?

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CONCHO]Margaret Atwood wrote a good SF book about where we might end up as a result of all of this genetic engineering — Oryx and Crake. It’s not a happy story.[/quote]

CONCHO: Well, at least its more upbeat than her other dystopian work, “The Handmaid’s Tale”.

“Oryx” was a good book.[/quote]

What recomended books, fiction or science fiction, are predicting more constructive results from genetic engineering?

[Anonymous]

DWCAP is right on. Fear mongering is loathsome. Foods have been altered for many years. Cross pollination is gene manipulation. Look at the variety of apples we have today. Scientists should work on certain foods and of course test them extensively but like the kooks in Africa that said “no to the genetically altered corn” a few years ago, stop. You want to stop the delivery of some corn to feed starving people in Africa??? Really? And they did…So the scientist made some corn that can grow in a more arid climate. Great maybe they can start growing it in Africa. I remember the big fear of the salmon industry that a genetically “freak” salmon would get into the ocean and spawn with the other salmon and kill the breed off. Now don’t you think the scientist would test for those sorts of things? Na! It’s the government and they hide UFO’s from us and are trying to kill us all. Arrrrggg!!! Sorry for the sarcasm but don’t be a sheeple!

[Anonymous]

DWCAP is right on. Fear mongering is loathsome. Foods have been altered for many years. Cross pollination is gene manipulation. Look at the variety of apples we have today. Scientists should work on certain foods and of course test them extensively but like the kooks in Africa that said “no to the genetically altered corn” a few years ago, stop. You want to stop the delivery of some corn to feed starving people in Africa??? Really? And they did…So the scientist made some corn that can grow in a more arid climate. Great maybe they can start growing it in Africa. I remember the big fear of the salmon industry that a genetically “freak” salmon would get into the ocean and spawn with the other salmon and kill the breed off. Now don’t you think the scientist would test for those sorts of things? Na! It’s the government and they hide UFO’s from us and are trying to kill us all. Arrrrggg!!! Sorry for the sarcasm but don’t be a sheeple!

[Anonymous]

DWCAP is right on. Fear mongering is loathsome. Foods have been altered for many years. Cross pollination is gene manipulation. Look at the variety of apples we have today. Scientists should work on certain foods and of course test them extensively but like the kooks in Africa that said “no to the genetically altered corn” a few years ago, stop. You want to stop the delivery of some corn to feed starving people in Africa??? Really? And they did…So the scientist made some corn that can grow in a more arid climate. Great maybe they can start growing it in Africa. I remember the big fear of the salmon industry that a genetically “freak” salmon would get into the ocean and spawn with the other salmon and kill the breed off. Now don’t you think the scientist would test for those sorts of things? Na! It’s the government and they hide UFO’s from us and are trying to kill us all. Arrrrggg!!! Sorry for the sarcasm but don’t be a sheeple!

[Anonymous]

DWCAP is right on. Fear mongering is loathsome. Foods have been altered for many years. Cross pollination is gene manipulation. Look at the variety of apples we have today. Scientists should work on certain foods and of course test them extensively but like the kooks in Africa that said “no to the genetically altered corn” a few years ago, stop. You want to stop the delivery of some corn to feed starving people in Africa??? Really? And they did…So the scientist made some corn that can grow in a more arid climate. Great maybe they can start growing it in Africa. I remember the big fear of the salmon industry that a genetically “freak” salmon would get into the ocean and spawn with the other salmon and kill the breed off. Now don’t you think the scientist would test for those sorts of things? Na! It’s the government and they hide UFO’s from us and are trying to kill us all. Arrrrggg!!! Sorry for the sarcasm but don’t be a sheeple!

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