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  • March 24, 2011 at 3:24 PM #681671
    NotCranky
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    ZK, I meant that, I did not use personal anectdotal stories to draw conclusions in the debate on genetics. I disagreed with the “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers” and that is what I found interestingly in agreement with Mr.Peele,and some others.He does show that there have been many false starts and stops with genetic connections to alcoholism. Obviously, whoever he is kicking around doesn’t bother me as much as it does you.

    My case is that these findings you linked have to stand the test of time. If you think they will then good.

    You are right that many scientists are not also business men and women. I am getting sloppy with color commentary that is not useful. Just saying, let their work stand the test of time.

    March 24, 2011 at 4:31 PM #680518
    zk
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    [quote=Rustico] I disagreed with the “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers” and that is what I found interestingly in agreement with Mr.Peele,[/quote]

    I don’t think the model is “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers.” I think it’s more, “alcoholics (which is different from problem drinkers) must abstain or continue to drink to excess. But I’m not convinced about that model, either.

    March 24, 2011 at 4:31 PM #680570
    zk
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    [quote=Rustico] I disagreed with the “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers” and that is what I found interestingly in agreement with Mr.Peele,[/quote]

    I don’t think the model is “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers.” I think it’s more, “alcoholics (which is different from problem drinkers) must abstain or continue to drink to excess. But I’m not convinced about that model, either.

    March 24, 2011 at 4:31 PM #681186
    zk
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    [quote=Rustico] I disagreed with the “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers” and that is what I found interestingly in agreement with Mr.Peele,[/quote]

    I don’t think the model is “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers.” I think it’s more, “alcoholics (which is different from problem drinkers) must abstain or continue to drink to excess. But I’m not convinced about that model, either.

    March 24, 2011 at 4:31 PM #681324
    zk
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    [quote=Rustico] I disagreed with the “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers” and that is what I found interestingly in agreement with Mr.Peele,[/quote]

    I don’t think the model is “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers.” I think it’s more, “alcoholics (which is different from problem drinkers) must abstain or continue to drink to excess. But I’m not convinced about that model, either.

    March 24, 2011 at 4:31 PM #681676
    zk
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    [quote=Rustico] I disagreed with the “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers” and that is what I found interestingly in agreement with Mr.Peele,[/quote]

    I don’t think the model is “stay abstinent or die model for problem drinkers.” I think it’s more, “alcoholics (which is different from problem drinkers) must abstain or continue to drink to excess. But I’m not convinced about that model, either.

    March 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM #680533
    ocrenter
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    [quote=Rustico]OCR, What is the highest occurrence of multi-factorial disease that is not alcoholism?[/quote]

    most diseases out there are multi-factorial. it is extremely rare to have a disease coming from a specific cause or specific genetic mutation.

    March 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM #680587
    ocrenter
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    [quote=Rustico]OCR, What is the highest occurrence of multi-factorial disease that is not alcoholism?[/quote]

    most diseases out there are multi-factorial. it is extremely rare to have a disease coming from a specific cause or specific genetic mutation.

    March 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM #681204
    ocrenter
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    [quote=Rustico]OCR, What is the highest occurrence of multi-factorial disease that is not alcoholism?[/quote]

    most diseases out there are multi-factorial. it is extremely rare to have a disease coming from a specific cause or specific genetic mutation.

    March 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM #681342
    ocrenter
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    [quote=Rustico]OCR, What is the highest occurrence of multi-factorial disease that is not alcoholism?[/quote]

    most diseases out there are multi-factorial. it is extremely rare to have a disease coming from a specific cause or specific genetic mutation.

    March 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM #681693
    ocrenter
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    [quote=Rustico]OCR, What is the highest occurrence of multi-factorial disease that is not alcoholism?[/quote]

    most diseases out there are multi-factorial. it is extremely rare to have a disease coming from a specific cause or specific genetic mutation.

    March 24, 2011 at 6:26 PM #680548
    NotCranky
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    [quote=ocrenter][quote=Rustico]OCR, What is the highest occurrence of multi-factorial disease that is not alcoholism?[/quote]

    most diseases out there are multi-factorial. it is extremely rare to have a disease coming from a specific cause or specific genetic mutation.[/quote]

    Playing devils advocate and fishing for the for the frequency of other “multi-factorial” diseases in families. The occurrence is extremely high for combination of alcoholics, chain smoking, drug addicts, eating disorders etc. in the same family. We see things like cleft pallate occuring but much less frequently. We even see entire sibling groups as serious alcoholics pretty often. I am not sure but, I don’t think even asthma afflicts whole families nearly as often as these substance problems? What is the explanation?

    March 24, 2011 at 6:26 PM #680602
    NotCranky
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    [quote=ocrenter][quote=Rustico]OCR, What is the highest occurrence of multi-factorial disease that is not alcoholism?[/quote]

    most diseases out there are multi-factorial. it is extremely rare to have a disease coming from a specific cause or specific genetic mutation.[/quote]

    Playing devils advocate and fishing for the for the frequency of other “multi-factorial” diseases in families. The occurrence is extremely high for combination of alcoholics, chain smoking, drug addicts, eating disorders etc. in the same family. We see things like cleft pallate occuring but much less frequently. We even see entire sibling groups as serious alcoholics pretty often. I am not sure but, I don’t think even asthma afflicts whole families nearly as often as these substance problems? What is the explanation?

    March 24, 2011 at 6:26 PM #681219
    NotCranky
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    [quote=ocrenter][quote=Rustico]OCR, What is the highest occurrence of multi-factorial disease that is not alcoholism?[/quote]

    most diseases out there are multi-factorial. it is extremely rare to have a disease coming from a specific cause or specific genetic mutation.[/quote]

    Playing devils advocate and fishing for the for the frequency of other “multi-factorial” diseases in families. The occurrence is extremely high for combination of alcoholics, chain smoking, drug addicts, eating disorders etc. in the same family. We see things like cleft pallate occuring but much less frequently. We even see entire sibling groups as serious alcoholics pretty often. I am not sure but, I don’t think even asthma afflicts whole families nearly as often as these substance problems? What is the explanation?

    March 24, 2011 at 6:26 PM #681357
    NotCranky
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    [quote=ocrenter][quote=Rustico]OCR, What is the highest occurrence of multi-factorial disease that is not alcoholism?[/quote]

    most diseases out there are multi-factorial. it is extremely rare to have a disease coming from a specific cause or specific genetic mutation.[/quote]

    Playing devils advocate and fishing for the for the frequency of other “multi-factorial” diseases in families. The occurrence is extremely high for combination of alcoholics, chain smoking, drug addicts, eating disorders etc. in the same family. We see things like cleft pallate occuring but much less frequently. We even see entire sibling groups as serious alcoholics pretty often. I am not sure but, I don’t think even asthma afflicts whole families nearly as often as these substance problems? What is the explanation?

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