OT – Alcoholism and Addiction

[NotCranky]

The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.[/quote]

You’re taking his biased word for all that. You’re taking his word that he hasn’t been wrong and you’re taking his word that the “alcoholism movement” has been wrong over and over. He takes quotes from individuals and ascribes them to the “alcoholism movement” and then says the “movement” is/was wrong. He cherry picks and exaggerates and distorts and presents a completely one-sided and utterly false picture.

It’s clearly nothing but a sales pitch, and I’m really not sure how any reasonable person can read his stuff and not see the obvious and unsubtle distortions and deceptions. But he sells a lot of books, so you’re not alone, Rustico.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.[/quote]

You’re taking his biased word for all that. You’re taking his word that he hasn’t been wrong and you’re taking his word that the “alcoholism movement” has been wrong over and over. He takes quotes from individuals and ascribes them to the “alcoholism movement” and then says the “movement” is/was wrong. He cherry picks and exaggerates and distorts and presents a completely one-sided and utterly false picture.

It’s clearly nothing but a sales pitch, and I’m really not sure how any reasonable person can read his stuff and not see the obvious and unsubtle distortions and deceptions. But he sells a lot of books, so you’re not alone, Rustico.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.[/quote]

You’re taking his biased word for all that. You’re taking his word that he hasn’t been wrong and you’re taking his word that the “alcoholism movement” has been wrong over and over. He takes quotes from individuals and ascribes them to the “alcoholism movement” and then says the “movement” is/was wrong. He cherry picks and exaggerates and distorts and presents a completely one-sided and utterly false picture.

It’s clearly nothing but a sales pitch, and I’m really not sure how any reasonable person can read his stuff and not see the obvious and unsubtle distortions and deceptions. But he sells a lot of books, so you’re not alone, Rustico.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.[/quote]

You’re taking his biased word for all that. You’re taking his word that he hasn’t been wrong and you’re taking his word that the “alcoholism movement” has been wrong over and over. He takes quotes from individuals and ascribes them to the “alcoholism movement” and then says the “movement” is/was wrong. He cherry picks and exaggerates and distorts and presents a completely one-sided and utterly false picture.

It’s clearly nothing but a sales pitch, and I’m really not sure how any reasonable person can read his stuff and not see the obvious and unsubtle distortions and deceptions. But he sells a lot of books, so you’re not alone, Rustico.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.[/quote]

You’re taking his biased word for all that. You’re taking his word that he hasn’t been wrong and you’re taking his word that the “alcoholism movement” has been wrong over and over. He takes quotes from individuals and ascribes them to the “alcoholism movement” and then says the “movement” is/was wrong. He cherry picks and exaggerates and distorts and presents a completely one-sided and utterly false picture.

It’s clearly nothing but a sales pitch, and I’m really not sure how any reasonable person can read his stuff and not see the obvious and unsubtle distortions and deceptions. But he sells a lot of books, so you’re not alone, Rustico.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.[/quote]

A little humor, there, I guess.

But I do agree that liver enzymes have nothing to do with alcoholism. Alcoholism is a mental illness, not a physical one.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.[/quote]

A little humor, there, I guess.

But I do agree that liver enzymes have nothing to do with alcoholism. Alcoholism is a mental illness, not a physical one.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.[/quote]

A little humor, there, I guess.

But I do agree that liver enzymes have nothing to do with alcoholism. Alcoholism is a mental illness, not a physical one.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.[/quote]

A little humor, there, I guess.

But I do agree that liver enzymes have nothing to do with alcoholism. Alcoholism is a mental illness, not a physical one.

[zk]

[quote=Rustico]The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.[/quote]

A little humor, there, I guess.

But I do agree that liver enzymes have nothing to do with alcoholism. Alcoholism is a mental illness, not a physical one.

[ocrenter]

all very good and well thought-out comments. we are ultimately back at nature vs nurture. of course, the debate will never end because this is a multi-factorial problem, meaning we simply will not have a single solution for every alcoholics out there.

brian, get your friend to a psychiatrist specializing in chemical dependency. how to get him there will of course be the toughest part.

here’s a good read on the subject:

http://courses.missouristate.edu/ChrisBarnhart/bio121/readings/drunk_monkeys/drunk_monkeys_files/featdrunk.htm

[ocrenter]

all very good and well thought-out comments. we are ultimately back at nature vs nurture. of course, the debate will never end because this is a multi-factorial problem, meaning we simply will not have a single solution for every alcoholics out there.

brian, get your friend to a psychiatrist specializing in chemical dependency. how to get him there will of course be the toughest part.

here’s a good read on the subject:

http://courses.missouristate.edu/ChrisBarnhart/bio121/readings/drunk_monkeys/drunk_monkeys_files/featdrunk.htm

[ocrenter]

all very good and well thought-out comments. we are ultimately back at nature vs nurture. of course, the debate will never end because this is a multi-factorial problem, meaning we simply will not have a single solution for every alcoholics out there.

brian, get your friend to a psychiatrist specializing in chemical dependency. how to get him there will of course be the toughest part.

here’s a good read on the subject:

http://courses.missouristate.edu/ChrisBarnhart/bio121/readings/drunk_monkeys/drunk_monkeys_files/featdrunk.htm

[ocrenter]

all very good and well thought-out comments. we are ultimately back at nature vs nurture. of course, the debate will never end because this is a multi-factorial problem, meaning we simply will not have a single solution for every alcoholics out there.

brian, get your friend to a psychiatrist specializing in chemical dependency. how to get him there will of course be the toughest part.

here’s a good read on the subject:

http://courses.missouristate.edu/ChrisBarnhart/bio121/readings/drunk_monkeys/drunk_monkeys_files/featdrunk.htm

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