OT – Alcoholism and Addiction

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[quote=walterwhite]Ok I’m willing to be evaluated.[/quote]

thank you ww! Running the tests is a no-lose situation: if they come back good, you can have peace of mind. if they come back bad, you can cut back until you’re out of the danger zone.

And i’m not saying everyone who drinks 3 glasses of wine will have problems. My gorgeous wife matched me glass for glass and her tests came back great, even though she’s only 2/3 my size. She’s cut back to 1 glass/night to support me.

[NotCranky]

[quote=zk][quote=Rustico]O.K. ZK,

Here is my link, http://www.peele.net/faq/p3waves.html

You can read for days if you put “genetics” into the site search feature.

A lot of the points made on this thread are developed in the various archived articles.[/quote]

Basically your whole argument is this one link to this one nut’s website? Very disappointing. Here’s a guy who’s obviously got a serious bias and who will twist anything around to fit his views and sell his books.

From his website:

———————————————-
The core beliefs that the alcoholism movement has successfully promulgated are:

Alcoholics don’t drink too much because they intend to, but only because they can’t control their drinking.
Alcoholics inherit their alcoholism and thus are born as alcoholics.
Alcoholism always grow worse without treatment, so that alcoholics can never cut back or quit on their own.
Alcoholism as a disease can strike any individual—it is an “equal-opportunity destroyer”—and respects no social, religious, ethnic or sexual bounds.
Treatment based on AA principles is the only effective treatment for alcoholism—in the words of one proponent, a modern medical “miracle”—without which no one can hope to arrest a drinking problem.
Those who reject the AA approach for their drinking problems, or observers who contradict any of the contentions about alcoholism listed here, are practicing a special denial that means death for alcoholics.
—————————————–

His contention, which shows up throughout his writing, is that the “alcoholism movement,” whatever that is, says that alcoholism is completely determined by genetics, and that from the moment an alcoholic is born, he is fated to become an alcoholic. And he sets up that straw man and knocks it down. Pathetic.

I typed “genetics” in the site’s search engine. I could read for days, but it’s all written by the same biased person. The same Mr. Peele. Mr. Peele, who is trying (with some success, apparently) to sell books.

Reading that clown’s website and coming to any conclusion at all about alcoholism is like watching Fox “News” and coming to a conclusion about republicans or democrats.

Really, Rustico, move beyond Mr. Peele’s book selling malarkey, read some serious research, think for yourself, look closely to see if you don’t share nutjob’s biases, and see if you can’t get a fresh perspective on the issue.[/quote]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.

[NotCranky]

[quote=zk][quote=Rustico]O.K. ZK,

Here is my link, http://www.peele.net/faq/p3waves.html

You can read for days if you put “genetics” into the site search feature.

A lot of the points made on this thread are developed in the various archived articles.[/quote]

Basically your whole argument is this one link to this one nut’s website? Very disappointing. Here’s a guy who’s obviously got a serious bias and who will twist anything around to fit his views and sell his books.

From his website:

———————————————-
The core beliefs that the alcoholism movement has successfully promulgated are:

Alcoholics don’t drink too much because they intend to, but only because they can’t control their drinking.
Alcoholics inherit their alcoholism and thus are born as alcoholics.
Alcoholism always grow worse without treatment, so that alcoholics can never cut back or quit on their own.
Alcoholism as a disease can strike any individual—it is an “equal-opportunity destroyer”—and respects no social, religious, ethnic or sexual bounds.
Treatment based on AA principles is the only effective treatment for alcoholism—in the words of one proponent, a modern medical “miracle”—without which no one can hope to arrest a drinking problem.
Those who reject the AA approach for their drinking problems, or observers who contradict any of the contentions about alcoholism listed here, are practicing a special denial that means death for alcoholics.
—————————————–

His contention, which shows up throughout his writing, is that the “alcoholism movement,” whatever that is, says that alcoholism is completely determined by genetics, and that from the moment an alcoholic is born, he is fated to become an alcoholic. And he sets up that straw man and knocks it down. Pathetic.

I typed “genetics” in the site’s search engine. I could read for days, but it’s all written by the same biased person. The same Mr. Peele. Mr. Peele, who is trying (with some success, apparently) to sell books.

Reading that clown’s website and coming to any conclusion at all about alcoholism is like watching Fox “News” and coming to a conclusion about republicans or democrats.

Really, Rustico, move beyond Mr. Peele’s book selling malarkey, read some serious research, think for yourself, look closely to see if you don’t share nutjob’s biases, and see if you can’t get a fresh perspective on the issue.[/quote]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.

[NotCranky]

[quote=zk][quote=Rustico]O.K. ZK,

Here is my link, http://www.peele.net/faq/p3waves.html

You can read for days if you put “genetics” into the site search feature.

A lot of the points made on this thread are developed in the various archived articles.[/quote]

Basically your whole argument is this one link to this one nut’s website? Very disappointing. Here’s a guy who’s obviously got a serious bias and who will twist anything around to fit his views and sell his books.

From his website:

———————————————-
The core beliefs that the alcoholism movement has successfully promulgated are:

Alcoholics don’t drink too much because they intend to, but only because they can’t control their drinking.
Alcoholics inherit their alcoholism and thus are born as alcoholics.
Alcoholism always grow worse without treatment, so that alcoholics can never cut back or quit on their own.
Alcoholism as a disease can strike any individual—it is an “equal-opportunity destroyer”—and respects no social, religious, ethnic or sexual bounds.
Treatment based on AA principles is the only effective treatment for alcoholism—in the words of one proponent, a modern medical “miracle”—without which no one can hope to arrest a drinking problem.
Those who reject the AA approach for their drinking problems, or observers who contradict any of the contentions about alcoholism listed here, are practicing a special denial that means death for alcoholics.
—————————————–

His contention, which shows up throughout his writing, is that the “alcoholism movement,” whatever that is, says that alcoholism is completely determined by genetics, and that from the moment an alcoholic is born, he is fated to become an alcoholic. And he sets up that straw man and knocks it down. Pathetic.

I typed “genetics” in the site’s search engine. I could read for days, but it’s all written by the same biased person. The same Mr. Peele. Mr. Peele, who is trying (with some success, apparently) to sell books.

Reading that clown’s website and coming to any conclusion at all about alcoholism is like watching Fox “News” and coming to a conclusion about republicans or democrats.

Really, Rustico, move beyond Mr. Peele’s book selling malarkey, read some serious research, think for yourself, look closely to see if you don’t share nutjob’s biases, and see if you can’t get a fresh perspective on the issue.[/quote]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.

[NotCranky]

[quote=zk][quote=Rustico]O.K. ZK,

Here is my link, http://www.peele.net/faq/p3waves.html

You can read for days if you put “genetics” into the site search feature.

A lot of the points made on this thread are developed in the various archived articles.[/quote]

Basically your whole argument is this one link to this one nut’s website? Very disappointing. Here’s a guy who’s obviously got a serious bias and who will twist anything around to fit his views and sell his books.

From his website:

———————————————-
The core beliefs that the alcoholism movement has successfully promulgated are:

Alcoholics don’t drink too much because they intend to, but only because they can’t control their drinking.
Alcoholics inherit their alcoholism and thus are born as alcoholics.
Alcoholism always grow worse without treatment, so that alcoholics can never cut back or quit on their own.
Alcoholism as a disease can strike any individual—it is an “equal-opportunity destroyer”—and respects no social, religious, ethnic or sexual bounds.
Treatment based on AA principles is the only effective treatment for alcoholism—in the words of one proponent, a modern medical “miracle”—without which no one can hope to arrest a drinking problem.
Those who reject the AA approach for their drinking problems, or observers who contradict any of the contentions about alcoholism listed here, are practicing a special denial that means death for alcoholics.
—————————————–

His contention, which shows up throughout his writing, is that the “alcoholism movement,” whatever that is, says that alcoholism is completely determined by genetics, and that from the moment an alcoholic is born, he is fated to become an alcoholic. And he sets up that straw man and knocks it down. Pathetic.

I typed “genetics” in the site’s search engine. I could read for days, but it’s all written by the same biased person. The same Mr. Peele. Mr. Peele, who is trying (with some success, apparently) to sell books.

Reading that clown’s website and coming to any conclusion at all about alcoholism is like watching Fox “News” and coming to a conclusion about republicans or democrats.

Really, Rustico, move beyond Mr. Peele’s book selling malarkey, read some serious research, think for yourself, look closely to see if you don’t share nutjob’s biases, and see if you can’t get a fresh perspective on the issue.[/quote]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.

[NotCranky]

[quote=zk][quote=Rustico]O.K. ZK,

Here is my link, http://www.peele.net/faq/p3waves.html

You can read for days if you put “genetics” into the site search feature.

A lot of the points made on this thread are developed in the various archived articles.[/quote]

Basically your whole argument is this one link to this one nut’s website? Very disappointing. Here’s a guy who’s obviously got a serious bias and who will twist anything around to fit his views and sell his books.

From his website:

———————————————-
The core beliefs that the alcoholism movement has successfully promulgated are:

Alcoholics don’t drink too much because they intend to, but only because they can’t control their drinking.
Alcoholics inherit their alcoholism and thus are born as alcoholics.
Alcoholism always grow worse without treatment, so that alcoholics can never cut back or quit on their own.
Alcoholism as a disease can strike any individual—it is an “equal-opportunity destroyer”—and respects no social, religious, ethnic or sexual bounds.
Treatment based on AA principles is the only effective treatment for alcoholism—in the words of one proponent, a modern medical “miracle”—without which no one can hope to arrest a drinking problem.
Those who reject the AA approach for their drinking problems, or observers who contradict any of the contentions about alcoholism listed here, are practicing a special denial that means death for alcoholics.
—————————————–

His contention, which shows up throughout his writing, is that the “alcoholism movement,” whatever that is, says that alcoholism is completely determined by genetics, and that from the moment an alcoholic is born, he is fated to become an alcoholic. And he sets up that straw man and knocks it down. Pathetic.

I typed “genetics” in the site’s search engine. I could read for days, but it’s all written by the same biased person. The same Mr. Peele. Mr. Peele, who is trying (with some success, apparently) to sell books.

Reading that clown’s website and coming to any conclusion at all about alcoholism is like watching Fox “News” and coming to a conclusion about republicans or democrats.

Really, Rustico, move beyond Mr. Peele’s book selling malarkey, read some serious research, think for yourself, look closely to see if you don’t share nutjob’s biases, and see if you can’t get a fresh perspective on the issue.[/quote]
Yes he has a bias,but he hasn’t been wrong over and over and over.

[jpinpb]

I think the thing that makes a lot of sense to me is that your liver processes the alcohol. So if alcoholics lack this particular enzyme that allows it to process alcohol like non-alcoholics, that seems compelling to me. Again, that’s not to say they have carte blanche to go on drinking sprees for the rest of their lives. Just means they will have a more difficult time not drinking than others. Not impossible. Just more effort. It will take more will-power than someone who does not have this issue, I suppose.

[jpinpb]

I think the thing that makes a lot of sense to me is that your liver processes the alcohol. So if alcoholics lack this particular enzyme that allows it to process alcohol like non-alcoholics, that seems compelling to me. Again, that’s not to say they have carte blanche to go on drinking sprees for the rest of their lives. Just means they will have a more difficult time not drinking than others. Not impossible. Just more effort. It will take more will-power than someone who does not have this issue, I suppose.

[jpinpb]

I think the thing that makes a lot of sense to me is that your liver processes the alcohol. So if alcoholics lack this particular enzyme that allows it to process alcohol like non-alcoholics, that seems compelling to me. Again, that’s not to say they have carte blanche to go on drinking sprees for the rest of their lives. Just means they will have a more difficult time not drinking than others. Not impossible. Just more effort. It will take more will-power than someone who does not have this issue, I suppose.

[jpinpb]

I think the thing that makes a lot of sense to me is that your liver processes the alcohol. So if alcoholics lack this particular enzyme that allows it to process alcohol like non-alcoholics, that seems compelling to me. Again, that’s not to say they have carte blanche to go on drinking sprees for the rest of their lives. Just means they will have a more difficult time not drinking than others. Not impossible. Just more effort. It will take more will-power than someone who does not have this issue, I suppose.

[jpinpb]

I think the thing that makes a lot of sense to me is that your liver processes the alcohol. So if alcoholics lack this particular enzyme that allows it to process alcohol like non-alcoholics, that seems compelling to me. Again, that’s not to say they have carte blanche to go on drinking sprees for the rest of their lives. Just means they will have a more difficult time not drinking than others. Not impossible. Just more effort. It will take more will-power than someone who does not have this issue, I suppose.

[NotCranky]

The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.

[NotCranky]

The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.

[NotCranky]

The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.

[NotCranky]

The enzyme thing has been debunked,JP. Ask ZK, I think he agrees with Mr. Peele on a lot of commonly accepted myths like this.

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