OT: Obama is Conservative

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: Not trying to appear as though I am piling on, but I was curious as to your answers to my earlier questions.

This is starting to fall into something of a partisan rut, and I don’t want to see that happen.

I would also be interested in what you think “American Realism” is when it comes to foreign policy. I honestly will profess to not having a clue what the hell that phrase means. Is it a “balance of power” strategy, is it a return to Kissingerian “Realpolitik”? For all I can tell, it portends a return to Bismarck and his “Weltpolitik” strategy.

Zakaria is very coy in describing any of Obama’s position in any detail. My suspicion is that he would have a hard time doing so, because Obama doesn’t have a fully featured foreign policy program. So, when you speak of a return to “American Realism”, I would be curious as to what we are returning to and a description as to what it is.

[Veritas]

Allan-

I think he is still working on it. Why not ask gandalf what he would do with Palestine while you have him on the hot seat? I believe the rest of Islam wants Palestine to remain as it is, to serve as a rallying point to call for the destruction of Israel and as a breeding ground for future terrorists. What say you?

[Veritas]

Allan-

I think he is still working on it. Why not ask gandalf what he would do with Palestine while you have him on the hot seat? I believe the rest of Islam wants Palestine to remain as it is, to serve as a rallying point to call for the destruction of Israel and as a breeding ground for future terrorists. What say you?

[Veritas]

Allan-

I think he is still working on it. Why not ask gandalf what he would do with Palestine while you have him on the hot seat? I believe the rest of Islam wants Palestine to remain as it is, to serve as a rallying point to call for the destruction of Israel and as a breeding ground for future terrorists. What say you?

[Veritas]

Allan-

I think he is still working on it. Why not ask gandalf what he would do with Palestine while you have him on the hot seat? I believe the rest of Islam wants Palestine to remain as it is, to serve as a rallying point to call for the destruction of Israel and as a breeding ground for future terrorists. What say you?

[Veritas]

Allan-

I think he is still working on it. Why not ask gandalf what he would do with Palestine while you have him on the hot seat? I believe the rest of Islam wants Palestine to remain as it is, to serve as a rallying point to call for the destruction of Israel and as a breeding ground for future terrorists. What say you?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Veritas: I agree with you. I have said before that Oslo ’93 was very telling in terms of how serious both the Palestinians (as spoken for by Yasir Arafat) and the rest of the Arab world were when it came to a Palestinian homeland. Given their response to nearly complete accession by the Israelis, it was very telling to see how little real interest there was in creating this homeland and allowing the Palestinians to make their own way.

Also, how is it that Arafat died a billionaire? Seriously. The Saudis and other Arab states pumped billions into his various bank accounts and yet nearly none of it was ever transformed into schools, hospitals or housing for the Palestinians. Instead, it was used to further the terrorist aims of the PLO and PFLP.

So, yes, I would agree with your comment that Palestine is far more useful as a rallying point against the US, Israelis and the West, then as a homeland for the Palestinians. The criminal ineptitude, corruption and incompetence of the Palestinian Authority shows how, even after Arafat has left the scene, they are only interested in perpetuating “business as usual”, even when it comes to victimizing their own people.

Then again, self awareness was never a big part of the “Arab Street”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Veritas: I agree with you. I have said before that Oslo ’93 was very telling in terms of how serious both the Palestinians (as spoken for by Yasir Arafat) and the rest of the Arab world were when it came to a Palestinian homeland. Given their response to nearly complete accession by the Israelis, it was very telling to see how little real interest there was in creating this homeland and allowing the Palestinians to make their own way.

Also, how is it that Arafat died a billionaire? Seriously. The Saudis and other Arab states pumped billions into his various bank accounts and yet nearly none of it was ever transformed into schools, hospitals or housing for the Palestinians. Instead, it was used to further the terrorist aims of the PLO and PFLP.

So, yes, I would agree with your comment that Palestine is far more useful as a rallying point against the US, Israelis and the West, then as a homeland for the Palestinians. The criminal ineptitude, corruption and incompetence of the Palestinian Authority shows how, even after Arafat has left the scene, they are only interested in perpetuating “business as usual”, even when it comes to victimizing their own people.

Then again, self awareness was never a big part of the “Arab Street”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Veritas: I agree with you. I have said before that Oslo ’93 was very telling in terms of how serious both the Palestinians (as spoken for by Yasir Arafat) and the rest of the Arab world were when it came to a Palestinian homeland. Given their response to nearly complete accession by the Israelis, it was very telling to see how little real interest there was in creating this homeland and allowing the Palestinians to make their own way.

Also, how is it that Arafat died a billionaire? Seriously. The Saudis and other Arab states pumped billions into his various bank accounts and yet nearly none of it was ever transformed into schools, hospitals or housing for the Palestinians. Instead, it was used to further the terrorist aims of the PLO and PFLP.

So, yes, I would agree with your comment that Palestine is far more useful as a rallying point against the US, Israelis and the West, then as a homeland for the Palestinians. The criminal ineptitude, corruption and incompetence of the Palestinian Authority shows how, even after Arafat has left the scene, they are only interested in perpetuating “business as usual”, even when it comes to victimizing their own people.

Then again, self awareness was never a big part of the “Arab Street”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Veritas: I agree with you. I have said before that Oslo ’93 was very telling in terms of how serious both the Palestinians (as spoken for by Yasir Arafat) and the rest of the Arab world were when it came to a Palestinian homeland. Given their response to nearly complete accession by the Israelis, it was very telling to see how little real interest there was in creating this homeland and allowing the Palestinians to make their own way.

Also, how is it that Arafat died a billionaire? Seriously. The Saudis and other Arab states pumped billions into his various bank accounts and yet nearly none of it was ever transformed into schools, hospitals or housing for the Palestinians. Instead, it was used to further the terrorist aims of the PLO and PFLP.

So, yes, I would agree with your comment that Palestine is far more useful as a rallying point against the US, Israelis and the West, then as a homeland for the Palestinians. The criminal ineptitude, corruption and incompetence of the Palestinian Authority shows how, even after Arafat has left the scene, they are only interested in perpetuating “business as usual”, even when it comes to victimizing their own people.

Then again, self awareness was never a big part of the “Arab Street”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Veritas: I agree with you. I have said before that Oslo ’93 was very telling in terms of how serious both the Palestinians (as spoken for by Yasir Arafat) and the rest of the Arab world were when it came to a Palestinian homeland. Given their response to nearly complete accession by the Israelis, it was very telling to see how little real interest there was in creating this homeland and allowing the Palestinians to make their own way.

Also, how is it that Arafat died a billionaire? Seriously. The Saudis and other Arab states pumped billions into his various bank accounts and yet nearly none of it was ever transformed into schools, hospitals or housing for the Palestinians. Instead, it was used to further the terrorist aims of the PLO and PFLP.

So, yes, I would agree with your comment that Palestine is far more useful as a rallying point against the US, Israelis and the West, then as a homeland for the Palestinians. The criminal ineptitude, corruption and incompetence of the Palestinian Authority shows how, even after Arafat has left the scene, they are only interested in perpetuating “business as usual”, even when it comes to victimizing their own people.

Then again, self awareness was never a big part of the “Arab Street”.

[Aecetia]

I agree with both of the above posts and I forgot to mention to Gandalf that we should stop all forms of aid to countries who actively support terrorists who threaten our security either openly or covertly through support of terrorist organizations and that would include cutting off any money to the Saudis. Then of course they would kick us out, but I am sure we could set up some kind of mega base in Israel.

[Aecetia]

I agree with both of the above posts and I forgot to mention to Gandalf that we should stop all forms of aid to countries who actively support terrorists who threaten our security either openly or covertly through support of terrorist organizations and that would include cutting off any money to the Saudis. Then of course they would kick us out, but I am sure we could set up some kind of mega base in Israel.

[Aecetia]

I agree with both of the above posts and I forgot to mention to Gandalf that we should stop all forms of aid to countries who actively support terrorists who threaten our security either openly or covertly through support of terrorist organizations and that would include cutting off any money to the Saudis. Then of course they would kick us out, but I am sure we could set up some kind of mega base in Israel.

[Aecetia]

I agree with both of the above posts and I forgot to mention to Gandalf that we should stop all forms of aid to countries who actively support terrorists who threaten our security either openly or covertly through support of terrorist organizations and that would include cutting off any money to the Saudis. Then of course they would kick us out, but I am sure we could set up some kind of mega base in Israel.

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