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July 20, 2008 at 12:16 PM #243505July 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM #243297
Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantJohn,
I have tremendous respect for McCain and what he went through during his captivity. However, he has been pandering, and there is no way to avoid calling it like it is.
By the same token, Obama has been bouncing all over the place doing the same “Swing Vote Shuffle” and for the same reason: VOTES.
gandalf: I would also caution you on the hopes that Obama will win and surround himself with a gifted team. Did Dubya? Did Clinton? You have a high regard for him, but sometimes it seems to veer into wishful thinking. I don’t think he is dumb when it comes to foreign policy, I think he is a dilettante, and that is a very dangerous thing to be in the world right now. I have a hard time imagining him holding his own against Putin, much along the lines of JFK being bullied by Nikita early in his presidency. This idea that he is a centrist, then a realist, now a conservative, fully illustrates that even a sycophant like Zakaria is having a hard following the bouncing ball.
July 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM #243439ParticipantJohn,
I have tremendous respect for McCain and what he went through during his captivity. However, he has been pandering, and there is no way to avoid calling it like it is.
By the same token, Obama has been bouncing all over the place doing the same “Swing Vote Shuffle” and for the same reason: VOTES.
gandalf: I would also caution you on the hopes that Obama will win and surround himself with a gifted team. Did Dubya? Did Clinton? You have a high regard for him, but sometimes it seems to veer into wishful thinking. I don’t think he is dumb when it comes to foreign policy, I think he is a dilettante, and that is a very dangerous thing to be in the world right now. I have a hard time imagining him holding his own against Putin, much along the lines of JFK being bullied by Nikita early in his presidency. This idea that he is a centrist, then a realist, now a conservative, fully illustrates that even a sycophant like Zakaria is having a hard following the bouncing ball.
July 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM #243448ParticipantJohn,
I have tremendous respect for McCain and what he went through during his captivity. However, he has been pandering, and there is no way to avoid calling it like it is.
By the same token, Obama has been bouncing all over the place doing the same “Swing Vote Shuffle” and for the same reason: VOTES.
gandalf: I would also caution you on the hopes that Obama will win and surround himself with a gifted team. Did Dubya? Did Clinton? You have a high regard for him, but sometimes it seems to veer into wishful thinking. I don’t think he is dumb when it comes to foreign policy, I think he is a dilettante, and that is a very dangerous thing to be in the world right now. I have a hard time imagining him holding his own against Putin, much along the lines of JFK being bullied by Nikita early in his presidency. This idea that he is a centrist, then a realist, now a conservative, fully illustrates that even a sycophant like Zakaria is having a hard following the bouncing ball.
July 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM #243503ParticipantJohn,
I have tremendous respect for McCain and what he went through during his captivity. However, he has been pandering, and there is no way to avoid calling it like it is.
By the same token, Obama has been bouncing all over the place doing the same “Swing Vote Shuffle” and for the same reason: VOTES.
gandalf: I would also caution you on the hopes that Obama will win and surround himself with a gifted team. Did Dubya? Did Clinton? You have a high regard for him, but sometimes it seems to veer into wishful thinking. I don’t think he is dumb when it comes to foreign policy, I think he is a dilettante, and that is a very dangerous thing to be in the world right now. I have a hard time imagining him holding his own against Putin, much along the lines of JFK being bullied by Nikita early in his presidency. This idea that he is a centrist, then a realist, now a conservative, fully illustrates that even a sycophant like Zakaria is having a hard following the bouncing ball.
July 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM #243509ParticipantJohn,
I have tremendous respect for McCain and what he went through during his captivity. However, he has been pandering, and there is no way to avoid calling it like it is.
By the same token, Obama has been bouncing all over the place doing the same “Swing Vote Shuffle” and for the same reason: VOTES.
gandalf: I would also caution you on the hopes that Obama will win and surround himself with a gifted team. Did Dubya? Did Clinton? You have a high regard for him, but sometimes it seems to veer into wishful thinking. I don’t think he is dumb when it comes to foreign policy, I think he is a dilettante, and that is a very dangerous thing to be in the world right now. I have a hard time imagining him holding his own against Putin, much along the lines of JFK being bullied by Nikita early in his presidency. This idea that he is a centrist, then a realist, now a conservative, fully illustrates that even a sycophant like Zakaria is having a hard following the bouncing ball.
July 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM #243302gandalf
ParticipantBTW, is anybody going to take a stab at rebutting the main point of the Newsweek article?
Obama’s foreign policy positions are more realist, pragmatic and conservative than the Bush/McCain positions, which are idealogical and interventionist.
Some of the responses actually discussed foreign policy…
July 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM #243444ParticipantBTW, is anybody going to take a stab at rebutting the main point of the Newsweek article?
Obama’s foreign policy positions are more realist, pragmatic and conservative than the Bush/McCain positions, which are idealogical and interventionist.
Some of the responses actually discussed foreign policy…
July 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM #243453ParticipantBTW, is anybody going to take a stab at rebutting the main point of the Newsweek article?
Obama’s foreign policy positions are more realist, pragmatic and conservative than the Bush/McCain positions, which are idealogical and interventionist.
Some of the responses actually discussed foreign policy…
July 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM #243508ParticipantBTW, is anybody going to take a stab at rebutting the main point of the Newsweek article?
Obama’s foreign policy positions are more realist, pragmatic and conservative than the Bush/McCain positions, which are idealogical and interventionist.
Some of the responses actually discussed foreign policy…
July 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM #243514ParticipantBTW, is anybody going to take a stab at rebutting the main point of the Newsweek article?
Obama’s foreign policy positions are more realist, pragmatic and conservative than the Bush/McCain positions, which are idealogical and interventionist.
Some of the responses actually discussed foreign policy…
July 20, 2008 at 12:34 PM #243306afx114
ParticipantI find it humorous that the McCain supporters are now attacking Obama’s speaking performance in front of groups of people. Typical move right out of the Rove playbook: take your opponents biggest strength and turn it into a perceived weakness.
So Obama is not the right man for the job because he misspoke of an event that happened almost 70 years ago? Really? As if McCain is some brilliant orator…
Tell me, which gaffe is more relevant to today’s geo-political climate: “Bomb that hit Pearl Harbor” or “bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran”
July 20, 2008 at 12:34 PM #243449ParticipantI find it humorous that the McCain supporters are now attacking Obama’s speaking performance in front of groups of people. Typical move right out of the Rove playbook: take your opponents biggest strength and turn it into a perceived weakness.
So Obama is not the right man for the job because he misspoke of an event that happened almost 70 years ago? Really? As if McCain is some brilliant orator…
Tell me, which gaffe is more relevant to today’s geo-political climate: “Bomb that hit Pearl Harbor” or “bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran”
July 20, 2008 at 12:34 PM #243458ParticipantI find it humorous that the McCain supporters are now attacking Obama’s speaking performance in front of groups of people. Typical move right out of the Rove playbook: take your opponents biggest strength and turn it into a perceived weakness.
So Obama is not the right man for the job because he misspoke of an event that happened almost 70 years ago? Really? As if McCain is some brilliant orator…
Tell me, which gaffe is more relevant to today’s geo-political climate: “Bomb that hit Pearl Harbor” or “bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran”
July 20, 2008 at 12:34 PM #243513ParticipantI find it humorous that the McCain supporters are now attacking Obama’s speaking performance in front of groups of people. Typical move right out of the Rove playbook: take your opponents biggest strength and turn it into a perceived weakness.
So Obama is not the right man for the job because he misspoke of an event that happened almost 70 years ago? Really? As if McCain is some brilliant orator…
Tell me, which gaffe is more relevant to today’s geo-political climate: “Bomb that hit Pearl Harbor” or “bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran”
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