OT: 2012 API came out few days ago

[scaredyclassic]

in a somewhat unrelated comment, it’s kind of amusing to me that one gets SAT results in 18 days (exactly) nowadays via computer.

somehow, it seems much less dramatic.

I enjoyed getting the envelope from the testing place, the thick confidentiality of it, the opening of the letter, the corporeality of the letter itself, its thick paper stock.

instead, now, we have a number flickering on a screen. I suppose the latter is more realistic of its actual longterm meaning…

[ocrenter]

API = great way for parents to figure out if they’ll fit in socioeconomically.

[an]

[quote=ocrenter]API = great way for parents to figure out if they’ll fit in socioeconomically.[/quote]
How so?

[NotCranky]

[quote=ocrenter]API = great way for parents to figure out if they’ll fit in socioeconomically.[/quote]

On the low end that’s a pretty safe general bet.
How do children with parents with bachelors degrees do against those with parents of higher education?
I don’t think there is a lot of difference. In at least some cases the kids of parents with 4 year degrees do better as a block, by district. Safe to presume net worth/incomes (socioeconomics) are higher with education?

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN][quote=ocrenter]API = great way for parents to figure out if they’ll fit in socioeconomically.[/quote]
How so?[/quote]

the correlation between socioeconomic standing of a community and the API of the schools within the community is almost a perfect match.

the rise of San Marcos High is the perfect example. Dramatic influx of upper middle income group from SEH and eastern Carlsbad reshaped the school.

the only exception to this rule is if a school is Asian dominated, it can achieve higher API even if it is lower on the socioeconomic scale.

such is the case of MMHS, from the census data, looks like there’s been some significant white flight of 5k in 92126 over the last 10 years, with all Asian replacements, result is higher API without the dramatic socioeconomic change seen with San Marcos.

[an]

[quote=ocrenter]the correlation between socioeconomic standing of a community and the API of the schools within the community is almost a perfect match.

the rise of San Marcos High is the perfect example. Dramatic influx of upper middle income group from SEH and eastern Carlsbad reshaped the school.

the only exception to this rule is if a school is Asian dominated, it can achieve higher API even if it is lower on the socioeconomic scale.

such is the case of MMHS, from the census data, looks like there’s been some significant white flight of 5k in 92126 over the last 10 years, with all Asian replacements, result is higher API without the dramatic socioeconomic change seen with San Marcos.[/quote]
I agree with your 1st statement. However, I’m not 100% sure about your exception assertion. We all can agree with MMHS have been on an upward trajectory in API score. However, I’m not sure if we can attribute it to the Asian. In 2002, here’s MMHS’s demographic:
African American (not of Hispanic origin) 7
American Indian or Alaska Native 0
Asian 18
Filipino 35
Hispanic or Latino 10
Pacific Islander 1
White (not of Hispanic origin) 29

Here is MMHS’s demographic in 2012:
Black or African American 7
American Indian or Alaska Native 0
Asian 19
Filipino 27
Hispanic or Latino 21
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander 1
White 17

The Asian demographic only increased by 1%. The Filipino demographic decreased by 8%. The White decreased by 12%, but the Hispanic INCREASED by 11%. So, if I read that right, the White demographic is actually being replaced by Hispanic instead of Asian. The big thing to noticed though is how well the Hispanic demographics in MMHS score in API compare to others. MMHS Hispanics score in the low 800s while TPHS are in the mid 700s and Del Norte HS is in the low 700s. In this past year, Hispanics in MMHS had a jump of 30 points.

So, although stereotypically speaking, higher API score is tied to socioeconomics. I’m sure there are many many exceptions to that stereotype. Another comparison that would challenge this stereo type is, why Point Loma HS and UCHS score below MMHS, yet, they’re both in much more expensive areas.

[an]

[quote=Blogstar]On the low end that’s a pretty safe general bet.
How do children with parents with bachelors degrees do against those with parents of higher education?
I don’t think there is a lot of difference. In at least some cases the kids of parents with 4 year degrees do better as a block, by district. Safe to presume net worth/incomes (socioeconomics) are higher with education?[/quote]
Totally agree about the low end general bet and the difference between kids with parents with BS/BA degrees vs graduate degrees.

However, I don’t think it’s safe to presume net worth/incomes are higher education. A PhD in history/liberal arts/english/etc. probably won’t make more than a BS in Computer Science/Computer Engineering.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=AN] Then there’s the coveted San Dieguito. SDUSD’s top 4 average out higher than SDUH 4 HS. What’s also funny is, MMHS, which is #6 in SDUSD scores better than 2 out of the 4 HS in SDUH.[/quote]

My theory is that opening up of Canyon Crest has resulted into lowering of APIs of all the other HS of SDUH. Now there might be a new dynamic where all the high scoring student body in SDUH could be herding themselves into Canyon Crest, thereby resulting to very high API for Canyon Crest; but lower API for TPHS.

To some extent this dynamic plays into SDUSD also. Because of Choice and seminar and so on, I see many motivated parents moving their kids into Scripps Ranch schools (and eventually buying here when they realize that dropping off kids every day is such a waste of time.) This results into higher API for Scripps Ranch and lower API for say Mira Mesa.

[an]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=AN] Then there’s the coveted San Dieguito. SDUSD’s top 4 average out higher than SDUH 4 HS. What’s also funny is, MMHS, which is #6 in SDUSD scores better than 2 out of the 4 HS in SDUH.[/quote]

My theory is that opening up of Canyon Crest has resulted into lowering of APIs of all the other HS of SDUH. Now there might be a new dynamic where all the high scoring student body in SDUH could be herding themselves into Canyon Crest, thereby resulting to very high API for Canyon Crest; but lower API for TPHS.

To some extent this dynamic plays into SDUSD also. Because of Choice and seminar and so on, I see many motivated parents moving their kids into Scripps Ranch schools (and eventually buying here when they realize that dropping off kids every day is such a waste of time.) This results into higher API for Scripps Ranch and lower API for say Mira Mesa.[/quote]I can’t speak for SDUH, but for MMHS vs SRHS, I would have to debunk that assumption. SRHS has always been scoring higher than MMHS as far back as I remember (well over a decade) and I’m a MMHS alumni. So, I wouldn’t attribute Choice and Seminar and so on to the reason why SRHS scores higher than MMHS. Also, SRHS have been open for many years now, so it shouldn’t change the gap. The gap is actually narrowing between MMHS and SRHS.

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]

However, I don’t think it’s safe to presume net worth/incomes are higher education. A PhD in history/liberal arts/english/etc. probably won’t make more than a BS in Computer Science/Computer Engineering.[/quote]

this validates the link flyer posted earlier

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]

So, although stereotypically speaking, higher API score is tied to socioeconomics. I’m sure there are many many exceptions to that stereotype. Another comparison that would challenge this stereo type is, why Point Loma HS and UCHS score below MMHS, yet, they’re both in much more expensive areas.[/quote]

certainly there’s going to be individual differences school to school. but I do think the Asian exception is a pretty set item.

as for Point Loma. in comparison to other areas with similar income level, homeownership rate is lower. which does allow more lower income families into the area, diluting the school API figure. Again, MM doesn’t fit because of the Asian exception.

[NotCranky]

[quote=AN][quote=Blogstar]On the low end that’s a pretty safe general bet.
How do children with parents with bachelors degrees do against those with parents of higher education?
I don’t think there is a lot of difference. In at least some cases the kids of parents with 4 year degrees do better as a block, by district. Safe to presume net worth/incomes (socioeconomics) are higher with education?[/quote]
Totally agree about the low end general bet and the difference between kids with parents with BS/BA degrees vs graduate degrees.

However, I don’t think it’s safe to presume net worth/incomes are higher education. A PhD in history/liberal arts/english/etc. probably won’t make more than a BS in Computer Science/Computer Engineering.[/quote]
That makes sense.

[cvmom]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]My theory is that opening up of Canyon Crest has resulted into lowering of APIs of all the other HS of SDUH. Now there might be a new dynamic where all the high scoring student body in SDUH could be herding themselves into Canyon Crest, thereby resulting to very high API for Canyon Crest; but lower API for TPHS.[/quote]

+1 on this

I saw first-hand how all the top CVMS students last year went to Canyon Crest instead of TPHS. TP is morphing into more of the jock school, while CCA is the academic school. All the super-hyper parents want their kids to get as many APs as possible, and at CCA you take 8 more classes over your high school career than you do at TPHS.

[an]

[quote=ocrenter]Again, MM doesn’t fit because of the Asian exception.[/quote]
But the Asian student population hasn’t increased over the last 10 years while the Hispanic student population has more than double. So MM doesn’t fit the Asian exception. If anything, there seems to be a Hispanic exception going on in MM.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=AN]

So, although stereotypically speaking, higher API score is tied to socioeconomics. I’m sure there are many many exceptions to that stereotype. Another comparison that would challenge this stereo type is, why Point Loma HS and UCHS score below MMHS, yet, they’re both in much more expensive areas.[/quote]

certainly there’s going to be individual differences school to school. but I do think the Asian exception is a pretty set item.

as for Point Loma. in comparison to other areas with similar income level, homeownership rate is lower. which does allow more lower income families into the area, diluting the school API figure. Again, MM doesn’t fit because of the Asian exception.[/quote]

I have another take on Pt Loma HS and its “feeder schools.” I agree that there are a LOT of rentals in (the northern area of) Pt Loma, Navy housing in the southeastern area as well as rentals nearly all over OB. Although “anecdotal,” I believe a good portion of the parents (of school-age children) living in private SFR’s in that attendance area are also low income as they (and their child[ren]) are living with parents. The reason I believe this is because nearly every homeowner (one or both) I know over there (except for one family) is over the age of 55 and several are over the age of 65. A homeowner’s “educational level and income” really has nothing to do with their net worth or anything else over there because most of these seniors didn’t pay more than $45K for their Pt Loma properties and many own them free and clear. The truth is that their “youngish Gen X” and “Gen Y” children have moved back home with their children (the homeowner[s] grandchildren) and are using their parent’s address for their children’s school attendance purposes. Neither the parents or their parents (the homeowner[s]) are necessarily college-educated or employed FT (or at all), thus the parents “boomeranging” back to their parent’s house … with kids. And many young parents living on their own in other parts of town are STILL using their parent’s address in Pt Loma (or other similarly-situated “home-turf” community) for school attendance purposes.

These practices have been very commonplace for many years, especially among young parents who can’t possibly provide for their children in the manner that they themselves were provided for while growing up.

It’s always been psychologically hard for many “native San Diegan parents” to leave a community like Pt Loma after HS and then try to rent and raise their own families in areas they can actually afford such as College area, Normal Heights or Oak Park.

The same could be said for many students in the LJHS attendance area.

The long-established areas of SD are VERY diverse and not “homogenous” as to education and income levels of resident owners. In other words, there are many thousands of homeowners of properties which are worth $1M+ (in coastal CA counties) who don’t even have a HS Diploma or GED. The majority of them are surviving spouses and children of the deceased homeowner who actually qualified to purchase the property at one time.

As a parent today, I wouldn’t get too wrapped up in the “educational levels” of adults within the households of my child’s classmates. Some of them can’t even speak English well or at all, but that doesn’t mean they can’t afford to live where they’re living or aren’t raising their children/grandchildren to be good students.

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