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March 2, 2015 at 8:58 PM #21428March 2, 2015 at 10:00 PM #783417
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ParticipantHmmm, I would like to sign, but I’m assuming you have to live within the city of San Diego.
In 4S Ranch we are surrounded by the city of San Diego on 3 sides, but technically we are outside the city limits. So, I don’t think I am technically eligible to sign.
I commute past the intersection of El Camino Real and Del Mar Heights on most days, so I am not too enthusiastic about the project. (Traffic!)
March 3, 2015 at 5:11 AM #783419flyer
ParticipantMany variables will, no doubt, effect the outcome if this is put to a vote. You can bet big bucks will definitely come into play, and the voting public at large, who have no real vested interest in the outcome, other than viewing it as a “new place to shop and eat,” could skew the results in an unexpected way.
Whichever way it goes, I’m all for putting One Paseo on the ballot, and letting “the people,” rather than the city council decide the fate of this project.
March 3, 2015 at 6:55 AM #783423livinincali
Participant[quote=flyer]Many variables will, no doubt, effect the outcome if this is put to a vote. You can bet big bucks will definitely come into play, and the voting public at large, who have no real vested interest in the outcome, other than viewing it as a “new place to shop and eat,” could skew the results in an unexpected way.
Whichever way it goes, I’m all for putting One Paseo on the ballot, and letting “the people,” rather than the city council decide the fate of this project.[/quote]
The big problem for the opponents is that they can probably collect the signatures but I don’t think they want it ending up on the San Diego City ballot. There’s a bunch of voters in Mira Mesa, Clairemont, Golden Hill, etc that really don’t care all that much about those perceived to be rich folk in CV’s problems. It’s not a CV ballot initiative it’s a City of San Diego initiative.
March 3, 2015 at 9:09 AM #783428an
Participant[quote=livinincali]The big problem for the opponents is that they can probably collect the signatures but I don’t think they want it ending up on the San Diego City ballot. There’s a bunch of voters in Mira Mesa, Clairemont, Golden Hill, etc that really don’t care all that much about those perceived to be rich folk in CV’s problems. It’s not a CV ballot initiative it’s a City of San Diego initiative.[/quote]I totally agree. Those other places are also much more dense and are getting denser. There are a lot of people who live in downtown and uptown who love density, so this in their eyes is probably a step in the right direction.
March 3, 2015 at 1:09 PM #783430afx114
Participant[quote=flyer]Whichever way it goes, I’m all for putting One Paseo on the ballot, and letting “the people,” rather than the city council decide the fate of this project.[/quote]
Why even have a City Council then?
March 3, 2015 at 1:47 PM #783431FlyerInHi
GuestJust for the entertainment value, I want to see a vote.
Carmel Valley, is center-right and generally pro business. But in this case, they are anti-business.
Last year, the City Council voted to protect the environment and property values in Barrio Logan. But Nassco/General Dynamics got the signatures, got a proposition on the ballot, and won. Citywide, voters were pro-business.
There are under 30,000 residents in Carmel Valley, so opponents have to look for signatures elsewhere.
We’ll see how this turns out…. but opponents may wish to save themselves the money and trouble. It could well turn out to be a resounding financial and psychological defeat.March 3, 2015 at 3:44 PM #783442ParticipantPer my original comment, I agree concerning the outcome FIH. I think it will be a very difficult fight for the opposition–but we may be surprised.
I can tell you from the friends we have in the area– the opponents of this project are very passionate about defeating it–probably more so than those of us who have rentals there and have adjusted to the fact that we can “live with it,” or others who prefer density, and yet others who don’t live there, but will frequent the facilities. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.
March 3, 2015 at 3:53 PM #783443GuestCarmel Valley ain’t Martha Vineyards, or Malibu, etc… Passion without financial resources is not that useful. Are the opponents ready to write checks to lawyers and political consultants?
March 3, 2015 at 5:31 PM #783448ParticipantSo true concerning MV and Malibu (we’ve actually considered moving to “The Bu”)–and agree both have residents with deep pockets. We’ll just have to wait and see how all of this plays out in “The Valley.”
March 3, 2015 at 6:54 PM #783449Balboa
ParticipantI heard on the news that Kilroy also plans to start signature gathering again…for a petition to keep the Charges in San Diego. I guess the idea is to create petition fatigue (which I certainly suffer from) and keep paid signature gatherers employed with something other than the One Paseo opposition. It’s clever, but also transparent and hilarious. [edited to add: Maybe Kilroy also has some Mission Valley or DT interests to protect?]
I commute from University Heights to the Kilroy-owned building next door to the One Paseo lot. I do this because Carmel Valley is expensive and bores the daylights out of me, and I don’t have kids but I do need my job. The consensus among workers in my building is One Paseo will be a big PITA. Most of them can’t afford to live in Carmel Valley and won’t be moving to apartments/condos next door to the office to shorten their commutes. Mostly, it’ll be construction and traffic for ages, and then traffic and a bunch of establishments none of us will frequent.
The culture clash at the Highlands’ Jimbo’s deli counter kills me every time, and underscores that the day-job people are interlopers — you’ve got people who bill their time for a living, and then you have people who literally have *all day* to decide which quinoa salad they want. (Jimbo’s need to get a number system or an order form or something, though. That’s on them.) I guess if One Paseo businesses and patrons could operate with something of a sense of urgency, that would be nice and save me from El Pollo Loco.
If I could take rail to work in 60 minutes or less I would do it and would have no objections to the development. Though I would miss all the birds.
March 27, 2015 at 4:31 PM #784238ParticipantHere’s the latest:
http://www.delmartimes.net/news/2015/mar/25/one-paseo-petitions/
It has been reported that, currently, over 40,000 people a year are moving to San Diego. If this trend continues, even to a far lesser degree, it would seem housing prices and availability are bound to be effected.
According to the articles I’ve read, many people are concerned that their kids may never be able to buy a home in San Diego–or even rent here–if they want to stay.
There’s only so much buildable land left to develop, and when it’s gone–it’s gone. On that basis, it will definitely be interesting to see how the last few possible projects like One Paseo play out over the next few years.
March 27, 2015 at 6:39 PM #784241joec
Participant[quote=flyer]Here’s the latest:
http://www.delmartimes.net/news/2015/mar/25/one-paseo-petitions/
It has been reported that, currently, over 40,000 people a year are moving to San Diego. If this trend continues, even to a far lesser degree, it would seem housing prices and availability are bound to be effected.
According to the articles I’ve read, many people are concerned that their kids may never be able to buy a home in San Diego–or even rent here–if they want to stay.
There’s only so much buildable land left to develop, and when it’s gone–it’s gone. On that basis, it will definitely be interesting to see how the last few possible projects like One Paseo play out over the next few years.[/quote]
Laugh, I’d say it’s already been happening for the past 10-15 years already. I’d say nearly EVERYONE I know has had family help in purchasing their home…Of course, these homes are all 700k – million plus. Maybe they don’t want their grandkids to live in da “poar” neighborhoods, but I’m amazed so many people has had help.
flyer, could your kids afford a place now without help? It sounds like they have good jobs and good connections, but saving for the down payment takes a bit of time.
March 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM #784242ParticipantYes, it has been happening for a long time, joe, but the topic seems to be getting “hotter” as the county gets closer to buildout–at least I’m reading about it more and more.
To answer your question as far as our kids go. We planned for this a long time ago. As the signs started to appear that real estate in San Diego was “heating up,” we started investing in property for them years ago, because we had a feeling things were going to explode. I realize this may not have been possible for everyone, but it made sense for us.
Of course, they haven’t necessarily stayed in the homes we originally invested in for them, but it has given them a launching pad as far as real estate is concerned to buy other homes, etc., and no one (us or them) has had to take on excessive debt or bleed retirement funds for housing.
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