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June 14, 2007 at 9:35 PM #9306June 14, 2007 at 9:43 PM #59464
no_such_reality
ParticipantThe problem isn’t a soft market.
The problem isn’t a shady broker.
The problem isn’t a bad loan.
The problem is the buyer took a loan that they could not afford the payment on once the teaser rate ran out.
That is the root of the problem.
June 14, 2007 at 9:43 PM #59495no_such_reality
ParticipantThe problem isn’t a soft market.
The problem isn’t a shady broker.
The problem isn’t a bad loan.
The problem is the buyer took a loan that they could not afford the payment on once the teaser rate ran out.
That is the root of the problem.
June 14, 2007 at 9:45 PM #59466drunkle
Participantthere’s nothing to see here. there’s no problem in real estate. move along. move along. move along.
June 14, 2007 at 9:45 PM #59497drunkle
Participantthere’s nothing to see here. there’s no problem in real estate. move along. move along. move along.
June 14, 2007 at 10:07 PM #59470temeculaguy
Participant“These are not the droids you are you looking for”
June 14, 2007 at 10:07 PM #59501temeculaguy
Participant“These are not the droids you are you looking for”
June 14, 2007 at 11:21 PM #59486NotCranky
ParticipantA related story:
A friend of mine told me at a party last week that his loan resets in July and he will be in big trouble. He called me this morning his bank had called him to ask if he was ready for the reset. He has never missed a payment no lates nothing at all. He told them his current payment was a big struggle and the reset was going to kill him. They told him someone would call in three days to work it out, at less that his current payment! The lender was Chase.June 14, 2007 at 11:21 PM #59517NotCranky
ParticipantA related story:
A friend of mine told me at a party last week that his loan resets in July and he will be in big trouble. He called me this morning his bank had called him to ask if he was ready for the reset. He has never missed a payment no lates nothing at all. He told them his current payment was a big struggle and the reset was going to kill him. They told him someone would call in three days to work it out, at less that his current payment! The lender was Chase.June 14, 2007 at 11:24 PM #59488Anonymous
GuestSounds like your friend got very lucky — unless there’s the Mother Of All Balloon Payments lurking — or there is some title shenanigans.
Maybe Chase is on the hook for some mortgage insurance they wrote on some massively levered CDO’s, and they’re trying to screw the hedgies who correctly saw the terminal implosion?
And your friend is lucky enough to have a bond in the CDO basket.
June 14, 2007 at 11:24 PM #59519Anonymous
GuestSounds like your friend got very lucky — unless there’s the Mother Of All Balloon Payments lurking — or there is some title shenanigans.
Maybe Chase is on the hook for some mortgage insurance they wrote on some massively levered CDO’s, and they’re trying to screw the hedgies who correctly saw the terminal implosion?
And your friend is lucky enough to have a bond in the CDO basket.
June 14, 2007 at 11:47 PM #59494patientrenter
ParticipantRustico,
I know 1992-1997 saw a lot of mortgage defaults and forced sales, but my suspicion is that this time around the efforts that will be made by banks, investors, state and federal agencies to save homeowners will be very different and much bigger. If the downward wave is too big, it may overwhelm them all, but I wouldn’t call a rout a sure bet quite yet.
Patient renter in OC
June 14, 2007 at 11:47 PM #59525patientrenter
ParticipantRustico,
I know 1992-1997 saw a lot of mortgage defaults and forced sales, but my suspicion is that this time around the efforts that will be made by banks, investors, state and federal agencies to save homeowners will be very different and much bigger. If the downward wave is too big, it may overwhelm them all, but I wouldn’t call a rout a sure bet quite yet.
Patient renter in OC
June 15, 2007 at 12:18 AM #59498NotCranky
ParticipantPatient: There are a good number of REO’s out there already as I am sure you are aware.The current NOD’s will probably add significantly to those numbers. The other day Perry made a thread that had a quote from an Reo guy telling how desperate they were to try not to drive down comps with these houses. Sooner or later they are going to have to let them go at a faster pace. My guess is they are doing all the damage control possible behind the scenes first.I was alive and well in the last bust and have made the mistake of thinking things are going to follow the same script,there were bargains by now. There aren’t anything like comparable bargains yet that’s for sure. I bought a house in 91′ for 38% less than the previous owner did and it rented for almost twice my mortgage after 10k materials and appliances and some DIY repairs.
June 15, 2007 at 12:18 AM #59529NotCranky
ParticipantPatient: There are a good number of REO’s out there already as I am sure you are aware.The current NOD’s will probably add significantly to those numbers. The other day Perry made a thread that had a quote from an Reo guy telling how desperate they were to try not to drive down comps with these houses. Sooner or later they are going to have to let them go at a faster pace. My guess is they are doing all the damage control possible behind the scenes first.I was alive and well in the last bust and have made the mistake of thinking things are going to follow the same script,there were bargains by now. There aren’t anything like comparable bargains yet that’s for sure. I bought a house in 91′ for 38% less than the previous owner did and it rented for almost twice my mortgage after 10k materials and appliances and some DIY repairs.
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