Off Topic: “Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up”

[SDEngineer]

[quote=jficquette]

Haven’t you ever watched Star Trek?? Come on. Get real (g)

Seriously, the evidence is all over the place and the best way to hide a secret is out in the open.

Have you notice how many UFO shows are on A&E, History Channel, Science Channel etc. How you noticed how often they run that movie Indepedence Day? The public is gradually being introduced to the idea of ET’s.

There is no point in the ET’s introducing themselves to the world at large. It would only make it more difficult to do whatever they are doing.

My father who is still alive had a top secret crytographic clearance at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery in the early, mid 60’s. One of his duties was to encrypt/decrypt sensitive cables.

I asked him about UFO’s a couple of years ago and he told me flat out that “quite a few pilots” were killed by UFO’s that they were chasing. He knew this because of the information in the cables. The next of kin were told that they died in training missions.

Have you wondered why we cancelled the last three Apollo missions? The offical story was lack of funds but I don’t buy that. My guess is that they found something there that had to be keep secret so they shut it down..

Have you ever wondered why now, all of a sudden, China, Russia, India and the US are all going back to the Moon? Why now and what for??

As far as hiding themselves from us they don’t do a very good job of it.

One last comment on radio communications. We have had the radio since 1902 when Marconi demonstrated the first transatlantic transmission.

This means that any radio waves from another civilization would have had to pass by in the last few decades when we would have heard it.

My guess is that local civilizations thousands of years ahead of us quit using radio so long ago that there is nothing for us to hear and the ones still using radio have not gotten here yet or have and the government has covered it up.

John[/quote]

I wasn’t implying that WE would hear their communications – any civilization with FTL travel (implied if they got here reasonably quickly) would presumably have long ago dumped radio like we dumped smoke signals and carrier pigeons.

But THEY would have to know WE are here – and the most likely method would be to detect OUR transmissions – which have covered a miniscule amount of area in the galaxy (about 0.0001% of the galaxy would have had a chance to hear us).

As for the rest – I don’t consider the evidence currently compelling. As I pointed out before, if they wanted to hide, they would have done a better job with their technology, to the point where there would be NO evidence. If they wanted us to know, there would be far more credible evidence – ditto if they didn’t care.

China is going to the moon for national pride (the same reason we did in the 60s). We’re going back there essentially as a staging ground and dry run for Mars missions in the future.

As to the cancelled moon missions in the 70s, considering that we were in the grip of stagflation at the time, and at the time there was little else for us to do there, lack of funds seems to me to be the most plausible explanation.

BTW, if the powers that be were trying to “prepare” humanity for aliens, Independence Day, Alien, and most of the rest of the movies out there aren’t exactly a very good way to do it. The vast majority of movies depict aliens as mauraders – hardly an image we’d want ingrained in the collective psyche if friendly contact was what we were interested in.

Again, bear in mind – I believe that the odds that other life forms exist out there are near certain. I believe that it is most probable that there are civilizations out there that are significantly ahead of us in terms of development. I just don’t think they’re aware of us. I think it would be FAR more obvious if we had drawn the attention of a significantly advanced civilization, and as I mentioned, I don’t buy AT ALL the idea that they would have bothered to contact or in any way reveal (even accidentally) their presence to a primitive (to them) government prior to a full revelation of their existance if they did decide to contact us. If they wanted to “prepare” us for first contact, a civilization that advanced could do so in ways that would NOT involve a government which wouldn’t be under their control.

[4plexowner]

Who was J. B. Rhine?
http://www.parapsych.org/members/jb_rhine.html

What conclusions can we draw about Rhine’s overall research program? By 1940, 33 experiments had accumulated, involving almost a million trials, with protocols which rigorously excluded possible sensory clues (e.g., by introducing distance and/or barriers between sender and receiver, or by employing precognition protocols (i.e., where the target has not yet been selected at the time subjects make their responses).

Twenty seven (27) of the 33 studies produced statistically significant results — an exceptional record, even today. Furthermore, positive results were not restricted to Rhine’s lab. In the five years following Rhine’s first publication of his results, 33 independent replication experiments were conducted at different laboratories. Twenty (20) of these (or 61%) were statistically significant (where 5% would be expected by chance alone).

A meta-analysis was done specifically for precognition experiments conducted between the years 1935 – 1987. (Honorton, C., & Ferrari, D. [1989]. Meta-analysis of forced-choice precognition experiments 1935 – 1987. Journal of Parapsychology, vol 53, 281 – 308). This included 309 studies, conducted by 62 experimenters. The cumulative probability associated with the overall results was p = 10-24 (that is equivalent to .000000000000000000000001 where .05 is considered statistically significant). The scientific evidence for precognition, the most provocative of all parapsychological phenomena, stands of firm statistical grounds.

[4plexowner]

Who was J. B. Rhine?
http://www.parapsych.org/members/jb_rhine.html

What conclusions can we draw about Rhine’s overall research program? By 1940, 33 experiments had accumulated, involving almost a million trials, with protocols which rigorously excluded possible sensory clues (e.g., by introducing distance and/or barriers between sender and receiver, or by employing precognition protocols (i.e., where the target has not yet been selected at the time subjects make their responses).

Twenty seven (27) of the 33 studies produced statistically significant results — an exceptional record, even today. Furthermore, positive results were not restricted to Rhine’s lab. In the five years following Rhine’s first publication of his results, 33 independent replication experiments were conducted at different laboratories. Twenty (20) of these (or 61%) were statistically significant (where 5% would be expected by chance alone).

A meta-analysis was done specifically for precognition experiments conducted between the years 1935 – 1987. (Honorton, C., & Ferrari, D. [1989]. Meta-analysis of forced-choice precognition experiments 1935 – 1987. Journal of Parapsychology, vol 53, 281 – 308). This included 309 studies, conducted by 62 experimenters. The cumulative probability associated with the overall results was p = 10-24 (that is equivalent to .000000000000000000000001 where .05 is considered statistically significant). The scientific evidence for precognition, the most provocative of all parapsychological phenomena, stands of firm statistical grounds.

[4plexowner]

Who was J. B. Rhine?
http://www.parapsych.org/members/jb_rhine.html

What conclusions can we draw about Rhine’s overall research program? By 1940, 33 experiments had accumulated, involving almost a million trials, with protocols which rigorously excluded possible sensory clues (e.g., by introducing distance and/or barriers between sender and receiver, or by employing precognition protocols (i.e., where the target has not yet been selected at the time subjects make their responses).

Twenty seven (27) of the 33 studies produced statistically significant results — an exceptional record, even today. Furthermore, positive results were not restricted to Rhine’s lab. In the five years following Rhine’s first publication of his results, 33 independent replication experiments were conducted at different laboratories. Twenty (20) of these (or 61%) were statistically significant (where 5% would be expected by chance alone).

A meta-analysis was done specifically for precognition experiments conducted between the years 1935 – 1987. (Honorton, C., & Ferrari, D. [1989]. Meta-analysis of forced-choice precognition experiments 1935 – 1987. Journal of Parapsychology, vol 53, 281 – 308). This included 309 studies, conducted by 62 experimenters. The cumulative probability associated with the overall results was p = 10-24 (that is equivalent to .000000000000000000000001 where .05 is considered statistically significant). The scientific evidence for precognition, the most provocative of all parapsychological phenomena, stands of firm statistical grounds.

[4plexowner]

Who was J. B. Rhine?
http://www.parapsych.org/members/jb_rhine.html

What conclusions can we draw about Rhine’s overall research program? By 1940, 33 experiments had accumulated, involving almost a million trials, with protocols which rigorously excluded possible sensory clues (e.g., by introducing distance and/or barriers between sender and receiver, or by employing precognition protocols (i.e., where the target has not yet been selected at the time subjects make their responses).

Twenty seven (27) of the 33 studies produced statistically significant results — an exceptional record, even today. Furthermore, positive results were not restricted to Rhine’s lab. In the five years following Rhine’s first publication of his results, 33 independent replication experiments were conducted at different laboratories. Twenty (20) of these (or 61%) were statistically significant (where 5% would be expected by chance alone).

A meta-analysis was done specifically for precognition experiments conducted between the years 1935 – 1987. (Honorton, C., & Ferrari, D. [1989]. Meta-analysis of forced-choice precognition experiments 1935 – 1987. Journal of Parapsychology, vol 53, 281 – 308). This included 309 studies, conducted by 62 experimenters. The cumulative probability associated with the overall results was p = 10-24 (that is equivalent to .000000000000000000000001 where .05 is considered statistically significant). The scientific evidence for precognition, the most provocative of all parapsychological phenomena, stands of firm statistical grounds.

[4plexowner]

Who was J. B. Rhine?
http://www.parapsych.org/members/jb_rhine.html

What conclusions can we draw about Rhine’s overall research program? By 1940, 33 experiments had accumulated, involving almost a million trials, with protocols which rigorously excluded possible sensory clues (e.g., by introducing distance and/or barriers between sender and receiver, or by employing precognition protocols (i.e., where the target has not yet been selected at the time subjects make their responses).

Twenty seven (27) of the 33 studies produced statistically significant results — an exceptional record, even today. Furthermore, positive results were not restricted to Rhine’s lab. In the five years following Rhine’s first publication of his results, 33 independent replication experiments were conducted at different laboratories. Twenty (20) of these (or 61%) were statistically significant (where 5% would be expected by chance alone).

A meta-analysis was done specifically for precognition experiments conducted between the years 1935 – 1987. (Honorton, C., & Ferrari, D. [1989]. Meta-analysis of forced-choice precognition experiments 1935 – 1987. Journal of Parapsychology, vol 53, 281 – 308). This included 309 studies, conducted by 62 experimenters. The cumulative probability associated with the overall results was p = 10-24 (that is equivalent to .000000000000000000000001 where .05 is considered statistically significant). The scientific evidence for precognition, the most provocative of all parapsychological phenomena, stands of firm statistical grounds.

[jficquette]

I think the mostly likely way they found us is the way we are finding exosolar planets now.

We are putting a new telescope at Lagrange Point and turned away from the sun with a shield that will be able to find Earth sized planets. Within about 10 years we will be able to determine if they have an atmosphere and what it is made of.

My guess is their telescopes or sensors saw our Blue Planet hanging in space, sensed the size, mass, atmosphere and came to check it out.

Actually, a race only 200 years ahead of us could teach us a lot if they were so inclined.

John

[jficquette]

I think the mostly likely way they found us is the way we are finding exosolar planets now.

We are putting a new telescope at Lagrange Point and turned away from the sun with a shield that will be able to find Earth sized planets. Within about 10 years we will be able to determine if they have an atmosphere and what it is made of.

My guess is their telescopes or sensors saw our Blue Planet hanging in space, sensed the size, mass, atmosphere and came to check it out.

Actually, a race only 200 years ahead of us could teach us a lot if they were so inclined.

John

[jficquette]

I think the mostly likely way they found us is the way we are finding exosolar planets now.

We are putting a new telescope at Lagrange Point and turned away from the sun with a shield that will be able to find Earth sized planets. Within about 10 years we will be able to determine if they have an atmosphere and what it is made of.

My guess is their telescopes or sensors saw our Blue Planet hanging in space, sensed the size, mass, atmosphere and came to check it out.

Actually, a race only 200 years ahead of us could teach us a lot if they were so inclined.

John

[jficquette]

I think the mostly likely way they found us is the way we are finding exosolar planets now.

We are putting a new telescope at Lagrange Point and turned away from the sun with a shield that will be able to find Earth sized planets. Within about 10 years we will be able to determine if they have an atmosphere and what it is made of.

My guess is their telescopes or sensors saw our Blue Planet hanging in space, sensed the size, mass, atmosphere and came to check it out.

Actually, a race only 200 years ahead of us could teach us a lot if they were so inclined.

John

[jficquette]

I think the mostly likely way they found us is the way we are finding exosolar planets now.

We are putting a new telescope at Lagrange Point and turned away from the sun with a shield that will be able to find Earth sized planets. Within about 10 years we will be able to determine if they have an atmosphere and what it is made of.

My guess is their telescopes or sensors saw our Blue Planet hanging in space, sensed the size, mass, atmosphere and came to check it out.

Actually, a race only 200 years ahead of us could teach us a lot if they were so inclined.

John

[jficquette]

Hi SD,

Read this link for fun. See what you think.
http://www.militaryremoteviewers.com/cia_remote_viewing_sri.htm

John

[jficquette]

Hi SD,

Read this link for fun. See what you think.
http://www.militaryremoteviewers.com/cia_remote_viewing_sri.htm

John

[jficquette]

Hi SD,

Read this link for fun. See what you think.
http://www.militaryremoteviewers.com/cia_remote_viewing_sri.htm

John

[jficquette]

Hi SD,

Read this link for fun. See what you think.
http://www.militaryremoteviewers.com/cia_remote_viewing_sri.htm

John

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