ObamaCare…coming soon

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For every fact in that segment a fact can be found against it. Just one part of it regarded their “fact” that with socialized care medical technology would come to a stand still. France has socialized medicine, the Swiss have socialized medicine and they have discovered nothing since that all went in to effect?

http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/local_news/Medical-breakthrough-at-Utrecht-University_42449.html

http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=21407

Just because there s socialized medicine doesn’t mean we won’t have privately funded research.

Just because one guy says medical breakthroughs would stop because of socialized medicine doesn’t make it a fact. It is an opinion/fact based on biased researh and when those are presented as facts thats not an argument its ridiculous and fear monegering. That pieces intent was not an opinion argument it was presented as facts.

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inno

Well at least you’re arguing the facts now.

Unfortunately you are still stuck into the “bias” game, where you think it’s biased research because they’re “conservative”. You really need to evolve your argument higher than that. Unless you have some real evidence of that research being skewed, you can’t make an assertion like that. Using your example, in court, if you made that assertion, they would ask for your proof or make you withdraw that statement.

As for the statement that the piece makes – that medical innovations would stop – Stossel and others make the statement, but he also shows you the facts and the examples. That is how to present and backup an argument effectively.

It’s just too bad you’re so caught up in the “conservative bad” or “liberal bad”.

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inno

Well at least you’re arguing the facts now.

Unfortunately you are still stuck into the “bias” game, where you think it’s biased research because they’re “conservative”. You really need to evolve your argument higher than that. Unless you have some real evidence of that research being skewed, you can’t make an assertion like that. Using your example, in court, if you made that assertion, they would ask for your proof or make you withdraw that statement.

As for the statement that the piece makes – that medical innovations would stop – Stossel and others make the statement, but he also shows you the facts and the examples. That is how to present and backup an argument effectively.

It’s just too bad you’re so caught up in the “conservative bad” or “liberal bad”.

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inno

Well at least you’re arguing the facts now.

Unfortunately you are still stuck into the “bias” game, where you think it’s biased research because they’re “conservative”. You really need to evolve your argument higher than that. Unless you have some real evidence of that research being skewed, you can’t make an assertion like that. Using your example, in court, if you made that assertion, they would ask for your proof or make you withdraw that statement.

As for the statement that the piece makes – that medical innovations would stop – Stossel and others make the statement, but he also shows you the facts and the examples. That is how to present and backup an argument effectively.

It’s just too bad you’re so caught up in the “conservative bad” or “liberal bad”.

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inno

Well at least you’re arguing the facts now.

Unfortunately you are still stuck into the “bias” game, where you think it’s biased research because they’re “conservative”. You really need to evolve your argument higher than that. Unless you have some real evidence of that research being skewed, you can’t make an assertion like that. Using your example, in court, if you made that assertion, they would ask for your proof or make you withdraw that statement.

As for the statement that the piece makes – that medical innovations would stop – Stossel and others make the statement, but he also shows you the facts and the examples. That is how to present and backup an argument effectively.

It’s just too bad you’re so caught up in the “conservative bad” or “liberal bad”.

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inno

Well at least you’re arguing the facts now.

Unfortunately you are still stuck into the “bias” game, where you think it’s biased research because they’re “conservative”. You really need to evolve your argument higher than that. Unless you have some real evidence of that research being skewed, you can’t make an assertion like that. Using your example, in court, if you made that assertion, they would ask for your proof or make you withdraw that statement.

As for the statement that the piece makes – that medical innovations would stop – Stossel and others make the statement, but he also shows you the facts and the examples. That is how to present and backup an argument effectively.

It’s just too bad you’re so caught up in the “conservative bad” or “liberal bad”.

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For every fact in that segment a fact can be found against it. Just one part of it regarded their “fact” that with socialized care medical technology would come to a stand still. France has socialized medicine, the Swiss have socialized medicine and they have discovered nothing since that all went in to effect?

Just because there s socialized medicine doesn’t mean we won’t have privately funded research.

http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/local_news/Medical-breakthrough-at-Utrecht-University_42449.html

http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=21407

Also, Canada does not have socialized dental care that is a fact.

Also a fact millions of Canadians and British love their system http://www.healthcare-now.org/new-poll-shows-canadians-overwhelmingly-support-public-health-care/

not just the two or three shown by Stossel that is a fact. Even the British Conservative Party is sick of the attacks.

http://www.usw.org/media_center/news_articles?id=0367

Gratzer says “People line up for care. Some of them die. That’s what happens”. This does not happen in the US? With our current system no one forgoes treatment due to cost or unavailability of services? will you really argue that?

There was the woman who came to America for a blocked artery. How about this Canadian who blogged about their entire open heart surgery journey from the diagnosis to the actual surgery. Didn’t sound like an enjoyable experience, but it wasn’t because they were Canadian.

Based from wikipedia 15 people died while waiting for heart surgery in canada last year. Sounds bad. Well 20,000 die every year in America from lack of insurance. You think maybe 15 of them had heart problems?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundamerica/view/

Based on this piece Canada is also leading the way in heart valve replacement surgery

news-medical dot net /news/2007/10/22/31476.aspx

Also, due to rising cost more and more Americans are going overseas for care to places like India and heart surgery is one of the biggest ones as people with preexisting conditions have been booted off their insurance and now that have to pay out of pocket. What does that say for our system when people would rather go to a third world country for treatment than our own US system.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2587670&page=1

Sadly, Stossel never talked about lowering cost I only heard him say that profit based medicine is a good thing.

Why do we pay more than England for prescriptions? Are they getting a substandard medicine?

Another fact. The US will not be have socialized medicine. Democrats just want a public option. Opponents say that employers will drop their workers causing an evenual socialized society. You think that if this happens at alarming speed that perhaps Insurance companies might drop their premiums a bit?

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For every fact in that segment a fact can be found against it. Just one part of it regarded their “fact” that with socialized care medical technology would come to a stand still. France has socialized medicine, the Swiss have socialized medicine and they have discovered nothing since that all went in to effect?

Just because there s socialized medicine doesn’t mean we won’t have privately funded research.

http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/local_news/Medical-breakthrough-at-Utrecht-University_42449.html

http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=21407

Also, Canada does not have socialized dental care that is a fact.

Also a fact millions of Canadians and British love their system http://www.healthcare-now.org/new-poll-shows-canadians-overwhelmingly-support-public-health-care/

not just the two or three shown by Stossel that is a fact. Even the British Conservative Party is sick of the attacks.

http://www.usw.org/media_center/news_articles?id=0367

Gratzer says “People line up for care. Some of them die. That’s what happens”. This does not happen in the US? With our current system no one forgoes treatment due to cost or unavailability of services? will you really argue that?

There was the woman who came to America for a blocked artery. How about this Canadian who blogged about their entire open heart surgery journey from the diagnosis to the actual surgery. Didn’t sound like an enjoyable experience, but it wasn’t because they were Canadian.

Based from wikipedia 15 people died while waiting for heart surgery in canada last year. Sounds bad. Well 20,000 die every year in America from lack of insurance. You think maybe 15 of them had heart problems?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundamerica/view/

Based on this piece Canada is also leading the way in heart valve replacement surgery

news-medical dot net /news/2007/10/22/31476.aspx

Also, due to rising cost more and more Americans are going overseas for care to places like India and heart surgery is one of the biggest ones as people with preexisting conditions have been booted off their insurance and now that have to pay out of pocket. What does that say for our system when people would rather go to a third world country for treatment than our own US system.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2587670&page=1

Sadly, Stossel never talked about lowering cost I only heard him say that profit based medicine is a good thing.

Why do we pay more than England for prescriptions? Are they getting a substandard medicine?

Another fact. The US will not be have socialized medicine. Democrats just want a public option. Opponents say that employers will drop their workers causing an evenual socialized society. You think that if this happens at alarming speed that perhaps Insurance companies might drop their premiums a bit?

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For every fact in that segment a fact can be found against it. Just one part of it regarded their “fact” that with socialized care medical technology would come to a stand still. France has socialized medicine, the Swiss have socialized medicine and they have discovered nothing since that all went in to effect?

Just because there s socialized medicine doesn’t mean we won’t have privately funded research.

http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/local_news/Medical-breakthrough-at-Utrecht-University_42449.html

http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=21407

Also, Canada does not have socialized dental care that is a fact.

Also a fact millions of Canadians and British love their system http://www.healthcare-now.org/new-poll-shows-canadians-overwhelmingly-support-public-health-care/

not just the two or three shown by Stossel that is a fact. Even the British Conservative Party is sick of the attacks.

http://www.usw.org/media_center/news_articles?id=0367

Gratzer says “People line up for care. Some of them die. That’s what happens”. This does not happen in the US? With our current system no one forgoes treatment due to cost or unavailability of services? will you really argue that?

There was the woman who came to America for a blocked artery. How about this Canadian who blogged about their entire open heart surgery journey from the diagnosis to the actual surgery. Didn’t sound like an enjoyable experience, but it wasn’t because they were Canadian.

Based from wikipedia 15 people died while waiting for heart surgery in canada last year. Sounds bad. Well 20,000 die every year in America from lack of insurance. You think maybe 15 of them had heart problems?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundamerica/view/

Based on this piece Canada is also leading the way in heart valve replacement surgery

news-medical dot net /news/2007/10/22/31476.aspx

Also, due to rising cost more and more Americans are going overseas for care to places like India and heart surgery is one of the biggest ones as people with preexisting conditions have been booted off their insurance and now that have to pay out of pocket. What does that say for our system when people would rather go to a third world country for treatment than our own US system.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2587670&page=1

Sadly, Stossel never talked about lowering cost I only heard him say that profit based medicine is a good thing.

Why do we pay more than England for prescriptions? Are they getting a substandard medicine?

Another fact. The US will not be have socialized medicine. Democrats just want a public option. Opponents say that employers will drop their workers causing an evenual socialized society. You think that if this happens at alarming speed that perhaps Insurance companies might drop their premiums a bit?

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For every fact in that segment a fact can be found against it. Just one part of it regarded their “fact” that with socialized care medical technology would come to a stand still. France has socialized medicine, the Swiss have socialized medicine and they have discovered nothing since that all went in to effect?

Just because there s socialized medicine doesn’t mean we won’t have privately funded research.

http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/local_news/Medical-breakthrough-at-Utrecht-University_42449.html

http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=21407

Also, Canada does not have socialized dental care that is a fact.

Also a fact millions of Canadians and British love their system http://www.healthcare-now.org/new-poll-shows-canadians-overwhelmingly-support-public-health-care/

not just the two or three shown by Stossel that is a fact. Even the British Conservative Party is sick of the attacks.

http://www.usw.org/media_center/news_articles?id=0367

Gratzer says “People line up for care. Some of them die. That’s what happens”. This does not happen in the US? With our current system no one forgoes treatment due to cost or unavailability of services? will you really argue that?

There was the woman who came to America for a blocked artery. How about this Canadian who blogged about their entire open heart surgery journey from the diagnosis to the actual surgery. Didn’t sound like an enjoyable experience, but it wasn’t because they were Canadian.

Based from wikipedia 15 people died while waiting for heart surgery in canada last year. Sounds bad. Well 20,000 die every year in America from lack of insurance. You think maybe 15 of them had heart problems?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundamerica/view/

Based on this piece Canada is also leading the way in heart valve replacement surgery

news-medical dot net /news/2007/10/22/31476.aspx

Also, due to rising cost more and more Americans are going overseas for care to places like India and heart surgery is one of the biggest ones as people with preexisting conditions have been booted off their insurance and now that have to pay out of pocket. What does that say for our system when people would rather go to a third world country for treatment than our own US system.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2587670&page=1

Sadly, Stossel never talked about lowering cost I only heard him say that profit based medicine is a good thing.

Why do we pay more than England for prescriptions? Are they getting a substandard medicine?

Another fact. The US will not be have socialized medicine. Democrats just want a public option. Opponents say that employers will drop their workers causing an evenual socialized society. You think that if this happens at alarming speed that perhaps Insurance companies might drop their premiums a bit?

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For every fact in that segment a fact can be found against it. Just one part of it regarded their “fact” that with socialized care medical technology would come to a stand still. France has socialized medicine, the Swiss have socialized medicine and they have discovered nothing since that all went in to effect?

Just because there s socialized medicine doesn’t mean we won’t have privately funded research.

http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/local_news/Medical-breakthrough-at-Utrecht-University_42449.html

http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=21407

Also, Canada does not have socialized dental care that is a fact.

Also a fact millions of Canadians and British love their system http://www.healthcare-now.org/new-poll-shows-canadians-overwhelmingly-support-public-health-care/

not just the two or three shown by Stossel that is a fact. Even the British Conservative Party is sick of the attacks.

http://www.usw.org/media_center/news_articles?id=0367

Gratzer says “People line up for care. Some of them die. That’s what happens”. This does not happen in the US? With our current system no one forgoes treatment due to cost or unavailability of services? will you really argue that?

There was the woman who came to America for a blocked artery. How about this Canadian who blogged about their entire open heart surgery journey from the diagnosis to the actual surgery. Didn’t sound like an enjoyable experience, but it wasn’t because they were Canadian.

Based from wikipedia 15 people died while waiting for heart surgery in canada last year. Sounds bad. Well 20,000 die every year in America from lack of insurance. You think maybe 15 of them had heart problems?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundamerica/view/

Based on this piece Canada is also leading the way in heart valve replacement surgery

news-medical dot net /news/2007/10/22/31476.aspx

Also, due to rising cost more and more Americans are going overseas for care to places like India and heart surgery is one of the biggest ones as people with preexisting conditions have been booted off their insurance and now that have to pay out of pocket. What does that say for our system when people would rather go to a third world country for treatment than our own US system.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2587670&page=1

Sadly, Stossel never talked about lowering cost I only heard him say that profit based medicine is a good thing.

Why do we pay more than England for prescriptions? Are they getting a substandard medicine?

Another fact. The US will not be have socialized medicine. Democrats just want a public option. Opponents say that employers will drop their workers causing an evenual socialized society. You think that if this happens at alarming speed that perhaps Insurance companies might drop their premiums a bit?

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Conservatives are not bad. Many of the people who have hijacked it are bad to me based on:

Mixing religion with policy.
Using prejudices against homosexuality as a political platform.
Having an uberhawkish foreign policy.
Turning a blind eye to their own spending

These are facts and when they can get their ideals realigned I would be very happy to rethink my opinions of them.

Liberals are bad on:
Many want an open border with Mexico.
Tax the hell out of Corporations.
Impose to many restrictions and laws.
Are quite aware of their own spending.

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Conservatives are not bad. Many of the people who have hijacked it are bad to me based on:

Mixing religion with policy.
Using prejudices against homosexuality as a political platform.
Having an uberhawkish foreign policy.
Turning a blind eye to their own spending

These are facts and when they can get their ideals realigned I would be very happy to rethink my opinions of them.

Liberals are bad on:
Many want an open border with Mexico.
Tax the hell out of Corporations.
Impose to many restrictions and laws.
Are quite aware of their own spending.

[sdgrrl]

Conservatives are not bad. Many of the people who have hijacked it are bad to me based on:

Mixing religion with policy.
Using prejudices against homosexuality as a political platform.
Having an uberhawkish foreign policy.
Turning a blind eye to their own spending

These are facts and when they can get their ideals realigned I would be very happy to rethink my opinions of them.

Liberals are bad on:
Many want an open border with Mexico.
Tax the hell out of Corporations.
Impose to many restrictions and laws.
Are quite aware of their own spending.

[sdgrrl]

Conservatives are not bad. Many of the people who have hijacked it are bad to me based on:

Mixing religion with policy.
Using prejudices against homosexuality as a political platform.
Having an uberhawkish foreign policy.
Turning a blind eye to their own spending

These are facts and when they can get their ideals realigned I would be very happy to rethink my opinions of them.

Liberals are bad on:
Many want an open border with Mexico.
Tax the hell out of Corporations.
Impose to many restrictions and laws.
Are quite aware of their own spending.

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